# Instant Shine (IS) strength

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [April 14, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294 "2006-04-14T04:09:32Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![b737pilot88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@b737pilot88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/b737pilot88)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/1 "2006-04-14T04:09:32Z")

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What is best for you guys? The regular IS or the IS: extra strength?😕

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/2 "2006-04-14T05:56:34Z")

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IS worked damn well,but i’m still going for a double strength next time!😛

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**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/3 "2006-04-14T12:44:33Z")

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Woah, Nelly!!!

There’s a double strength IS!!? If there is … is it possible that someone in charge can post all the products that come in double strength/extra strength, or whateva comes in extra strength? Pleeeeeeeeze.

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**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 1:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/4 "2006-04-14T13:31:51Z")

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Hmmm. Not aware myself that IShine came in anything other than “regular.” But given the positive comments I’ve seen here (and I’ve no personal complaints yet either!) it may be nice to have a boosted version.

However having a “weaker” version has advantages, as I can spray a wider area (multiple sprays) for better diffusion while keeping a lid on the overall “dose.”

I currently use about 2 sprays as my standard “base” IShine application, up to 4 if I’m meeting one of my younger honeys (or one I’d like to be able to refer to as a “honey”…). I had been combining with a spray or two of IO, but may cut back on IO or drop it completely as an everyday thing as many people I meet when I wear it won’t shut up… I have a tough time getting a word in myself. Perhaps a few drops of a314 would help in terms of keeping a conversation lively, but at least giving me the “presence” to have people listen when _I_ want to say something.

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**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 2:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/5 "2006-04-14T14:17:25Z")

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I’m betting you could get anything in double strength, except mayube a314

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**Author:** ![b737pilot88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@b737pilot88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/b737pilot88)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/6 "2006-04-14T14:18:29Z")

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yes, i check the store and they have double strength…but is it better to get the double one or the regular one? I see theres advantages aand disavantages of it b/c the regular one u can spray alot to other areas and its faster to waste. While the double strength one u can use little and not spray into other areas of your body.

Whats your guys opinion?🙄

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**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 3:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/7 "2006-04-14T15:07:51Z")

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It all depends on what you use, if you regularly use at least two sprays of regular dose IS (especially on the same area) then get the double strength because it’s more economical, but if you mix it up and are all over the dosage landscape then get the regular because it is more tuneable.

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/8 "2006-04-14T20:57:59Z")

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I’ll still spray the same amount though.😛

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/9 "2006-04-14T21:44:11Z")

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Actually the IS double strength is also more suitable for those who find the regular strength not being able to counter enough of the mellowing effects from IFM.  
For this purpose,ISx2 would be much more efficient and effective I guess.

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/10 "2006-04-14T23:38:50Z")

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The double strengths you’re seeing are by request, and are, to me, still experients.

To me, diffusion is king.

It’s not just chemistry that matters here, but the completely ignored aspect of PHYSICS – chemical physics.

“It don’t mean a thing if you ain’t got that…” uhh, molecular diffusion. 😉

Seriously.

Pheromones don’t do you any good if they just sit there on your skin. You want them leaping off the skin, and dancing in the air around you in a nice cloud, like a good cologne or perfume does with scent.

All good colognes and perfumes create a nice “sillage” (a “vapor trail”), and that’s what you want [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) doing, too.

I think single strength of some pheromones would work best. More sprays = more diffusive carrier & diffusion enhancers + more surface area = superior diffusion.

As far as Shine, for the most part, it’s pheromone ablend is already highly volatile (i.e., it’s comprised of molecules that love to diffuse quickly all on their own).

Therefore, I think a single spray of double strength Instant Shine may work just about as well as a two sprays of single strength.

On the other hand, something slow diffusing like androstenone would probably be best in a lower dose spray.

Hands on experience from a broad number of users will let us know better than theory does, though. It always does! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/11 "2006-04-15T16:33:18Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
>
> …  
> To me, diffusion is king.
> 
> It’s not just chemistry that matters here, but the completely ignored aspect of PHYSICS – chemical physics.
> 
> “It don’t mean a thing if you ain’t got that…” uhh, molecular diffusion. 😉  
> …

As a side comment along these lines. I don’t have anything certain, but I have noticed someting. I have one “test subject” I’ve been using over the past year, an older woman (60’s). I see her nearly every day at least once during my caregiving duties. She has very rarely ever commented about any scent I’ve worn, and if I want her opinion about a cologne (or a “special cologne” wink wink if you know what I mean…) I usually have to stick my arm (where I usually apply a “sample”) under her nose and ask. The only “special cologne” I recall her commenting on recently without prompting was the time I tried some of the Impi 2nd batch (worn by itself).

HOWEVER, I just started experimenting with 1 to 2 sprays of IShine, covered by 1 or 2 sprays of Chikara. Twice now she has noticed the Chikara scent right off the bat. She has never commented on the Chikara scent before without prompting.

