# Instant Shine used alone: what results have you had, and what would you improve? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 8:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134 "2006-02-12T20:39:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gklite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gklite/32/1489_2.png) [@gklite](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gklite)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 7:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/21 "2006-10-10T07:39:13Z")
> [@murrays](#): > > I notice that when I wear IS to work, people tend to congregate around my cubicle more often. How long have you been using IS? I have a TOGO version of IShine which I got just to try. There is no doubt that its a v good product, it lifts my mood & gives confidence, I wonder is that the same molecule in A314? Did you notice when effects of IShine are over there is a let down feeling which i did’nt notice in A314? In fairness I have tried IShine only twice & don’t want to jump to any conclusion, Instead IFM is really a magical product. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/22 "2006-10-10T11:29:30Z")
I did order a bottle of instant shine on 5th oct it was the first product i have ordered from androtics and after studying all of the products it seemed the most logical one to buy after reading all of the product discriptions, at first glance the name did look unusual for a pheromome product it looked completly different sort of out of this world, but after reading about all of its attributes the name seemed like a perfect match for the product and i personally think the name will attract as it did me, ok i got to go so remember shine on you crazy diamonds 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![gklite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gklite/32/1489_2.png) [@gklite](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gklite)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/23 "2006-10-10T11:53:06Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > I did order a bottle of instant shine on 5th oct Feedback the forum about your results ---
**Author:** ![murrays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@murrays](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/murrays)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/24 "2006-10-10T23:45:46Z")
Today I woke up on the wrong side of bed, so to speak, I was very slow about getting ready for work and a bit on the crabby side 😠. I decided to up my usual dose of 2-3 sprays to four. One on hair, one back of neck, two on both sides of my chest on my shirt. This was probably the first time I had REAL noticable results from any [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) (I’ve been using for 2 weeks now). For one, I felt just fantastic. Very confident for at least the first 4 hours after application. People were stopping by my cube and seemed like they wanted to chat for much more longer than usual, both female and male alike. I even noticed other coworkers would congregate in my general vicinity even though they weren’t talking to me. As far as the “down in the dumps effect” after it wears off–I did notice this happening today, but it wasn’t as bad as the other times for some reason. It doesn’t really seem to phase me, other than myself just knowing that the shine effect has subsided. So possibly the “depressed” effect isn’t affected by how many sprays you wear. After all, I’m just a rookie anyways 😛 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/25 "2006-10-11T00:11:30Z")
> [@gklite](#): > > Feedback the forum about your results I will wear it alone for awhile and give myself a chance to become familiar with its personality and i will report all positive perceptions back to this friendly community as chances permit. I also have some A314 arriving from l-s so i will be working on two projects and i will do my best not to have any overlaps occuring for a period of time.I wonder if my A314 is going to be the same formula as the one androtics will have when they obtain their sales stocks of this one again? I have the idea in my head that it is going to be a new formula although i could have easily picked up on the wrong thread somewhere along the line, yeaar id really like a bit of info on the next A314 if any1 knows anything thanks.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thenoser](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thenoser/32/2199_2.png) [@thenoser](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thenoser)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/26 "2006-10-11T04:53:41Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > I wonder if my A314 is going to be the same formula as the one Androtics will have when they obtain their sales stocks of this one again? I have the idea in my head that it is going to be a new formula although i could have easily picked up on the wrong thread somewhere along the line, yeaar id really like a bit of info on the next A314 if any1 knows anything thanks.🙂 i seem to recall that the difference between the Androtics A314 and the version sent to other retailers was the quality of the essential oils. Androtics used higher quality (more expensive) oils, but retailers wanted to keep the price lower and requested cheaper oils. there was supposed to be a special edition A314 with alpha androstenol, but i have yet to see anything further on any new formulae. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/27 "2006-10-11T05:04:08Z")
> [@thenoser](#): > > i seem to recall that the difference between the Androtics A314 and the version sent to other retailers was the quality of the essential oils. Androtics used higher quality (more expensive) oils, but retailers wanted to keep the price lower and requested cheaper oils. there was supposed to be a special edition A314 with alpha androstenol, but i have yet to see anything further on any new formulae. The essential oil quality has basically been the same. All good to very good grade. The big difference is that everything at our store uses all American synthesized androgens, the best in the world. These are almost unbelievably more expensive. Up to 80 times moreso in terms of our cost. That’s what makes our A314 here a little more expensive. In an upcoming “A314 Special Edition” to celebrate A314’s anniversary we are going to use _extra special_ essential oils, however. In fact, this is what’s delaying this product. We’re paid quite a bit for the super high grade essential oils, but keep receiving essential oils of a lower fragrance quality than Michael prefers for this extra special edition. