# IO @ Work = Not the outcome I wanted **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 14, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809 "2010-08-14T20:42:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/1 "2010-08-14T20:42:35Z")
I’m on Day 3 of testing IO @ work in an attempt to find the sweet spot. Here’s some feedback. IO 2 Sprays: My Starbucks is in a grocery store, we are required any time we walk through the store to ask people “Hi, is there something I can help you find today?” or if they ask us for help to offer to take them to the product. Well, having the Starbucks uniform on you rarely get asked this. Needless to say, I felt like a ping pong ball bouncing all across this store when for 10-15 mins I kept getting asked over and over again by various people to show them products. As I kept walking back and forth by the pharmacy, the pharmacist just kept laughing and shaking her head. IO 3 Sprays: This was last night, background in case you have not read my posts. I’m top dog at my Starbucks, in fact I’m just all around alpha in the entire store. There aren’t too many guys with the exception of the Store Manager and Assistant Manager who I capitulate to. There are a lot of young buff guys that work for us, basketball / football / players, 1 wrestler, and they respect me. All the young girls treat me as the go to guy, one girl calls me “at work dad.” Inside the Kiosk, if my guys get out of line, like a bad puppy, I rub their nose in their shit and set them straight…well…that changed last night. Brian, 19 year old, extremely athletic African-American kid if whenever he was making drinks wrong on purpose out of laziness, or didn’t finish up a job / task, and I error corrected him, “yes sir, I’ll get right on that.” 3 Sprays IO, nothing else, and this guy gave me nothing but shit. Decided last night he was gonna take all the short cuts on making drinks he could and if I said something got nothing but sarcastic remarks back like, “oh yeah…sure…I’ll use the tea shaker next time.” Then next time would come, did the drink the exact same way. I would say something, smart ass comments again. Also, little guy comes in, I’m off the clock grabbing a few groceries before I leave and he’s just barking questions at me right and left bugging the living shit out of me. No, “excuse me…” or Thank yous. Even yelling at me from like 2 aisles over, “Hey…where’s the…” Being 43, overweight and only 5’ 6 1/2" I know at this stage of my life that I’m not producing as much none, so my alpha ness has always come out of survival being so small, and just the inner knowing I can take charge in pretty much any situation. So… for the rest of the weekend… 4 drops A314, nothing else… and I’m gonna act normal and post feedback to see if I get the desired outcome from him and others I come across. My conclusion is that IO works, amazingly well. But like some need a social buffer for nones, I need a none buffer for those crazy socials…LOL ---
**Author:** ![SilverShot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/silvershot/32/1385_2.png) [@SilverShot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SilverShot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/2 "2010-08-14T20:50:19Z")
Well to my knowledge, IO contains Alpha and Beta -nol, which can make you easier to talk to, but can also decrease your “alphaness” and make you seem less… intimidating, and others might think that they can take advantage of you. Some -none should help. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/3 "2010-08-14T20:52:18Z")
I agree with SS, alternatively maybe you could lower it to 2 sprays instead of 3 and see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/4 "2010-08-14T20:52:41Z")
> [@SilverShot](#): > > Well to my knowledge, IO contains Alpha and Beta -nol, which can make you easier to talk to, but can also decrease your “alphaness” and make you seem less… intimidating, and others might think that they can take advantage of you. Some -none should help. Yep, my conclusion as well. But was going in naked with IO bcuz of sweet spot testing. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/5 "2010-08-14T21:15:22Z")
> [@SilverShot](#): > > Well to my knowledge, IO contains Alpha and Beta -nol, which can make you easier to talk to, but can also decrease your “alphaness” and make you seem less… intimidating, and others might think that they can take advantage of you. Some -none should help. Androstenone can be a polar molecule. It could have made things worse with the kid. Androsterone usually will help in that environment. Moreover, there have been aggression by other males to me when wearing Androstenone and I do not recommend it when dealing with “supervisory” issues when it comes down to it. > [@thegentleman](#): > > Yep, my conclusion as well. But was going in naked with IO bcuz of sweet spot testing. ☹ It’s the things that happen when we have to do our sweet spot testing. Without [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), you would have just told him to cut the shit, you already established yourself as top dog to them, back that shit up, regardless of pheromone usage. It can only amplify what you’re showing or what the others were feeling. I would evaluate and look at the situation again and find out why this happened and why he was slacking off. It also could have been he had other things in his mind because of that. But since there are two days off in sweet spot testing anyway, I would just go with that off and see how he reacts again when it comes down to it. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/6 "2010-08-14T22:55:34Z")
This is why I prefer shine over IO as a buffer. Both have a fun feel good vibe but shine is less chatty and doesn’t seem as beta as too much IO can be ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/7 "2010-08-14T23:11:47Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Androstenone can be a polar molecule. It could have made things worse with the kid. Androsterone usually will help in that environment. Moreover, there have been aggression by other males to me when wearing Androstenone and I do not recommend it when dealing with “supervisory” issues when it comes down to it. > > It’s the things that happen when we have to do our sweet spot testing. Without pheromones, you would have just told him to cut the shit, you already established yourself as top dog to them, back that shit up, regardless of pheromone usage. It can only amplify what you’re showing or what the others were feeling. I would evaluate and look at the situation again and find out why this happened and why he was slacking off. It also could have been he had other things in his mind because of that. But since there