# Instant Jerk without copulins: Is it worth it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 26, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616 "2009-10-26T22:42:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/1 "2009-10-26T22:42:39Z")
I read on here that the next batch of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) will not contain copulins, just a high amount of androstenone, 12.5 mcg per spray. Now, Turn Up The Heat also contains androstenone, 2.5 mcg per spray. So, if IJ is made without copulins, does it essentially become 5x TUTH? Or will another pheromone (it’s a trade secret, perhaps) be added to it to make it a distinct product? If not, then it almost makes IJ redundant, although I’m sure people will find a use for it. Anyway, if any knowledgeable minds can share something about the new batch of IJ, please do so. ---
**Author:** ![onthornsilay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/onthornsilay/32/1427_2.png) [@onthornsilay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/onthornsilay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/2 "2009-10-27T12:25:03Z")
if that is the case, it will be turn up the heat that gets make redunant because jerk is 5 times more powerful so u might aswell just spray one jerk, rather than 3 sprays of turn up the heat… ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/3 "2009-10-27T13:35:10Z")
> [@onthornsilay](#): > > if that is the case, it will be turn up the heat that gets make redunant because jerk is 5 times more powerful so u might aswell just spray one jerk, rather than 3 sprays of turn up the heat… But if people want, say, 1 spray of TUTH?..I have to agree with TheAttractor on this one. I don’t know the contents of TUTH and IJ, other than IJ is 5x the -none of TUTH, so I can’t comment on how different they really are. But if it is just the -none content that makes them different than it would make more sense to just have TUTH at different available concentrations than to have IJ by itself. I currently have both so one of these days I’ll try to get around comparing 1 IJ to 12.5mcg TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/4 "2009-10-27T14:33:58Z")
TUTH contains anone primarily with a few steering [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) so its not the same as IJ without copulins. IJ without copulins is just anone at 12.5 mcg with one other steering mone. The store description always said 3 pheromones. What that one is I do not know. I could look it up but I feel lazy right now LOL. So neither of them are single molecule formulas. I cant say if its worth it because my bottle has copulins in it but its to much anone for me to wear. Maybe one of the guys who has used it without cops can weigh in on it. My opinion would be since copulins is what makes it instant Jerk its no longer IJ without it. This doesn’t mean its a good formula just that it doesn’t have the player effect. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![rejected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85e7bf/32.png) [@rejected](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rejected)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/5 "2009-10-27T16:04:12Z")
How do you know if your IJ has cops in it or not? Anyone know when they switched? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/6 "2009-10-27T19:42:49Z")
I believe they announced something over the summer in the store forum. Do a search on IJ there and you should find the post. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/7 "2009-10-27T20:36:48Z")
Just add 2 or 3 drops of EOW to a full 30 ml bottle of IJ. If I remember correctly the other steering molecule in IJ is pretty important in adding to the jerk vibe from what I remember Jasmin saying in a post once, it was said that it adds to that loud jerk type of effect. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-without-copulins-is-it-worth-it/33616/8 "2009-10-27T23:31:08Z")
If you’ve ever been around heavy women into lifting, they reek of Androstenone. Androstenone + cops = very buff workout queen. So maybe the IJ steering mone is worth it…