# IO, TUTH, AMMO, + IS? Good mix or nah? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 24, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954 "2013-01-24T14:50:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/1 "2013-01-24T14:50:53Z")
Topic pretty much says it all. I’ve been asking throughout a couple threads with no real results. First I’ll start off by explaining who I am, so maybe that would help. I’m 20, half Hispanic, half Caucasian. I’m a near perfect blend of extrovert/introvert, I have been complimented to a large extent on my facial features, but I have a pretty average - slim body. Nothing ridiculously muscular or ripped ☹. Sometimes I’m the life of the party, sometimes I’m the loan kid sipping on his cup in the corner. Depends on my mood, but I already have the natural talent to flirt with women and I can do so, if I actually put effort into it, with awesome success. I party a lot at Rutger’s in New Brunswick, NJ (AKA Slutger’s 🙄). I’m looking for a great party/sexual/house party/frat party mix. Also, probably an important thing to note, I OD super easy. 1 spray of Chikara was always my sweet spot with AWESOME effects. Even half a spray more would result in ghosting. I bought 4 to-go version of IO, TUTH, AMMO, and IS and they should be in tomorrow 😃. Would one spray of each be a great mix? How would they balance out? Would one counterbalance another? Also, please note the Ammo is the summer edition, which I heard is better for attracting girls my own age. Tips? Tricks? Advice? I will be forever indebted!!! 😛 P.S. I bought [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/), but after hearing some bad stuff about it, I plan on calling to switch to a different product? Recommendations? Like I said, I want it to be sexual. My personality can match any situation, so all suggestions greatly appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/2 "2013-01-24T15:18:39Z")
Oh, and any recommendations for combining these with my left over Chikara? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/3 "2013-01-24T16:09:07Z")
Without finding your sweet spot for each of them, simply banging-on a spray of each would not be that brilliant an idea - Especially as you have already found that a slight miscalculation in dose can result in OD/ghosting. Initially once you have your best dose for each, then add in a second product, then work through the combinations before bringing-in another variable. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/4 "2013-01-24T16:13:57Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Without finding your sweet spot for each of them, simply banging-on a spray of each would not be that brilliant an idea - Especially as you have already found that a slight miscalculation in dose can result in OD/ghosting. > > Initially once you have your best dose for each, then add in a second product, then work through the combinations before bringing-in another variable. Any suggestions on mixes that for the most part that work pretty much across the board? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/5 "2013-01-24T16:23:51Z")
Ammo and IS or Ammo and IO are two excellent basic mixes that will work very well in a fairly wide range of situations. TUTH and IO is a good club/party mix - very sexual, so don’t wear it to work, school or church, where it is likely to backfire. Don’t ditch the [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) just yet - At your age you are likely already producing a good amount of none, so can use it as sexual quite effectively. MX297 is one of the most effective social and socially engaging mixes there is - a club/party mix that has few equals! Around women your age it hits all the right spots and IME, you can sexualise it very effectively by adding-in a spray of TUTH. Also check out the “MX297 Mix Repository” thread for a lot more advice on using it very effectively. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/6 "2013-01-24T16:56:28Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Ammo and IS or Ammo and IO are two excellent basic mixes that will work very well in a fairly wide range of situations. > > TUTH and IO is a good club/party mix - very sexual, so don’t wear it to work, school or church, where it is likely to backfire. > > Don’t ditch the MX297 just yet - At your age you are likely already producing a good amount of none, so can use it as sexual quite effectively. MX297 is one of the most effective social and socially engaging mixes there is - a club/party mix that has few equals! Around women your age it hits all the right spots and IME, you can sexualise it very effectively by adding-in a spray of TUTH. > > Also check out the “MX297 Mix Repository” thread for a lot more advice on using it very effectively. Dude, you’re awesome as all hell. Well, the MX is on backorder, so I have possibly another hour to call before they ship my order to decide to swap it out for another product or keep it. I had called today to ask them to ship the 4 tonight and hold onto the MX for when it was off backorder, but now I might just change it up. Still very unsure. But really though, great, great advice. Would you suggest any replacements for [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)? Or should I just hold out and wait and just experiment with the 4 I’m getting as of right now? ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/7 "2013-01-24T17:14:54Z")
Also, can IS be used on any mix? I hear it’s a self [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/), but would it be safe to add to any of the above mixes? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/8 "2013-01-24T18:05:25Z")