I’m starting to think that the “extra diffusive” properties of the IShine are also boosting the diffusion of the Chikara (which I understand does have -none in it, but I don’t know how much). I may start trying IShine plus some of the other regular colognes, as well as some of the other more -none heavy scented [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) to see if they too now get commented on without asking (eg Alter Ego).

Something to consider.

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/12 "2006-04-17T17:21:31Z")

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How about a 1/2 strength in a 2X bottle? More sprays = more diffusion?

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/13 "2006-04-17T17:24:19Z")

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Erm..thats a contradicting statement..  
You mean a 1/2 spray version i guess?  
I think you’ll use that up in no time!😮

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/14 "2006-04-17T18:00:44Z")

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Not contradictory. Instead of 10 mcg in 10 ml of carrier (1 strength :1X size), it’s 10 mcg in 20 ml of carrier (1/2 strength: 2X size) that way, 4 sprays of “whatever” is equal to 2 sprays of the original. More sprays = more spread out while applying the same amount of ~mones as the original.

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**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/15 "2006-08-29T08:51:58Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
>
> The double strengths you’re seeing are by request, and are, to me, still experients.
> 
> To me, diffusion is king.
> 
> It’s not just chemistry that matters here, but the completely ignored aspect of PHYSICS – chemical physics.
> 
> “It don’t mean a thing if you ain’t got that…” uhh, molecular diffusion. 😉
> 
> Seriously.
> 
> Pheromones don’t do you any good if they just sit there on your skin. You want them leaping off the skin, and dancing in the air around you in a nice cloud, like a good cologne or perfume does with scent.
> 
> All good colognes and perfumes create a nice “sillage” (a “vapor trail”), and that’s what you want pheromone products doing, too.
> 
> I think single strength of some pheromones would work best. More sprays = more diffusive carrier & diffusion enhancers + more surface area = superior diffusion.
> 
> As far as Shine, for the most part, it’s pheromone ablend is already highly volatile (i.e., it’s comprised of molecules that love to diffuse quickly all on their own).
> 
> Therefore, I think a single spray of double strength Instant Shine may work just about as well as a two sprays of single strength.
> 
> On the other hand, something slow diffusing like androstenone would probably be best in a lower dose spray.
> 
> Hands on experience from a broad number of users will let us know better than theory does, though. It always does! 🙂

Is there any molecules other than TAA and ANol that people (incl. MHarris) have noticed are really fast diffusing or on the next level compared to TAA/Anol?

Visionary

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**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 9:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/16 "2006-08-29T09:11:22Z")

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> [@Rbt](#):
>
> As a side comment along these lines. I don’t have anything certain, but I have noticed someting. I have one “test subject” I’ve been using over the past year, an older woman (60’s). I see her nearly every day at least once during my caregiving duties. She has very rarely ever commented about any scent I’ve worn, and if I want her opinion about a cologne (or a “special cologne” wink wink if you know what I mean…) I usually have to stick my arm (where I usually apply a “sample”) under her nose and ask. The only “special cologne” I recall her commenting on recently without prompting was the time I tried some of the Impi 2nd batch (worn by itself).
> 
> HOWEVER, I just started experimenting with 1 to 2 sprays of IShine, covered by 1 or 2 sprays of Chikara. Twice now she has noticed the Chikara scent right off the bat. She has never commented on the Chikara scent before without prompting.
> 
> I’m starting to think that the “extra diffusive” properties of the IShine are also boosting the diffusion of the Chikara (which I understand does have -none in it, but I don’t know how much). I may start trying IShine plus some of the other regular colognes, as well as some of the other more -none heavy scented pheromone products to see if they too now get commented on without asking (eg Alter Ego).
> 
> Something to consider.

Yo RBT,

Right on dude. I noticed the same thing with Chikara sprayed last over ISHINE. It’s smell becomes very pronounced and more short-lived ( ie. must be diffusing like a mutha-frakker ( battlestar teminology, sorry! ) ).

NFS

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**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/17 "2006-08-29T17:17:07Z")

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> [@nfs](#):
>
> Yo RBT,
> 
> Right on dude. I noticed the same thing with Chikara sprayed last over ISHINE. It’s smell becomes very pronounced and more short-lived ( ie. must be diffusing like a mutha-frakker ( battlestar teminology, sorry! ) ).
> 
> NFS

Watch that feldercarb! Or I’ll sic a daggit on you! (I still prefer the original series… sorry. Except for that lame-o daggit…)

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/18 "2006-08-29T17:55:11Z")

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Definitely, the original of the series. Or, as we used to call it “Battlestar Pondarosa” (Because “[Ben Cartwright](http://www.bonanzaworld.net/)” was the commander.)

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**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/19 "2006-08-30T02:05:47Z")

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nah prefer the new series, ..the girls are way hotter 🙂

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**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-is-strength/294/20 "2006-08-30T19:33:48Z")

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I’ve never seen the new one but there was an Asian girl in Maxim from that show and she was very hot.

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