# Instant Jerk trouble **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 12, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715 "2011-06-12T12:53:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/1 "2011-06-12T12:53:31Z")
OK, I’ve tried IJ together with 30 mcg of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) a few times in casual daytime and it’s been great. Quite amusing to go to a coffee shop and see women switch tables to move up closer. However it wasn’t all fun and games when I wore it on a night out last weekend. Right off the bat a biker picked a fight as soon as I entered the club. First he cracked a joke and I responded with some funny remark which he obviously found offensive. The bartenders and waitresses gave me looks that let me know he indeed was the asshole and not me, but I tried to smooth things over. After all, I hadn’t seen the patch on his vest and it would really suck to see that famous winged skull when he turns around to grab something to crack your skull open with. He calmed down somewhat but then my idiot friend showed up and he’s crazy enough to say anything to anyone so he refreshed the recently resolved argument and I was counting in my mind how many members an average MC club could contain when the bouncer showed up. He kindly asked if I and my friend could move to the bar at the other side of the building, which I thought was a brilliant idea. So we did, but at this point I was in such a bad mood that I was calling every guy I didn’t personally know a cocksucker, which really isn’t my usual behaviour. Nobody wanted to dance, which is good because I would’ve easily had my drunken ass handed to me. On the positive note the collective female staff thought I was hot shit, so it’ll be fun to go there again. Intended to go there last night but got out after closing time for that particular place. I used a more social mix this time to avoid chaos and had fun at the other club where I wound up. I think I’ll be careful with the IJ when I drink from now on. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/2 "2011-06-12T14:07:27Z")
IJ is high anone so this is not unusual. Like I have said countless times. The IJ guy is amusing to look at but I wouldnt want one of my own. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/3 "2011-06-12T15:40:17Z")
I’ve had some similar experiences with IJ, nothing quite as extreme as what you describe but alcohol can amplify the peoples reactions to mones since they’re inhibitions are pretty low. IJ can be very sexy and sexual to a lot of women. With men it depends on the man…some guys will respond well, like they can tell you’re a “man’s man”, and probably cool enough to hang and share a drink with…others will feel threatened and go into a fight or flight sort of response. Which they choose will depend on if their other senses tell them what the chances are of them winning. For going out I buffer Jerk with multiple sprays of IO and Shine. This helps put a positive spin and an element of fun to the mix. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/4 "2011-06-12T16:17:58Z")
This is what kinda puts me off IJ - I’ve had great success wearing it, esp in conjunction with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), A314 or P79 but that has always been alongside a good bit of grief from randoms. And IME, the situations where IJ works best - bars, clubs etc are the places where you are most likeley to run-into assholes looking for any excuse to start. Next time I take IJ for a spin I’ll try it with P114 - maybe the pleasant/pay attention to me vibe of P114 will moderate it somewhat? ---
**Author:** ![Fade1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fade1/32/1949_2.png) [@Fade1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fade1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/5 "2011-06-12T16:24:13Z")
Try using half a spray of IJ instead of TUTH next time you’re about to hit the bedroom. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/6 "2011-06-12T17:14:39Z")
IJ should be fine at a house party where you know most of the guys but it’s too risky for public places when drinking. Gotta pick the occasions carefully. In daytime I’ve only had positive effects. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/7 "2011-06-12T20:01:53Z")
How many sprays of IJ are you wearing, M? Sounds like ALCOHOL, YOU and IJ DOESN’T MIX WELL. 😃 > [@Fade1](#): > > **Try using half a spray of IJ instead of TUTH next time you’re about to hit the bedroom.** 😉 So, are you gonna just jump in here, and pull this out of your pocket without sharing the reason behind it, Fadeee? 😠 😃 And you are talking about hitting the bedroom **WITH SOMEONE** , aren’t you!? 😃 'Cause if you’re talking solo, you could injure and/or break something! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/8 "2011-06-12T21:18:46Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > How many sprays of IJ are you wearing, M? > > Sounds like ALCOHOL, YOU and IJ DOESN’T MIX WELL. 😃 > > So, are you gonna just jump in here, and pull this out of your pocket without sharing the reason behind it, Fadeee? 😠 😃 > > And you are talking about hitting the bedroom **WITH SOMEONE** , aren’t you!? 😃 'Cause if you’re talking solo, you could injure and/or break something! 😃 I _think_ I wore two sprays. Maybe just one, but absolutely no more than two. Alcohol and I go well together about 95% of the times. Once in a while I’m a bad drunk but mostly I’m likable it would seem. Alcohol, me and IJ most certainly do not mix well, that is correct. Will use it sober and also try it when drinking in a safe environment. I caused no aggression in guys I know and didn’t insult or threaten them neither. ---
