# Interesting reactions and Similar products to CTTM & IFM **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 25, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536 "2011-03-25T23:20:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/1 "2011-03-25T23:20:43Z")
I’ve read that IFM and CTTM have been discontinued, however I think I might be in need of these 2 products. Can I mix any of the products or are there any putatives or experimones that can duplicate the effects? My package arrived pretty fast and I went to work on it immediately. I’d like to thank Androtics for the free samples they gave, unfortunately I think DHL didn’t handle the parcel too well and most of my togo bottle of IG spilt into the package so I decided to dab the spilt contents on myself, neck and chest, I put a big drop of A314 below my nose and on my neck. (When you guys say drop, is it a dab of the bottle on the finger itself or do I lift the bottle up and let the oil “free fall” cos the oil seems to come out big or multiple drops just spill out) Please tell me if any of the effects I’ve felt are what I should expect/placebo/overthinking/od-ing I gave a female friend (A) (early twenties) who stayed near me a lift to the mall I was going to as I was meeting another female friend (B) (mid twenties) for dinner in that area too. (A) is usually a little bitchy and cranky and true to form she was a little snide and sarcastic in her conersation with me in the car. However I ignored certain comments, was firm with her (usually she still retorts or tries to draw my attention if I ignore her) and somehow our conversations became more normal and less bitchy, however I realised she didn’t laugh too much at my jokes (I usually joked) I met up with (B) who wanted to catch up with me (haven’t had a long chat with her for about 6 months) and find out how things were. At the end of the conversation she told me that somehow I felt older now. She’s not the touchy feely type but when she said good bye to me she placed her hand on my arm (side of bicep) and told me to take care. I then went to a shop where I was a regular and did my shopping. The boss who knew me (C) (late 40s) remarked that I felt less boyish and that I felt older (I have this boyish air to me. I alternate between a boyish personality and an alpha negotiater/salesman. Personal life = boyish, Work = alpha. One of her staff was exceptionally helpful and went out of his way (early 50s) to help me check and look for discounted stock (same goods but more generic packaging, ie. meant for samples) I went home, took a shower and scrubbed totally clean. I proceeded to apply 1 spray of IO X2 on each wrist (2 sprays total) 1 spray of IS X2 on my inner elbows (2 sprays total) Half a spray of ammunition to my chest, 1 spray on my hand applied on both sides of my neck 1 drop of A314 on my chin, 1 drop of A314 on my neck I then headed out to a club that I frequented with a couple of friends When I was there… A gay guy whom I’ve seen around but never talked to looked at me with strange eyes (as if he was attracted) and then came over and started talking to me.. A beta guy whom I knew later came over and gave me a prolonged hug and proceeded to engage me in a semi lengthy conversation. However other people seemed to not notice me. Some of my friends were a little weird though. Talking to some of them and some I met, for some reason they couldn’t give me eye contact when talking to me. 2 of them even had that slight “raised pitch” in voice when talking. Something like when someone is trying to “fake it” and their voice suddenly raises a little, and what they were talking to me about seemed a little superficial . A couple of girls came over to dance with me but that was about it. I was somehow invisible to most people (did I OD, was I ghosting or was it no effect and I was just normal and over imagining things). Somehow people felt distant When we went for drinks and food post clubbing, a buddy of mine sitting next to me asked me to move a little further from him. He was tired out from a week of work, but he told me that he somehow felt that he needed some space and that when I was sitting near him, he somehow had the feeling of his space being invaded. At drinks and food I noticed that some of my buds were more attentive when I spoke, they actually listened and accepted what I mostly said (they usually question or critique but somehow they just kind of accepted what I said) I don’t know if it was the time and since everybody was tired I think I need something more social like IFM And CTTM. Anyone have any recommendations? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/2 "2011-03-26T03:09:59Z")
sorry, you don’t need more stuff, you just need to work what you have and learn to use them. Start wit one product like the AMMO and find out how much (or more likely how little) it takes to get a bit of extra attention from those around you. Then try another. I’m guessing your bud who asked you to give him some space was an awesome hit…an adverse hit but a gold plated " yeah this stuff is alive and kickin’" proof positive hit nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/3 "2011-03-26T04:08:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > I’ve read that IFM and CTTM have been discontinued, however I think I might be in need of these 2 products. Can I mix any of the products or are there any putatives or experimones that can duplicate the effects? > > My package arrived pretty fast and I went to work on it immediately. > > I’d like to thank Androtics for the free samples they gave, unfortunately I think DHL didn’t handle the parcel too well and most of my togo bottle of IG spilt into the package so I decided to dab the spilt contents on myself, neck