# Instant Sexiness used by men **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 20, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923 "2006-11-20T15:13:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/21 "2006-11-21T02:11:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Lor** [view post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/19) > _the difference here is not that women cannot get arroused by both men and women; that is not novel. > the difference (unless i have overlooked it) is that it says nothing about women being attracted to effeminate men . > i can like men and i can like women. i do not become arroused with womanly-men. BIG difference. > the research nbully does will be all together different than that study. i am still interested in the findings, you never know._ > [@](#): > > by Pheroquirk > I guess there are two somewhat separable things here. Effeminate men (who likely put out a signature that is very obviously male even if it is somewhat subdued vs a not-effeminate man). Vs apparent freak-of-nature (but in actuality synthetically-enhanced) high-female-pheromone-emitting-man (whatever his appearance and demeanour). I think that in the right context and given the right set of behaviours both can work. I am certain that smallish doses of I Sexiness increase the attractiveness of middle of the road guys to some (many?) bi women. Not exactly sure what you mean by “middle of the road guys” - do you mean androgynous? My guess is you mean, _regular guys_, not effeminate, not ubermasculine either? I’m not sure about the idea of effeminate (or more feminine-smelling) men appealing to bi women … my history includes some relationships with women yet I’ve always felt (emotionally sympathetic, but) sexually repulsed by effeminate men who’ve expressed interest in me. I’ve had other bi women friends who’ve felt the same. Their male lovers and husbands tend to be quite masculine in appearance and behavior, though they may be creative/artistic in temperament. > [@](#): > > by Lor > > I do not become arroused with womanly-men. BIG difference. > [@](#): > > by pheroquirk > it has been noted in the seduction community by several different people that many effective seducers are somewhat effeminate. obviously this does not mean that most effeminate men are effective seducers. The very idea gives me the willies! But then I’m not a typical American female … much as I admire Johnny Depp, (whose persona embodies seduction for many women) and I think he’s beautiful and brilliant - that level of androgyny is not sexually appealing to me. We can theorize about how all this might work … but then we TEST! Congruency seems to be crucial, though. If you smell like something you’re not, then you make yourself seem a freak of nature. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/22 "2006-11-21T02:23:42Z")
i can only speak for my experience and other bi women i know. most (surely not all) bi women like women who are girly,and men who are masculine. women who are attracted to gay men would find a female-smelling man attractive, and we know from watching ricki lake in the 80’s that its pretty common. i think i am seeing the generation of 20 something women digging the metrosexuals, i personally dont but then again im single…still…after 16 months…but who’s counting…🙄 ---
**Author:** ![ilsa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ilsa/32/1552_2.png) [@ilsa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ilsa)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/23 "2006-11-21T03:13:21Z")
I have spent more than half of my life hanging out with gay men, my best friend being one of them. I have never been attracted to gay men, personally, because I know that they are not attracted to me. And this is why I don’t think the gay man image would work in a seduction scenario. It is not very arousing to be with a man who you assume does not want you or that you are not his type. Of course there are those women who _are_ attracted to gay men, but I think those women are rare. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/24 "2006-11-21T08:05:18Z")
Yeah Ilsa..as rare as hens with teeth, I would say… ^\_~ Not for me either, thanks, and I have never had any interest whatsoever in women, but I too have a good few gay friends of both sexes. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/25 "2006-11-21T13:47:25Z")
How do you know if you have just met a man if he is gay or not? I don’t dress like a metrosexual. Don’t walk, talk or dress or look like a gay person. Close friends (girls) have expressed that I have a serious expression most of the time, kind of CE syndrome. I believe I am neither effeminate nor overtly masculine. All this discussion really makes me want to just don 5-6 sprays of ISexi all over me and see what happens 😃 . Ummmm…maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/26 "2006-11-21T13:52:03Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > How do you know if you have just met a man if he is gay or not? > I don’t dress like a metrosexual. Don’t walk, talk or dress or look like a gay person. Close friends (girls) have expressed that I have a serious expression most of the time, kind of CE syndrome. I believe I am neither effeminate nor overtly masculine. > All this discussion really makes me want to just don 5-6 sprays of Instant Sexiness all over me and see what happens 😃 . Ummmm…maybe not. your my hero,nbully79! i wish i could tag along to watch!☹ ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/27 "2006-11-21T15:05:01Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i wish i could tag along to watch!☹ So do I! Although I don’t know how that would affect people’s perception toward me? Ah…I think you will just skew my experiment!😕 ---