**Author:** ![Fade1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fade1/32/1949_2.png) [@Fade1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fade1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/9 "2011-06-12T21:41:33Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > So, are you gonna just jump in here, and pull this out of your pocket without sharing the reason behind it, Fadeee? 😠 😃 Too rude for public forums, more details hidden in journal (: Basically if TUTH invokes a hot, loving, sticky, sensual feeling - IJ is definitely a more degrading, rough, dirty result. Probably has something to bring out fantasies, or some sort of disinhibitor in there somewhere. Great for exposing kinks. Might be best used in a long term relationship rather than a pickup. Could also use with IH now i think about it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/10 "2011-06-12T23:56:05Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > How many sprays of IJ are you wearing, M? > > Sounds like ALCOHOL, YOU and IJ DOESN’T MIX WELL. 😃 Well, I’ve done 1-3 sprays and got most of the grief at 1/2. By the time I get to 3 I’m just being ghosted big-time. And I get on fine with alcohol but only drink when I want to. I may get the cocky/confident effects but I’ve started nothing. Its all been them. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/11 "2011-06-13T00:07:34Z")
> [@Fade1](#): > > Too rude for public forums, more details hidden in journal (: > Basically if TUTH invokes a hot, loving, sticky, sensual feeling - IJ is definitely a more degrading, rough, dirty result. > > Probably has something to bring out fantasies, or some sort of disinhibitor in there somewhere. Great for exposing kinks. > Might be best used in a long term relationship rather than a pickup. Could also use with IH now i think about it. I hear’ya, Mob. Peeped into your Journal, Fade … IJ giving you submissive happenings from your girl MAY be GIRL SPECIFIC. Meaning ONLY your girl is submissive to IJ, IF you haven’t had that happen with others. Just a thought. IJ COULD make some girls bark like a frog, and others moo like a chicken, depending on what type of character they have hidden deep inside of them. 🙄 I could be thinking too much. 🆒 I’m gonna go watch the game, so I don’t overheat. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/12 "2011-06-13T00:17:31Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Peeped into your Journal, Fade … IJ giving you submissive happenings from your girl MAY be GIRL SPECIFIC. Meaning ONLY your girl is submissive to IJ, IF you haven’t had that happen with others. Just a thought. IJ COULD make some girls bark like a frog, and others moo like a chicken, depending on what type of character they have hidden deep inside of them. 🙄 Actually, I found something similar the last time I had a run-in with Sporty - now she’s a pretty strong-willed and assertive woman but that night, I have never seen her so submissive. In all sorts of interesting ways. 😃 In fact, once I got her back to mine, the only time she got off her knees/the floor was when she was invited to climb all over me! 😉 OTOH, it was 4 drops A314 SBE, 2 sprays IJ and 30Mcg [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). Mind you, before getting her back, I had to deal with someone else’s irate husband (politely), two face-offs with guys determined to start a fight with me (squared-up to one, talked through the other) and had a strip torn off me by one of Sporty’s new mates (who knew nothing of our history) and then she hurled all sorts of abuse at us as we walked away from the place. I did have to ask myself if a night of mindbending sex with this woman was actually worth all the grief that led-up to it? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/13 "2011-06-13T00:22:22Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Actually, I found something similar the last time I had a run-in with Sporty - now she’s a pretty strong-willed and assertive woman but that night, I have never seen her so submissive. In all sorts of interesting ways. 😃 > > In fact, once I got her back to mine, the only time she got off her knees/the floor was when she was invited to climb all over me! 😉 > > OTOH, it was 4 drops A314 SBE, 2 sprays IJ and 30Mcg P83. Okay, that’s TWO people saying that IJ works the submissive nerve endings. Anymore of you males out there been paying attention, and noting such acts with your naked dancing partners? 🆒 \ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/14 "2011-06-13T00:27:24Z")
Did I mention the Hari-Krishna I ran into another night on the IJ - I have never seen anyone scurry away so fast as he did! 😮😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/15 "2011-06-13T02:24:29Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I did have to ask myself if a night of mindbending sex with this woman was actually worth all the grief that led-up to it? YES… Yes, It Probably Was… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/16 "2011-06-13T08:05:52Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Well, I’ve done 1-3 sprays and got most of the grief at 1/2. By the time I get to 3 I’m just being ghosted big-time. > > **And I get on fine with alcohol but only drink when I want to.** I may get the cocky/confident effects but I’ve started nothing. Its all been them. Well, even winos only drink when they want to, but that’s 100% of the time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/17 "2011-06-13T08:16:38Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > OK, I’ve tried IJ together with 30 mcg of P83 a few times in casual daytime and it’s been great. Quite amusing to go to a coffee shop and see women switch tables to move up closer. > > However it wasn’t all fun and games when I wore it on a night out last weekend. Right off the bat a biker picked a fight as soon as I entered the club. First he cracked a joke and I responded with some funny remark which he obviously found offensive. The bartenders and waitresses gave me looks that let me know he indeed was the asshole and not me, but I tried to smooth things over. After all, I hadn’t seen the patch on his vest and it would really suck to see that famous winged skull when he turns around to grab something to crack your skull open with. > > He calmed down somewhat but then my idiot friend showed up and he’s crazy enough to say anything to anyone so he refreshed the recently resolved argument and I was counting in my mind how many members an average MC club could contain when the bouncer showed up. He kindly asked if I and my friend could move to the bar at the other side of the building, which I thought was a brilliant idea. > > So we did, but at this point I was in such a bad mood that I was calling every guy I didn’t personally know a cocksucker, which really isn’t my usual behaviour. Nobody wanted to dance, which is good because I would’ve easily had my drunken ass handed to me. > > On the positive note the collective female staff thought I was hot shit, so it’ll be fun to go there again. Intended to go there last night but got out after closing time for that particular place. I used a more social mix this time to avoid chaos and had fun at the other club where I wound up. I think I’ll be careful with the IJ when I drink from now on. I’ve had only negative experiences with IJ **UNLESS** coupled with IG. Good luck. dsouza ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-trouble/50715/18 "2011-06-13T08:44:03Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’ve had only negative experiences with IJ **UNLESS** coupled with IG. Good luck. > > dsouza I’ve had only positive experiences unless coupled with alcohol.