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/28 "2006-10-11T08:09:41Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > The essential oil quality has basically been the same. All good to very good grade. > > The big difference is that everything at our store uses all American synthesized androgens, the best in the world. These are almost unbelievably more expensive. Up to 80 times moreso in terms of our cost. That’s what makes our A314 here a little more expensive. > > In an upcoming “A314 Special Edition” to celebrate A314’s anniversary we are going to use _extra special_ essential oils, however. In fact, this is what’s delaying this product. We’re paid quite a bit for the super high grade essential oils, but keep receiving essential oils of a lower fragrance quality than Michael prefers for this extra special edition. SO can anyone just make up their own A314 and put the A314 label on it, seeing as the one i ordered from l-s is an inferior product i wll have to return it and get a genuine A314 when androtics gets their stock in, meanwhile i will have to email bruce at l-s and ask him why he is selling inferior a314, how can i evaluate a pirate product? thanks for putting me wise. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/29 "2006-10-11T08:42:44Z")
Terry..I think you have misunderstood something here.. Androtics/Smartmones are THE manufacturers and creators of A314. If you do a search for the many threads on the product, you can read both Michael and Jasmin’s full explanation as to why there is a slightly different version available at LS. Androtics don’t simply “Get their stock in,” they MANUFACTURE the product from the ground up. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![live4themusic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/live4themusic/32/1996_2.png) [@live4themusic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/live4themusic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 8:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/30 "2006-10-11T08:43:35Z")
I’m interested in hearing what Bruce has to say about it. Just so you know, there are people who’ve been banned from their forum for mentioning this one (from what I gather). So if you bring up your purchase over here on the board there you might incur the wrath of the moderators. Other than their moderation, I love LS. I think both companies appeal to different demands, so I don’t see why LS needs to moderate as hardcore as they do. I feel like LS’s approach to pheromone use is more ‘no-nonsense’ whereas Androtics is all about exploring new and potentially dangerous, but also potentially rewarding, territory. Let us know how the IS goes. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/31 "2006-10-11T08:52:09Z")
It seems every so often this needs to be brought up, so I am going to bump something in the Lounge forum here just for new people from LS to read.. That should fill you all in, and I would very much advise against contacting Bruce about A314, if I wanted to stay a member of LS, but that’s just my tuppenceworth. Once you have read the thread I am referring to, to completion, you should understand why I am advising you to leave well alone, and simply enjoy the product, safe in the knowledge you are now a member of the forums of Androtics - the actual creators of A314. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 11:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/32 "2006-10-11T11:22:33Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > Terry..I think you have misunderstood something here.. > > Androtics/Smartmones are THE manufacturers and creators of A314. > > If you do a search for the many threads on the product, you can read both Michael and Jasmin’s full explanation as to why there is a slightly different version available at Love Scent. > > Androtics don’t simply “Get their stock in,” they MANUFACTURE the product from the ground up. > > Ail 🙂 Ok i am glad i couldnt use my computer for awhile as i probably did misunderstand, so it is my understanding now that androtics are the sole manufacturers of A314 and if that is the case then l-s or anyone else can purchase it and sell it in their stores,so for instance if a seller purchases a large consignment of the A314 they may have an option of choosing a cheaper oil base for their consignment to keep their costs down. I decided rather than cause a stink about it all, i will not to mention it to my seller which was l-s i can always toss it in the bin and learn a good lesson and get the genuine dinky di true blue one from androtics in future.Il be glad when the 11 oct which is today in australia is over as it really has been one of those days at every turn 4 me, it would have been a good day 4 my instant shine to have arrived for sure.😠 ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/33 "2006-10-11T11:59:14Z")
Terry, It is not the base oil. Let me try to explain. The only difference between A314 sold here vs. elsewhere is where the raw phero material was made. Everything else is the same; oil base, ratio of phero’s, manufacturer of course, and so on. A314 sold everywhere is not ‘crap’, it is made to same quality and probably produces almost same effect. I did not try, but saw feedback of buyers from other places. It is a matter or economics. If Androtics sold the one they sell here to reseller X, then X would add their margin on-top, making X sell price higher, which doesn’t work in the marketplace and makes lawyers happy. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/34 "2006-10-11T23:23:34Z")
Yes, the difference is in the _source_ of the pheromone ingredients. Androtics makes a314 “to order,” and if a retailer like LS asks for a less expensive product, Androtics then has to make the product with less expensive (imported from out of the US) [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). This is not uncommon in most any industry. Big Name Brand food company may make near identical product for use as “house brand” item, but may use cheaper ingredients or ones that don’t meet _their own_ grade A standards (they are still good quality ingredients however). I know similar situations were common (and still are) in the electronics industry. Etc. Androtics chooses to use the absolutely highest grade ingredients that also must pass their own internal “grading system” for the products they sell through their store. Note: there was an item, I think on this forum somewhere, that had a link to some “genuine fake” a314 as an example of a ripoff product. Someone else was selling some concoction of their own making under the “a314” name, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Androtics. Pure piracy. A real crappy label and all too. The a314 at Love-Scent is made by Androtics, but to LS specifications. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/35 "2006-10-11T23:43:44Z")