and chest, I put a big drop of A314 below my nose and on my neck. (When you guys say drop, is it a dab of the bottle on the finger itself or do I lift the bottle up and let the oil “free fall” cos the oil seems to come out big or multiple drops just spill out) > > Please tell me if any of the effects I’ve felt are what I should expect/placebo/overthinking/od-ing > > I gave a female friend (A) (early twenties) who stayed near me a lift to the mall I was going to as I was meeting another female friend (B) (mid twenties) for dinner in that area too. (A) is usually a little bitchy and cranky and true to form she was a little snide and sarcastic in her conersation with me in the car. However I ignored certain comments, was firm with her (usually she still retorts or tries to draw my attention if I ignore her) and somehow our conversations became more normal and less bitchy, however I realised she didn’t laugh too much at my jokes (I usually joked) > > I met up with (B) who wanted to catch up with me (haven’t had a long chat with her for about 6 months) and find out how things were. At the end of the conversation she told me that somehow I felt older now. She’s not the touchy feely type but when she said good bye to me she placed her hand on my arm (side of bicep) and told me to take care. > > I then went to a shop where I was a regular and did my shopping. The boss who knew me (C) (late 40s) remarked that I felt less boyish and that I felt older (I have this boyish air to me. I alternate between a boyish personality and an alpha negotiater/salesman. Personal life = boyish, Work = alpha. One of her staff was exceptionally helpful and went out of his way (early 50s) to help me check and look for discounted stock (same goods but more generic packaging, ie. meant for samples) > > I went home, took a shower and scrubbed totally clean. > > I proceeded to apply > > 1 spray of IO X2 on each wrist (2 sprays total) > 1 spray of IS X2 on my inner elbows (2 sprays total) > Half a spray of ammunition to my chest, 1 spray on my hand applied on both sides of my neck > 1 drop of A314 on my chin, 1 drop of A314 on my neck > > I then headed out to a club that I frequented with a couple of friends > > When I was there… > > A gay guy whom I’ve seen around but never talked to looked at me with strange eyes (as if he was attracted) and then came over and started talking to me.. A beta guy whom I knew later came over and gave me a prolonged hug and proceeded to engage me in a semi lengthy conversation. However other people seemed to not notice me. Some of my friends were a little weird though. Talking to some of them and some I met, for some reason they couldn’t give me eye contact when talking to me. 2 of them even had that slight “raised pitch” in voice when talking. Something like when someone is trying to “fake it” and their voice suddenly raises a little, and what they were talking to me about seemed a little superficial . > > A couple of girls came over to dance with me but that was about it. I was somehow invisible to most people (did I OD, was I ghosting or was it no effect and I was just normal and over imagining things). Somehow people felt distant > > When we went for drinks and food post clubbing, a buddy of mine sitting next to me asked me to move a little further from him. He was tired out from a week of work, but he told me that he somehow felt that he needed some space and that when I was sitting near him, he somehow had the feeling of his space being invaded. > > At drinks and food I noticed that some of my buds were more attentive when I spoke, they actually listened and accepted what I mostly said (they usually question or critique but somehow they just kind of accepted what I said) I don’t know if it was the time and since everybody was tired > > I think I need something more social like IFM And CTTM. Anyone have any recommendations? Well, first of all. the A314 sections A, B & C…are EXACTLY the same things I’ve gotten, when I 1st started wearing it. Even my own brother, said one day…John I just feel like you’ve matured so much, like you’re a grown man.🙂 Coming from my brother I was sooo touched, ofcourse I just stood there with the pride only a little brother could have. As well as women and girls…yes I also find that my jokes aren’t laughed at they way they normally are…like I’m the principal or something…that’s why when I go out now I always temper my A314 with IS, and other molocules…take the seriousness away from it. as far as IFM…the main ingrediant in that is A1.[Check here.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668) and read all about it. CTTM2 was availble a few months ago in a tester, not there now but you can just wear IO on your neck as a sub for now. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/4 "2011-03-26T05:29:41Z")
Heading out in a while for dinner with a couple of friends. The girl I’m interested in will be in the group. However I will be in enclosed spaces (rooms/cars) and there are others in the group. Is it appropriate to wear TUTH (any negative repercussions) around them as there will be guys around too? I was thinking of going 1 drop of A314 half below nose half on throat 2 sprays of IO (2x) one on each wrist 3 sprays of IS (2x) one on each inner elbow, one to my throat 1 spray of ammo on my chest 1 spray of TUTH to my stomach 2 sprays of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (10mcg per spray) 1 each to the side of my neck 1 spray of IG on my chest ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/5 "2011-03-26T08:41:10Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > Well, first of all. the A314 sections A, B & C…are EXACTLY the same things I’ve gotten, when I 1st started wearing it. > > Even my own brother, said one day…John I just feel like you’ve matured so much, like you’re a grown man.