MX390 is in stock. This is the same phero mix as 297 but in a light version of Ammo’s FF21 scent - It is just as good, with maybe better diffusion. After that, its a totally different feel but IG is a good smart/sociable status product for your age and goes well with Ammo, IO and TUTH - A314 is also a possible but more limited as it is a different, much older status feel that can be difficult on younger guys/around younger women. Yes, IS does complement a lot of pheros very well indeed and can be used in most situations, including the above. OD is not a great problem either but you can feel a bit tired/drained with high dose/topups after a few hours. Also, it will not moderate TUTH as effectively as IO, [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)/390 but again, it is usable alongside TUTH in clubs/raunchy situations to help make TUTH’s raw sexuality more acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/9 "2013-01-24T23:59:59Z")
So it would seem I definitely need something with TUTH. Seems like it needs some lubrication or some people would be turned off. So does this sound good: 1 x spray [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), 1/2 x spray TUTH, 1 x spray IS, 1 x Spray IO? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/10 "2013-01-25T02:01:53Z")
Go with just the Ammo or TUTH out until you know your doses - Both Ammo and TUTH contain the same amount of Androstenone, whilst Ammo and IO both contain Alphanol. So you can end-up going into OD on the none (most likely at your age), or having the combined Alphanol drowning everything else in the mix. Better to stick to one none-based product as your primary and use one or maybe two (probably IS!) others to moderate it in different directions. Saying that, you could add-in a small amount of TUTH when say, transitioning from a pub/polite social to a club/party atmosphere - you can generally manage a more overt signature in these environments at any age. Mixing too many products also runs the risk of sending a confused and overcomplex signal, when a more simple and straightforward can often work far better, esp around strangers. Its a different thing if you get into single molecules of course but all the instants/consumer line have multiple mones to begin with - so in that lot, you have to balance/consider around a dozen different molecules, five of which are undisclosed, which makes the task harder - so things are already getting pretty complex. The concept of “less is more,” is very appropriate to phero use. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/11 "2013-01-25T12:20:20Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Go with just the Ammo or TUTH out until you know your doses - Both Ammo and TUTH contain the same amount of Androstenone, whilst Ammo and IO both contain Alphanol. So you can end-up going into OD on the none (most likely at your age), or having the combined Alphanol drowning everything else in the mix. Better to stick to one none-based product as your primary and use one or maybe two (probably IS!) others to moderate it in different directions. > > Saying that, you could add-in a small amount of TUTH when say, transitioning from a pub/polite social to a club/party atmosphere - you can generally manage a more overt signature in these environments at any age. > > Mixing too many products also runs the risk of sending a confused and overcomplex signal, when a more simple and straightforward can often work far better, esp around strangers. Its a different thing if you get into single molecules of course but all the instants/consumer line have multiple mones to begin with - so in that lot, you have to balance/consider around a dozen different molecules, five of which are undisclosed, which makes the task harder - so things are already getting pretty complex. > > The concept of “less is more,” is very appropriate to phero use. 🙂 OK, I have a review thread for which I’m reviewing my first experiences from tonight. I’m going to use 1x TUTH + 1x IO + 1x [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). Think that’d word? ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/12 "2013-01-25T12:25:55Z")
Haha I’m sorry mobocaster. I’m so excited to try all of these products, I’m suggesting too complicated mixes. I just don’t want to ghost for tonight or get negative reactions. This is considered one of the biggest party weekends here in Central Jersey, so I don’t wanna eff up my game. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/13 "2013-01-25T14:29:57Z")
With tuth and ammo in there together your turning this into a cougar mix… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/14 "2013-01-25T14:36:14Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > OK, I have a review thread for which I’m reviewing my first experiences from tonight. I’m going to use 1x TUTH + 1x IO + 1x MX297. Think that’d word? I would leave the IO out altogether - [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) is a more complex mix that promotes conversation and fun/social interaction well beyond anything IO will do - its really not needed here. And parties are where MX297 excels! 😃 As well as review threads, it is well worth starting a journal to record more day to day phero experiences. Journals also help to keep all your results together in a way that will help you gain Reporting User status soonest - which is a very worthwhile thing to get. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-tuth-ammo-is-good-mix-or-nah/57954/15 "2013-01-25T14:39:07Z")
Altho I cannot agree with mobocaster on Mx297, regardless of that, I would only start with the consumer line for now. Also don’t make that big of a deal out of something, or it will feel like it and you’ll act as if your life depended on that ;p that’s not attractive! Be laid back, you got dis.