# Intro: New Kid On The Block **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 10, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964 "2007-10-10T14:36:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/1 "2007-10-10T14:36:11Z")
Greetings to PheroTalk! So I found out about this place by reading the forums at another place. I found that other place while doing research. What kind of research??? Marital. Brace yourselves…or scroll past the italics. 🙂 _My wife left me. We’re a young couple, married 3 years next month. She’s expressed dissatisfaction quite a bit over the past year, and I wasn’t responsive enough. I didn’t really understand what was going on, what was going wrong. I wasn’t always satisfied either, but I figured it would work itself out. Well… it hasn’t. She left earlier this year for several weeks. We still co-habitated, but we were “done”. I had a serious realization of just how much I could appreciate and love her, and this caused me to want her back big time._ _My efforts were fruitless. In june, we had a large family gathering to celebrate our son’s first birthday. We had such a great time (especially since I just stopped pressuring her at this point), that she wanted to give it another shot._ _We wanted it to work, but didn’t know what to do…so we did more of the same. Of course, by doing more of the same, we got more of the same. She hoped it would get better, and told me that it was…but she could only fake it so long. Then she couldn’t take being unhappy any longer. We had grown apart. I was no longer attractive to her, and she felt no emotional connection to me. Physical contact and deep long stares had become awkward. It was over and she moved out about 2 months ago._ _I desperately want us to work if we can make it work, but right now, she doesn’t want to try. My research has told me that the situation is all too common, and that I need to change her mind by changing me. I’m fine with that, since all these changes I’m trying to make are ones that I am enjoying. I’m not trying to be something I can’t be, just better than I am now. I understand that she is unhappy, and that staying in this loveless relationship must seem like a death sentence. Most of the time, I’m not mad at her, because this has really become a positive experience for me. If we can make it through this, we will be so much better for it. Even if we don’t, I know this is a great experience, that she wasn’t WRONG, and that things will be ok eventually. A little commitment from her to sticking it through the roughest patches would be nice though lol._ Anyway, I know pheremones won’t do the work for me. Believe me, I am putting a lot of work into saving my marriage. The thing is, it seems that because she no longer feels that connection to me, I can’t get my foot in the door yet. I may as well be trying to court a family member. A surprise hug from behind, or a look that lasts too long is no longer sweet, it’s uncomfortable or creepy. I started with pherone M-11 and have tried Alpha 7, along with sample packs of Perception Gel, The Edge Gel, and The Edge Wipe. I don’t feel like I have really gotten much out of any of them. One day, I tried the Edge wipe with some A7, and seemed to get some results, but the wipe was only a sample, and there is nothing conclusive about one day…more wipes are on the way though (I really like the smell). I do feel a “buzz” from M-11 and A7…but I still dont notice any outside results from my wife or anyone else…I’m thinking of starting over. Either I need more than usual, or I’ve fallen into OD territory. Before finding this place I also ordered a begginer special from the other guys, some Scent of Eros, and Androstadienone. I’ll be picking those up at the post office today. I’m thinking of ordering some “To Go” items, and giving them a trial run…maybe sprays will be easier to handle? What do you guys think? Any recommendations? I’m really open to just about anything when it comes to my situation, so feel free to ask and/or advise. Here are my stats: Sex: Male Age: 23 this month. Height: 5’ 6" …maybe 5’ 7".. Not sure Weight: 140 (I’ve lost a lot of weight this year, I’m working on bringing the muscles back lol) Blood: O+ Location: North Carolina Occupation: Marine Musician (rehearse, perform, and march a lot. I work with my wife.) Ethnicity: Mom= Guatemala Dad= Colombia. People often think me native american, or greek or all sorts of stuff. I don’t know lol or even how much it matters, I’m just saying not everyone thinks I “look hispanic”. My Wife Age: 22 Height: 5’ 9".. I think Weight: Probably 155-160 Blood: A- Ethnicity: Caucasian Thanks for reading, and for any information you might bring to the table. I look forward to sharing my success stories. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/2 "2007-10-10T19:43:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyway, I know pheremones won’t do the work for me. Believe me, I am putting a lot of work into saving my marriage. Hello Welcome to the forum 🙂 I am glad you said this part because mones cant save a marriage but they can enhance it. I think you may have gone into the OD zone. Your 22 years old and your having a Anonarama over there. Its probably why the edge wipes seem to work for you. You get less from a wipe in my opinion which in your case was good. You need some communication mones. IH is my #1 pick for you. Then IO and some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). I also think you would benefit from some A314. The alpha respect mone. It gives a trusting secure vibe which women dig. Cut back on your Anone consumption 😉 I am not saying get rid of it just use smaller amounts. A314 has none in it but it has 16 other mones so it shouldnt send you into OD zone. Be sure to join in down in the forum and read the mens stickies. Hang in there, Best of luck Tisha ---