It’s all good stuff. It’s just what we can afford to do. Economics 101. Here, we’re selling direct, so can afford to things a different way than most pheromone stores, since there are no middlemen. It’s our store, so we do it all our way. Our decision here is to sell pheromones completely with American made pheromone components, which cost far more to make. All our reseller channel products were the best we could do for the price point required. Everything still underwent extensive QC, because we wouldn’t do it any other way. We’ve always refused to put out substandard products under our own name. The benefit of getting it at normal retailers is the unique things they offer. Bundles, customer service, different shipping rates, all that good stuff. Some people simply like to buy from their favorite stores because of those things. It’s like buying at your favorite grocery store, instead of going to the Hershey or Ghiradelli factory for chocolate. There’s upsides and downsides to everything. A314 here or at a retailer both work well. It’s just a matter of what we can afford to do. If you a European car direct from some car manufacturers, instead of pocketing the additional profit they’d make from you going direct, they throw in a European vacation and car racing lessons. Here, we throw in the highest grade of pheromones we can and offer certain customization services. On the other hand, we don’t carry other products which you might enjoy. There’s a few other manufacturers making good products, too. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/36 "2006-10-12T00:25:33Z")
Thank you all 4 so much help i know where i will be shopping at in future but i was impatient as usual and there was none available so i thought i was doing ok for an uneducated boy from the bush, well i suppose it wasent all bad because i had a 20% store discount i had kept, but i would rather pay extra anytime to get the best ingredients, and i think androtics really have a brilliant range of products to choose from and i am really stoked that so many have gone out of their way to educate me a little so bless you all. terry0400-40 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![murrays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@murrays](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/murrays)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/37 "2006-10-12T01:45:56Z")
Nice thread. I was beginning to get antsy and was considering getting A314 from a different retailer, however I decided to try the MX102-105 A314/modified A314 instead. Its nice and cheap, and it’ll be fun to try out some a314 and modified A314 while I wait for regular A314. This might be a fun and frugal option for those waiting for A314. Wow I said “A314” a lot in that post. Is that confusing 😕 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 10:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/38 "2006-10-12T10:36:10Z")
> [@murrays](#): > > Nice thread. I was beginning to get antsy and was considering getting A314 from a different retailer, however I decided to try the MX102-105 A314/modified A314 instead. Its nice and cheap, and it’ll be fun to try out some A314 and modified A314 while I wait for regular A314. This might be a fun and frugal option for those waiting for A314. Wow I said “A314” a lot in that post. Is that confusing 😕 I would say that to someone who didnt know about pheromones and read your post they really would be confused and probably think we were working on some explosive formula and i would say if a buddy of George Bush were to read it you would probably get a visit from the cia and i would have a visit by asio, funny hey, add 314 together adds up to 8 and this is a very distinguished number, yes i may have a look around at some other stuff and i must say the space land looks like fun.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/39 "2006-10-16T07:12:34Z")
Paraaaar Paraaaar honk honk, well guess what, yes i am now qualified to say something about [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) as i found some in my mail thismorning and i did the right thing and slammed some on well 2 sprays to be precise and a spray of something unexpected that also came along for the trip which i have no idea what it is but it smelled ok it was labelled MX113, and as i had a rough night and was feeling a tad jaded and was on my way out i thought why not, did i notice any effects? i sure did believe it or not but i did, i dont know if i was shining or not as the best word to describe how i felt is SMOOTH man i really felt super smooth like i was right in harmoney with each and every second like suspended in time sort of just rolling along smooth and controlled it felt so natural, i did not expect this at all, and externally not much as i was busy, but one girl did apologise to me for getting in my way which was odd because she was over 4 foot away from me.🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134/40 "2006-10-16T12:31:19Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > Paraaaar Paraaaar honk honk, well guess what, yes i am now qualified to say something about Instant Shine as i found some in my mail thismorning and i did the right thing and slammed some on well 2 sprays to be precise and a spray of something unexpected that also came along for the trip which i have no idea what it is but it smelled ok it was labelled MX113, and as i had a rough night and was feeling a tad jaded and was on my way out i thought why not, did i notice any effects? i sure did believe it or not but i did, i dont know if i was shining or not as the best word to describe how i felt is SMOOTH man i really felt super smooth like i was right in harmoney with each and every second like suspended in time sort of just rolling along smooth and controlled it felt so natural, i did not expect this at all, and externally not much as i was busy, but one girl did apologise to me for getting in my way which was odd because she was over 4 foot away from me.🙂 🙂 Where on your body did you spray the MX113 and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-used-alone-what-results-have-you-had-and-what-would-you-improve/134.md?page=3)