🙂 Coming from my brother I was sooo touched, ofcourse I just stood there with the pride only a little brother could have. > > As well as women and girls…yes I also find that my jokes aren’t laughed at they way they normally are…like I’m the principal or something…that’s why when I go out now I always temper my A314 with IS, and other molocules…take the seriousness away from it. > > as far as IFM…the main ingrediant in that is A1.[Check here.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668) and read all about it. CTTM2 was availble a few months ago in a tester, not there now but you can just wear IO on your neck as a sub for now. Seems like alot of effort to dilute and creating our own to go versions. So if I need a IFM substitute is A1 the only solution? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/6 "2011-03-26T13:47:22Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > Heading out in a while for dinner with a couple of friends. The girl I’m interested in will be in the group. However I will be in enclosed spaces (rooms/cars) and there are others in the group. > > Is it appropriate to wear TUTH (any negative repercussions) around them as there will be guys around too? > > I was thinking of going > > 1 drop of A314 half below nose half on throat > 2 sprays of IO (2x) one on each wrist > 3 sprays of IS (2x) one on each inner elbow, one to my throat > 1 spray of ammo on my chest > 1 spray of TUTH to my stomach > 2 sprays of P83 (10mcg per spray) 1 each to the side of my neck > 1 spray of IG on my chest I’m not trying to be mean, but why after reporting that you wore too many [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in the first post and made your friend uncomfortable, would you decide that it’s a good idea to wear MORE? You are adding the same molecules in different ratios on top of each other. A314 IG Ammo IO and TUTH all share things in common. You could simplify the mix a lot and reduce the amount of pheromones to a tolerable level by just using Ishine AMMO and P83. Slow down and take it easy. Overloading on mones can be fun as heck but only after you learn how to work with them instead of hoping they’ll do the work for you. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/7 "2011-03-26T15:28:17Z")
Have you read K-Train’s A1 guide and the other A1 threads? A1 is not the easiest phero to use and not really a beginners ine either. IFM was stopped for good reasion and there are viable alternatives that don’t have the depressive issues. Can’t say a lot about CTTM but I did test CTTM2 a while back and that was interesting - made me rather popular in a gay karaoke bar! :hmm: That is a big mix - esp with IO in it and a number of the other pheros also contain alpha & beta androstenol - so I would suggest dropping at least the IO. In fact I’m wary of anything that uses A314 and IO together - IME they don’t complement each other at all well. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/8 "2011-03-26T16:04:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > Seems like alot of effort to dilute and creating our own to go versions. So if I need a IFM substitute is A1 the only solution? Yup. the only way…but Im also curious as to what you have to say about renny’s question. More doesn’t mean better, esp when you’ve already od ---
**Author:** ![BadBoysDriveAudi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/badboysdriveaudi/32/2292_2.png) [@BadBoysDriveAudi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BadBoysDriveAudi)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-and-similar-products-to-cttm-ifm/49536/9 "2011-03-27T02:05:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > Heading out in a while for dinner with a couple of friends. The girl I’m interested in will be in the group. However I will be in enclosed spaces (rooms/cars) and there are others in the group. > > Is it appropriate to wear TUTH (any negative repercussions) around them as there will be guys around too? > > I was thinking of going > > 1 drop of A314 half below nose half on throat > 2 sprays of IO (2x) one on each wrist > 3 sprays of IS (2x) one on each inner elbow, one to my throat > 1 spray of ammo on my chest > 1 spray of TUTH to my stomach > 2 sprays of P83 (10mcg per spray) 1 each to the side of my neck > 1 spray of IG on my chest I guess I don’t talk much here but I think this is a situation where I actually have something valuable to say. As one that first came here, bought up a bunch of stuff and then sprayed myself with everything I had at one time, I think it was just way too much. And I think that will be the situation with you too as well. It’s just too much. In fact, when I read this I thought “good gosh…you just had a negative effect with wearing a lot and…and…you’re putting on MORE?!?” Less is more. Less is more. Less is more. There are some great threads on here regarding going slow and learning your sweet spots and/or learning what each product does individually. I couldn’t be bothered with that when I first received my goodies but now I wish I had. So my advice would be twofold: First, ask yourself what type of outcome would you like to create? Then use only those products that are best suited to achieving that outcome rather than throwing your whole army at it and hoping for the best. Second, take the time to learn and understand each of your tools. That doesn’t sound glamorous (quite honestly, it’s not) but it will give you a deeper understanding and appreciation for what you have in front of you. I’m not trying to play father figure here; I’m just giving you my perspective as one who feels like he wasted a lot of product before getting to that AHA! moment.