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/3 "2007-10-10T22:30:51Z")
Thanks for your response! Man! I was terrified for a minute… I saw instant honesty on the list and thought "_How much more honesty can I take?_ …“_I don’t love you like that anymore" “I feel no emotional connection to you anymore” “I’m not acctracted to you anymore” "I’m just not happy_” " Then, I read the product description page and saw this: "What we don’t say on the bottle is that it’s not just instant honesty, but in some cases (most often with those you’ve known for a while), Instant Intimacy. The closing of gaps between people that you often wished weren’t there. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) can make almost anything _deeper._ I’m really excited reading about instant shine. My divorcebusting coach currently has me trying to pull away from her in order to give her the space she desires, freeing her from my smothering and giving her a chance to miss me. She seems a little more interested in what I do sometimes, but doesn’t seem like she misses me at all ☹ In pulling away, i’m also tasked with seeming more interesting and having more fun. I’m going out with friends (unusual for me), and trying to have more fun at work. But I often still feel down about the whole thing, and though I often feel like I do a good job of hiding it, my friends are honest enough to tell me when I look pathetic, or interested enough to constantly ask me “Are you sure you’re OK?”. On top of that, sometimes I feel invisible…which means I am not having fun with my friends, which means I don’t seem fun or interesting, which means I’m not making myself more attractive to my spouse. This makes me feel worse, and the cycle continues. I read a sticky today that mentioned “the ghost effect” from -none OD. Hope instant shine can help me out here. Any application recommendations? I feel like hair would probably be good since she’s a bit taller…but which one goes where lol? P.S. I hope that by including a lot of personal details in these posts that someone else might benefit should they stumble upon my thread while standing in my shoes. Oh yeah…this one is way off-topic, but **the person holding the products in the pictures has absolutely awesome hands!** I’ve been back and forth with nail biting my whole life. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/4 "2007-10-11T00:04:25Z")
Welcome. I wish you the best of luck. Please let us know how things go. I am not too hopeful, but I know you’ll put your heart into your efforts. It will be interesting to see what kind of responses you get. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/5 "2007-10-11T00:32:21Z")
> [@nkotb](#): > > I started with pherone M-11 and have tried Alpha 7, along with sample packs of Perception Gel, The Edge Gel, and The Edge Wipe. I don’t feel like I have really gotten much out of any of them. One day, I tried the Edge wipe with some A7, and seemed to get some results, but the wipe was only a sample, and there is nothing conclusive about one day…more wipes are on the way though (I really like the smell). I do feel a “buzz” from M-11 and A7…but I still dont notice any outside results from my wife or anyone else…I’m thinking of starting over. Either I need more than usual, or I’ve fallen into OD territory. > > Before finding this place I also ordered a begginer special from the other guys, some Scent of Eros, and Androstadienone. I’ll be picking those up at the post office today. I’m thinking of ordering some “To Go” items, and giving them a trial run…maybe sprays will be easier to handle? What do you guys think? Any recommendations? I’m really open to just about anything when it comes to my situation, so feel free to ask and/or advise. Here are my stats: > > Sex: Male > Age: 23 this month. > Height: 5’ 6" …maybe 5’ 7".. Not sure > Weight: 140 (I’ve lost a lot of weight this year, I’m working on bringing the muscles back lol) > Blood: O+ > Location: North Carolina > Occupation: Marine Musician (rehearse, perform, and march a lot. I work with my wife.) > Ethnicity: Mom= Guatemala Dad= Colombia. People often think me native american, or greek or all sorts of stuff. I don’t know lol or even how much it matters, I’m just saying not everyone thinks I “look hispanic”. > > My Wife > Age: 22 > Height: 5’ 9".. I think > Weight: Probably 155-160 > Blood: A- > Ethnicity: Caucasian > > Thanks for reading, and for any information you might bring to the table. I look forward to sharing my success stories. At your age, SOE should do you well = AMMO here A drop of A7 smeared between your fingers and place on each side of your neck cover with SOE. Add a drop or two of A-1 to your wrist. As for here and your age, and don’t forget the only way to find out is to test test test, and do some more testing … AMMO, SHINE, A314, IO, and IH, I would highly advise you to experiment with. You can test the other products later. Good luck, and I hope that your heart gets fed. My 2 pennies. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/6 "2007-10-11T23:51:46Z")
