# Io + ih = cttm2?

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [October 19, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408 "2009-10-19T02:46:51Z")\
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**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/1 "2009-10-19T02:46:51Z")

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Just curious if IO and IH together create the same effect as CTTM2, because I’d rather just buy the one then spend money on those 2

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**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/2 "2009-10-19T03:07:58Z")

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Effectively, yes. There are a couple of buffers in each, but IO is basically 70% A’Nol and 30 % B-Nol. IH is 70% b-Nol and 30 % A’nol.

CTTM2 is 50-50 of each.

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**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/3 "2009-10-19T05:02:54Z")

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I think IO has taf and IH has TAA

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**Author:** ![Nicklaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Nicklaus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nicklaus)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/4 "2009-10-19T08:06:20Z")

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I know TAA gives [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) its effects. But what does TAF do?

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**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/5 "2009-10-19T14:43:12Z")

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> [@Nicklaus](#):
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> I know TAA gives Instant Shine its effects. But what does TAF do?

FOCUS. In small amounts (at least for me) it does a great job of driving other pheros forward but by itelf it also works very well to focus on the task at hand. Just for fun I once combined TAF with [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) (I think it was Diane who gave me the idea) and I felt like I had OCD because I couldn’t stop cleaning everything. I had Monk-itis. Search the forums and you will find a ton of posts on the effects TAF has had on others here.

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**Author:** ![TheGoon6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegoon6/32/435_2.png) [@TheGoon6](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGoon6)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/6 "2009-10-19T16:20:05Z")

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I’m actually interested in this too. I’ve been told to use IO and IH together a few times, and would much rather get one bottle than 2 others, haha.

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**Author:** ![rhuang22](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rhuang22/32/636_2.png) [@rhuang22](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rhuang22)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/7 "2009-10-19T17:01:49Z")

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i personally havent had any hits from cttm2. but with io and ih you can double and quadriple the strength. you would need quite a few sprays from cttm2 to get the same amount of pheros

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**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/8 "2009-10-19T22:19:44Z")

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> [@BLADE](#):
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> Effectively, yes. There are a couple of buffers in each, but IO is basically 70% A’Nol and 30 % B-Nol. IH is 70% b-Nol and 30 % A’nol.
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> CTTM2 is 50-50 of each.

> [@djandarial](#):
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> I think IO has taf and IH has TAA

Facts from the store:

[Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) has two human pheromones.  
Instant Honesty has Three! human Pheromones (Actually, this is a surprise to me, I honestly thought it was two! every where on the forum states 2)

The thing is, even though I got my information about IO /IH as being only anol/bnol in differernt ratios only from searching he forums, I swear I read it was an anol/bnol only mix on their store pages, hence why I was happy claiming they were in past posts of mine! scary…

Providing the store didn’t do a typo, then:

Instant Openness 70:30 anol:bnol.  
Instant Honesty 30:70 anol:bnol.

If Instant Honesty does Honestly (look, I made a joke!) contain three pheromones then IO+IH does not = CTTM2

CTTM2 is also an expeimone so I’m not sure if it has been officially stated as being 50:50 anol:bnol only but I’m sure it is…

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**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/9 "2009-10-19T22:37:24Z")

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> [@lukus](#):
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> Facts from the store:
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> Instant Openness has two human pheromones.  
> Instant Honesty has Three! human Pheromones (Actually, this is a surprise to me, I honestly thought it was two! every where on the forum states 2)
> 
> The thing is, even though I got my information about IO /IH as being only anol/bnol in differernt ratios only from searching he forums, I swear I read it was an anol/bnol only mix on their store pages, hence why I was happy claiming they were in past posts of mine! scary…
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> Providing the store didn’t do a typo, then:
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> Instant Openness 70:30 anol:bnol.  
> Instant Honesty 30:70 anol:bnol.
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> If Instant Honesty does Honestly (look, I made a joke!) contain three pheromones then IO+IH does not = CTTM2
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> CTTM2 is also an expeimone so I’m not sure if it has been officially stated as being 50:50 anol:bnol only but I’m sure it is…

Well yeah, thats all statistics, but we’re dealing with body chemistry here, which is for the most part an un-exact science :-p

Going on what Blade said, I hope it has the same effect…

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**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/10 "2009-10-19T23:07:10Z")

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> [@Zansteps](#):
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> Well yeah, thats all statistics, but we’re dealing with body chemistry here, which is for the most part an un-exact science :-p
> 
> Going on what Blade said, I hope it has the same effect…

Body chemistry does not come into play when comparing three products on their ability to be mixed together and make another branded product.

My point is that, from what I was aware of, everyone believes IO, IH and CTTM2 to be anol and bnol mixes only. In the special case of CTTM2, it is possible to create this with equal sprays of IO and IH (though now I wonder if this is still the case)…

Since the store states IH as having three [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) (and the female version apparantly has 4) to me this creates some key points:

1. The addition of a third pheromone means that claims of it being mixed to create CTTM2 is inaccurate even if it is only slightly unless CTTM2 does contain this extra pheromone also.
2. If there is a third pheromone, we can not state the accuracy of the 30:70 ratio claim. If this was wrong, its possible some of the designated pheromones could also be wrong.

Since I expect you created this thread because you read about mixing IO +IH to make CTTM2, I think it is relavent to mention this information… I see no point in stating CTTM2 as being the same as IO+IH if this is not true.

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**Author:** ![Zansteps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zansteps/32/2407_2.png) [@Zansteps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zansteps)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/11 "2009-10-19T23:12:15Z")

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Dang lukus, I meant no offence (you sound kinda angry/stern). I didn’t mean literal mixing of the actual chemicals. I meant just using them in conjunction with one another. I’m not skilled enough to actually mix them on a molecular level.

So yes, I understand that chemically they are not the same, but in a social setting would the same apparent effects be produced?

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**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/12 "2009-10-19T23:34:51Z")

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Lol Zansteps, I don’t get offended over the internet, sorry it sounded like that.. -.-. \<3

If you use Instant Honesty and Instant Openess, yes you will get a similar effect to CTTM2. One spray of Openness with one spray of Honesty is supposed to be identical to 2 sprays of CTTM2.

The products are the same in that they all have two identical pheromones in them. Only the ratios are different. Hopefully I have not confused you 🙂 I thought you were aware of this, and as I was going to reply I noticed the store said 3 pheromones than my expectations of 2 hence some extra information.

CTTM2 will create similar results to those two products. Its an ‘all rounder’ friendly /chatty social [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/). IO is mostly a friendly product and IH is mostly a deep chatty product - CTTM2 kinda of in the middle.

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**Author:** ![deca2708](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ab097/32.png) [@deca2708](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deca2708)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-ih-cttm2/33408/13 "2009-11-21T06:10:32Z")

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sorry to wake up this thread,  
so basically in a simpler term, it’s a yes?

IO(70a/30b)  
15mcg/spray  
= 10.5anol + 4.5 bnol.

IH(30a/70b)  
15mcg/spray  
= 4.5 anol + 10.5 bnol

IO + IH = 15 anol + 15 bnol

CTTM2 = (50a/50b)  
20mcg/spray  
= 10 anol + 10 bnol

IO + IH = 15anol + 15 bnol = 1.5 spray CTTM2

.:. same effect?

or IO and IH contains TAF(from IS) which is not in CTTM2?

so that makes it different? no?