**Author:** ![ilsa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ilsa/32/1552_2.png) [@ilsa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ilsa)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/28 "2006-11-21T16:54:58Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > How do you know if you have just met a man if he is gay or not? > I don’t dress like a metrosexual. Don’t walk, talk or dress or look like a gay person. Close friends (girls) have expressed that I have a serious expression most of the time, kind of CE syndrome. I believe I am neither effeminate nor overtly masculine. > All this discussion really makes me want to just don 5-6 sprays of Instant Sexiness all over me and see what happens 😃 . Ummmm…maybe not. That is a good question. I am usually able to spot a gay man nearly instantly. My gay friend and I just look at each other and say, “Uh huh.” I have been wrong, of course, but usually not. I can’t really define how I can sense this. I guess it is just because I have been around gay men so much. As for the experiment with I sexiness, go for it. I can’t wait to hear about what happens. Experimentation is always fun.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/29 "2006-11-21T16:55:20Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > So do I! Although I don’t know how that would affect people’s perception toward me? Ah…I think you will just skew my experiment!😕 no no no we could do this secretively…you know, like spies… no one has to see you with me. no one has to see me in the corner either applauding, laughing hysterically, or getting jealous 😛 it might be good to have some back-up if this all goes awry! what if you get attacked by hordes of horny women??? ok. im outa here 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/30 "2006-11-21T16:59:15Z")
My Gaydar has never, EVER failed me, but that’s not to say it won’t one day, I suppose.. 🙂 Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![d1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/fbc32d/32.png) [@d1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/d1)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/31 "2006-11-21T17:31:07Z")
Im new to this forum, however i want to express that this thread is has some great points raised about the general nature of male and female sexuallity. It occures to me that there are a thousnd examples of androgyny being used to attract and allure within show biz, fashion and music. To name but a few, David bowie, Prince, Maddonna, Marc Bolan, bon jovi, jonny depp, decaprio, all those boy bands, etc I dont think there is anything new in noting that a certain male androgynous vibe can at least catch people attention. However, i do think there is a vast difference between attracting attention socially and attracting sexual desire. And its not easy to generalise about peoples sexual desires. However i do think they are both strongly related. I think it was countesszero who said she was experimenting with Dirty and that it was working out great with her boyfriend. But surely this is a much much mor clear cut and controled experiment than going out in the street or a club and attracting randoms! If your already in a relationship then i guess you only have to cater for yourself and your partner, but if your going fishing then its a question of choosing the right baite! Ive never used any synthetic pheremones, but i think im gonna give it a whirl. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/32 "2006-11-21T17:39:48Z")
> [@d1](#): > > Im new to this forum, however i want to express that this thread is has some great points raised about the general nature of male and female sexuallity. > > It occures to me that there are a thousnd examples of androgyny being used to attract and allure within show biz, fashion and music. To name but a few, David bowie, Prince, Maddonna, Marc Bolan, bon jovi, jonny depp, decaprio, all those boy bands, etc > > I dont think there is anything new in noting that a certain male androgynous vibe can at least catch people attention. > > However, i do think there is a vast difference between attracting attention socially and attracting sexual desire. And its not easy to generalise about peoples sexual desires. However i do think they are both strongly related. > > I think it was countesszero who said she was experimenting with Dirty and that it was working out great with her boyfriend. But surely this is a much much mor clear cut and controled experiment than going out in the street or a club and attracting randoms! If your already in a relationship then i guess you only have to cater for yourself and your partner, but if your going fishing then its a question of choosing the right baite! > > Ive never used any synthetic pheremones, but i think im gonna give it a whirl. i agree 110% about the difference between experimenting with someone that you are already in a relationship with and going fishing. i think you can rock any pheromone mix you wear if you wear it like you would wear an outfit; you cant wear leather pants and go swimming, and you cant go to a wedding in a bikini. if you wear the pheromones expressing your a force to be reckoned with, you better play the part,and everyone will notice. reason being is that even if someone _claims they have a type_ they are interested in, they ALL fall for charisma. charisma is found on anyone comfortable in their own skin and flaunting that fact. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/33 "2006-11-21T20:45:39Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Rbt and I disagree on this. But it’s my view that coming across as a bit gay might not be unhelpful to attempts at seduction in certain contexts if you can carry it off. There is a story in ‘The Game’ by Neil Strauss about a woman who is convinced he is gay even after sleeping with him. It’s okay for her to come back with you because you are ‘safe’… but once she is back at your place and in a sexual state (kino, ss patterns) it doesn’t matter whether she thinks you are gay or not. I don’t recall commenting on this subject… I’m still witholding judgement. Working on my own “game” still. I don’t think I’ve ever considered adding a “gay” component… or made any comments one way or the other if someone else considered it. But then again I can’t remember what I had for breakfast this morning… …I did have breakfast, didn’t I… …?.. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/34 "2006-11-22T06:47:02Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > Women are attracted to homosexual men because they pose no sexual threat to their comfort zone. If you are straight and are interested in women.. then it is not ok to come off as homosexual, whether you are or not.. it just isn’t right. lol. > > What is even worse is some guy who thinks he is doing the right thing to attract women by being feminine. Even if you do get past her defenses.. now all of a sudden you have to make up for that category she stuck you in just because you pose no sexual threat… especially if you are percieved as gay and then all of a sudden make a straight man move.. then it would come off as strange.. or something like “ohh that is so sweet,” etc. Its better to just be male or be yourself, relax so you do not make people nervous and just be careful which boundaries you push. Sexual threat? Sexual threat is not the goal! The goal is sexual arousal! Not terrorism! Besides… being a mystery to figure out really intrigues women. Trust me. Wearing more than a hint of cops for a man repels most hetero women anyway. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/35 "2006-11-22T06:48:23Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Yes man, I hear you! There will be no sudden straight man move as I am a straight man throughout and will be behaving as I naturally/usually do unless it’s application affects me too much (that’s why the wrist application). It’s the very concept of why we do mixes around here. > Trying to strike a balance and see if something comes off it. See if there are any heterosexual women who are attracted to that kind of signature. > Only experimentation will tell, I guess! Hope I don’t freak out the girls who know me too well or I interact daily with. They might perceive that I am now trying to come out of the closet all of a sudden 😃 !! Now, that won’t be good! Or, more likely, they’ll think you just had awesome sex, to suddenly be smelling that much of a woman. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/36 "2006-11-22T06:50:55Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > I have played with I Sexiness in combination with masculine pheromones (none etc). It does risk projecting a gay vibe - guys winking at you etc. It seems to be very effective with bi girls (small sample) I don’t yet have enough experience with it to have found a general purpose club/bar mix. > > Rbt and I disagree on this. But it’s my view that coming across as a bit gay might not be unhelpful to attempts at seduction in certain contexts if you can carry it off. There is a story in ‘The Game’ by Neil Strauss about a woman who is convinced he is gay even after sleeping with him. It’s okay for her to come back with you because you are ‘safe’… but once she is back at your place and in a sexual state (kino, ss patterns) it doesn’t matter whether she thinks you are gay or not. > > Of course this might not want to be what you project in social contexts generally so I would advise caution. I’d think she would subconsciously label you bisexual, as likely as gay. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/37 "2006-11-22T07:01:48Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > Not exactly sure what you mean by “middle of the road guys” - do you mean androgynous? My guess is you mean, _regular guys_, not effeminate, not ubermasculine either? > > I’m not sure about the idea of effeminate (or more feminine-smelling) men appealing to bi women … my history includes some relationships with women yet I’ve always felt (emotionally sympathetic, but) sexually repulsed by effeminate men who’ve expressed interest in me. I’ve had other bi women friends who’ve felt the same. Their male lovers and husbands tend to be quite masculine in appearance and behavior, though they may be creative/artistic in temperament. > > The very idea gives me the willies! But then I’m not a typical American female … much as I admire Johnny Depp, (whose persona embodies seduction for many women) and I think he’s beautiful and brilliant - that level of androgyny is not sexually appealing to me. > > We can theorize about how all this might work … but then we TEST! Congruency seems to be crucial, though. If you smell like something you’re not, then you make yourself seem a freak of nature. There’s a big difference between “skinny white guy with ballsy attitude who smells of his last conquest” and “effeminate men”. ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/38 "2006-11-22T14:00:44Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Sexual threat? Sexual threat is not the goal! The goal is sexual arousal! Not terrorism! > > Besides… being a mystery to figure out really intrigues women. Trust me. > > **Wearing more than a hint of cops for a man repels most hetero women anyway**. Interesting…that’s completely the opposite of my experiences when I was using cops a few years ago. One of the reasons I stopped using them was that all my buddies’ gfs started blatantly hitting on me…in front of them in many cases. It was more than a little awkward. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/39 "2006-11-22T14:13:13Z")
> [@Scottie2Hottie](#): > > Interesting…that’s completely the opposite of my experiences when I was using cops a few years ago. One of the reasons I stopped using them was that all my buddies’ gfs started blatantly hitting on me…in front of them in many cases. It was more than a little awkward. Okay, let me qualify my statement… “In my experiments…” But if that was your results, I’m game for another round of experiments on copulins. What was your source and dose, and what did you wear it with? I’ll also be curious about the strength of your certainty these were heterosexual females, not bisexual, and how many times you observed this. Did you already know these women, or did you get this from complete strangers too? ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923/40 "2006-11-22T14:24:54Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > There’s a big difference between “skinny white guy with ballsy attitude who smells of his last conquest” and “effeminate men”. A world of difference. The skinny white guy needs a bath! Unless lots of alcohol is involved; then it won’t matter a damn. I applaud all of you who want to try it and report your results. I only inserted my comments about bi women because of all the theorizing about why this _should_ work, the logical underpinnings of which seemed faulty to me in light of my own life experience … I’m very interested to hear how it _does_ work. … and catlord, you do a great job reporting your testing in such detail; I salute you! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-used-by-men/923.md?page=3)