So here is todays progress. I also post my story at LS (the thread is called “Attracting My Wife - Help!”), because I’m trying to get as much input as possible. I think I got a little too excited with my mones today, but at least I didn’t feel like the A7 ghost that I was last week and the beginning of this week: This morning I used the edge and scent of eros. The band had a rehearsal and performance outside, and I was suddenly cold and windy today… nothing interesting, but in those settings, there isn’t much social interaction anyway. After lunch, I refreshed the SoE and felt really good. I think my wife could tell cuz she was friendlier and smiling at me a lot more. Before she left for the day, I put a little more SoE on and we caught each other in the parking lot. Definitely more smiling and laughing than I’m used to. She didn’t seem to want to get away from me the way she normally does. I even made a joke about her changing her mind (dangerous territory) and she chuckled and smiled! I know she hasn’t changed her mind at all, but the fact that she reacted like that to that joke makes me happy. I would have expected a quiet cold glare. I watched our son for a few hours while she ran an errand tonight, and before she came to get him I showered and scrrruuubbed. Then I used 6 or 7 drops of A1 (I keep reading that more can be better with this mone) and covered with SoE. I could still smell the A1, so I used a little versace metal jeans to cover. Same thing…laughing, smiling, and I felt really good, if a bit heady. I think I probably should have applied maybe twenty minutes before she came and not ten…I dunno. I’m excited about this stuff, and even if it doesn’t work on her (time will tell). I feel better, and i believe it shows enough to help my interactions. Once I get my coupon I’ll probably pick up shine, honesty, openess, maybe ammo, and a314 (It looks like Ill be getting this from LS…smartmones is out of stock right now). ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/7 "2007-10-12T02:21:07Z")
Man you are going to be amazing here. I cannot wait to read more of your posts on your experiments. You can tell by your thoroughness you’re a Marine. I know it’s cliché, but coming from an old Army soldier many years ago Thanks for being a Marine. I am sending your GC via marching band to your email They are not really that good and sometimes end up knocking over walls and breaking stuff. I think you might do them good if you drill them and get them in order. Then the next time I need to use them to deliver an email maybe I wont get a damage bill. Listen though, you are doing what needs to be done and that’s what’s important. Good luck in your relationship. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2007, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/8 "2007-10-12T03:14:32Z")
> [@nkotb](#): > > So here is todays progress. I also post my story at LS (the thread is called “Attracting My Wife - Help!”), because I’m trying to get as much input as possible. I think I got a little too excited with my pheromones today, but at least I didn’t feel like the A7 ghost that I was last week and the beginning of this week: > > This morning I used the edge and scent of eros. The band had a rehearsal and performance outside, and I was suddenly cold and windy today… nothing interesting, but in those settings, there isn’t much social interaction anyway. > > After lunch, I refreshed the Scent of Eros and felt really good. I think my wife could tell cuz she was friendlier and smiling at me a lot more. Before she left for the day, I put a little more SoE on and we caught each other in the parking lot. Definitely more smiling and laughing than I’m used to. She didn’t seem to want to get away from me the way she normally does. I even made a joke about her changing her mind (dangerous territory) and she chuckled and smiled! I know she hasn’t changed her mind at all, but the fact that she reacted like that to that joke makes me happy. I would have expected a quiet cold glare. > > I watched our son for a few hours while she ran an errand tonight, and before she came to get him I showered and scrrruuubbed. Then I used 6 or 7 drops of Androstadienone (I keep reading that more can be better with this pheromone) and covered with SoE. I could still smell the Androstadienone, so I used a little versace metal jeans to cover. Same thing…laughing, smiling, and I felt really good, if a bit heady. I think I probably should have applied maybe twenty minutes before she came and not ten…I dunno. > > I’m excited about this stuff, and even if it doesn’t work on her (time will tell). I feel better, and i believe it shows enough to help my interactions. > > Once I get my coupon I’ll probably pick up shine, honesty, openess, maybe ammo, and A314 (It looks like Ill be getting this from LS…smartmones is out of stock right now). You can definitely tell you’re excited. Even though you’re experimenting … let SOE do its job … sometimes it’s more potent after long periods of being on the skin, and that depends on your skin. DO NOT cover A-1 with SOE, let it sit out by itself … you can use colonge to cover your application points, but not SOE, for it will take too much time to get out into the air. You can cover TE gel with the SOE … that, pretty much, works wonders with a nice cover scent. Good luck annnnnnnnnd … Stay the course. ---
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2007, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/9 "2007-10-12T10:32:00Z")
Steveo, thank you very much for the kind words. M&M, thanks! The info in your post is definitely good to know. I kept re-applying the SoE because I read several posts that made it seem that it didn’t last long… I guess they were reffering to the scent and not the potency. I’ll adjust accordingly. As for the A1, does that mean that I should only cover with a cologne spray and not a different scented oil? I’m guessing it’s the oil in SoE that keeps the A1 in? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/10 "2007-10-12T15:21:50Z")
> [@nkotb](#): > > M&M, thanks! The info in your post is definitely good to know. I kept re-applying the Scent of Eros because **I read several posts that made it seem that it didn’t last long… I guess they were reffering to the scent and not the potency.** 3-8 hours depending … heat & sweating may keep it to the basic … 3-4 hours. My thoughts. > [@nkotb](#): > > As for the Androstadienone, does that mean that I should only cover with a cologne spray and not a different scented oil? I’m guessing it’s the oil in SoE that keeps the Androstadienone in? Still just my thoughts. When dealing with felines, you want A-1 out there relaxing & caressing at all times. Oils only delays that, and I don’t think you’d want to DELAY it … covering it with a cologne doesn’t block it or prolong it from getting into the air. When I use A-1 I put a drop behind each ear, and a drop split between the wrists … it works! Sometimes I go with that application + a drop to each should (applied to shirt/t-shirt). People say its for that time of the month, but it works magic during the whole month! 😉 A-1 there = [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) here. Happy hunting! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/11 "2007-10-14T23:58:53Z")
So last night, I went over to a friends house. He and his wife were helping me learn to dance. My wife and I always said we didn’t like dancing, but now that she’s left, her girlfriends often take her out. I want to finally get out of my wallflower shell. More on dancing to come… Just before I pulled in, I pulled out the Scent of Eros. Neck, Forearms, lil’ bit in the hair. After a few minutes, my friends were talkative, and acting pretty goofy with each other. His wife apologized “Sorry, we’re really hyper” He agreed “yeah, we’re just hyper”. I asked if they were hyper for long, curious to see if I was the cause. They told me that they hadn’t been hyper long and that they didn’t know why they were. I’m thinking hyper=social/playful/goofy, and don’t know why= Scent of Eros. Still new to this…Is it safe to call that a hit? Dancing: Next saturday is the Marine Birthday Ball. Basically, every year, Marines celebrate the birthday of the Marine Corps: 10 November 1775 Anyway, I fully intend to dance and be seen dancing. My most important (and scariest) goal is to have a good time doing it. I definitely feel like instant shine will have a place in my pocket that night. Maybe it could help me get over myself? Along with AMMO, it might make it easier to pick up dance partners. How’s that sound? Suggestions on products/dosing? I still don’t have any Androtics products yet (hopefully ill get my coupon tonight. If not, Ill just order and use it some other time.), but I plan on getting ToGo’s of Shine, Honesty, Openess, Female Magic, and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), and some A314. That will be my arsenal One more question… I read posts where some people say they produce enough none and don’t need much or any to supplement with. Can I find out how much of a particular phero I produce? Or is it just based on experience (how much it takes to get OD effects)? ---
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/12 "2007-10-15T00:11:19Z")
Oh yeah, for the Ball, I will be in my Dress Blue uniform… Thick fabric, collar is a bit high, with long sleeves. Do I stick with the usual applications points (wrist, neck)? If so, do I apply before I put the uniform on, or apply to the uniform itself? Extremely unlikely: Say my wife suddenly feels attracted to me at the ball, we dance, get close, and end up in the sack… do I reapply after getting out of uniform? Snook has a great “Big Book of Pheros..” sticky…anyone ever consider writing an actual phero handbook for beginners? Thanks (Weird, this post got posted before the one I wrote before it. If you read this post and it seemed out of place…come back later and maybe the other post will have come up) ---
**Author:** ![nkotb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nkotb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nkotb)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/13 "2007-10-24T01:22:03Z")
So my order didn’t get here before the ball as I had expected it to. SoE and A1 were the supplies to be used this time around… Friday: Getting ready to depart (after a CRAZY morning) for the ball. She comes over to pick up our son, SoE goes on. She is very friendly and smiley. I’ve been getting this more and more since starting my use of Scent of Eros. I talked her into departing for the ball on friday instead of saturday. This surprised me, because she really din’t have a reason to go on friday, if anything it would just mean she was stuck having me around more… Anyway, we both went that day, but seperately. We got down there (south carolina) and got our room. I went out to dinner with friends, and she walked on the beach alone. I got back to the hotel, showered and applied SoE and A1. When she got back, we had a rough start, but eventually warmed up very well to each other. We hugged twice that evening and they were the best hugs we’ve had in a long time. That might sound weird, but it had really been a long time since our hugs were anything but uncomfortable and awkward. This was warm, connected and lasted a LONG time for a hug. She even mentioned how comfortable it was. Saturday: Woke up, went to a nearby market, came back with goods, and made breakfast with we ate on the patio of our suite. Showered, and she invited me to go to the beach with her (she never invites me anywhere). SoE and A1 again. We spent the afternoon on the beach. It was nice, laughing, talking, smiling. Talking is still in need of some help. We just have nothing to say sometimes. As we are getting more comfortable again, we are finding more to say, but like I said…more work there. We got ready for, and left to the ball. I scrubbed well in the shower before getting ready, and at the ball I broke out SoE. I told my best friend that I wanted him to try something with me. We both applied SoE together, and went about our evening. I talked to a few of the girls there, but got wrapped up talking to one in particular. I definitely think I was have phero-results. Now, since the only girl i’m trying to pick up is my wife, it was just a nice conversation, but I definitely think I could have picked her up. At one point my friend (also wearing SoE) came up to me and said “Whatever that is, give me more! It works!!” Later he and I applied edge wipes. The party died down early that night, so I saw nothing from edge, but he ended hanging out with this girl for a while, one who I normally would think was very out of his league. Got back, showered and scrubbed… SoE/A1..another good night with the wife. Sunday: Showered and scrubbed…SoE/A1 for the ride home..together this time. Nice day, nice 3 hour car ride. Later that night, she called me…FOR NO REASON! She never does that anymore! She told me “she was just thinking about me and wanted to check up”. Very unusual. Things are still very platonic, but seem to be going in the right direction. I have to start moving my mountain by moving small stones. Question..is there a way to relocate this thread? Since it has become more of a log, I think it might be better suited to another section of the forum. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/14 "2007-11-12T22:36:31Z")
Unfortunately, at this time figuring out your own “phero signature” (eg the level of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) you yourself produce naturally) is still apretty much hit or miss thing based mostly on experiementation. There are some very general guidelines out there. Supposedly younger men produce more androstenone than older men. Also those with blood type O are supposed to be natural androstenone producers. There have been some reports that those with more fat seem to have a bit higher androstenol prodution. But it’s mostly speculation. Most users just have to start somewhere and experiment. Most usually either get a basic mix like Ammunition and experiment with it. Some will go to the extent of ordering bottles of just straight pheromones (ie a bottle of androstenone, one of androstenol, etc) and experimenting with them one at a time, usually starting with a very low dose and working up over time. This can be slow, and exensive. Depends on how much time, work, and money you want to put into it. My thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![The\_W](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_w/32/1104_2.png) [@The\_W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_W)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/15 "2007-11-13T00:52:51Z")
Good to read you’re making progress man… ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/intro-new-kid-on-the-block/5964/16 "2007-11-13T03:57:13Z")
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