are two days off in sweet spot testing anyway, I would just go with that off and see how he reacts again when it comes down to it. P51 got it totally right IMO, NONE is an aggression scent and would have been liable to escalate the situation. Also, the one thing we all need to understand is that even the biggest wimp if given a chance will become alpha, the alpha state is as emotional (aptitude) as it is physical, then these two parts combined are universally known as leadership (alpha state), that is what the military training is based on, there are not pure (100%) alphas but, there are not pure (100%) betas either; some are born equipped to stay alpha and some of us choose to stay alpha; therefore, it does not matter what you are testing or wearing (copulins for all I care) your body language and aptitude should remain alpha or you will be challenged. I established my AMOG almost as soon as I got hired (the top female in the company, the one everybody male and female is afraid off came at me in a top exec meeting and I did not ran, held my ground and then took it to her and shut her up and from that day the CEO, CFO etc call me The Man) and since I have tested A314 and [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) which are alpha male mones and also tested TAL a sexy female mone; believe it or not I was complimented on how approachable I was while on TAL and was challenged when on A314 or MX297 (always re-established my AMOG). **Anyway, I established the alpha status 1 year before wearing any mones, it was and should always be aptitude.** ---
**Author:** ![SilverShot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/silvershot/32/1385_2.png) [@SilverShot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SilverShot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/8 "2010-08-15T03:10:34Z")
Ah yes, completely overlooked that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/9 "2010-08-15T04:43:30Z")
Hmmmm… going back over my post and I can’t seem to find anywhere where I said that I backed down and never established my alpha position over the kid. I appreciate the comments guys, I’ve been at this store for 2 1/2 years, and I established who I was from the get go and mones only came into play this last month. The only conclusion I can infer is that maybe the IO triggered something deep in him that he read as “weakness.” Or yeah he could have just been having an off day. I do know that some of these products the self-effects almost make me drunk like. Even the -nones and -rones. I did neglect to mention that when I went into the Kiosk to start my shift, Katy (very alpha female) who was my co-manager before I stepped down asked me if there was something wrong. It was about 20+ mins after the sprays. I felt like my normal jovial self, other than the self-effects. Anyway… Part 2: A314 4 drops behind the ear, across the jaw line, and across the chest. IS 2 sprays hair and back of neck. CTTM2 2 Sprays across each side of the neck. Brian: “Yes sir!.” “Right on that!.” All the normal responses I would expect from him. Cute blond regular comes in and we flirt a bunch. For example one time when I put too much whip cream on her drink and it was poking through the hole on top, she grabbed the cup, looked me straight into the eyes and licked the whip right off the lid. Well tonight, she couldn’t look me in the eyes until I got her over near the hand off window alone and started to talk her up, then she was normal again with big saucer pupils looking right back at me in the middle of those big baby blues. I work with Brian tomorrow, gonna go in without any mones, and see if there’s any difference from the two days. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/10 "2010-08-15T04:52:42Z")
Break a good sweat and those nols break down to androstenone pretty dad burn fast, so it’s a bit of a moving target if you can’t keep cool. By happy hour time you could be repelling people rather than attracting… ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/11 "2010-08-15T04:56:51Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Break a good sweat and those nols break down to androstenone pretty dad burn fast, so it’s a bit of a moving target if you can’t keep cool. By happy hour time you could be repelling people rather than attracting… hmmm… what about me being a 43 year old caucasian who is slightly overweight? ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/io-work-not-the-outcome-i-wanted/40809/12 "2010-08-15T06:48:43Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Hmmmm… **going back over my post and I can’t seem to find anywhere where I said that I backed down and never established my alpha position over the kid**. > > I appreciate the comments guys, I’ve been at this store for 2 1/2 years, and I established who I was from the get go and mones only came into play this last month. > > The only conclusion I can infer is that maybe the IO triggered something deep in him that he read as “weakness.” Or yeah he could have just been having an off day. > I do know that some of these products the self-effects almost make me drunk like. Even the -nones and -rones. > > I did neglect to mention that when I went into the Kiosk to start my shift, Katy (very alpha female) who was my co-manager before I stepped down asked me if there was something wrong. It was about 20+ mins after the sprays. I felt like my normal jovial self, other than the self-effects. > > Anyway… > > Part 2: > A314 4 drops behind the ear, across the jaw line, and across the chest. > IS 2 sprays hair and back of neck. > CTTM2 2 Sprays across each side of the neck. > > Brian: “Yes sir!.” “Right on that!.” All the normal responses I would expect from him. > > Cute blond regular comes in and we flirt a bunch. For example one time when I put too much whip cream on her drink and it was poking through the hole on top, she grabbed the cup, looked me straight into the eyes and licked the whip right off the lid. > > Well tonight, she couldn’t look me in the eyes until I got her over near the hand off window alone and started to talk her up, then she was normal again with big saucer pupils looking right back at me in the middle of those big baby blues. > > I work with Brian tomorrow, gonna go in without any mones, and see if there’s any difference from the two days. Hey TG, the argument was not about backing down, first, it was about awareness while testing, not only to IOI but the other kinds of reactions that the mones signature may bring out and also to be ready to counter or why not, encourage it if something good may come out of it. Second, the one other thing I’ve learned from mones is that you most be congruent with the vibe you are projecting; for that reason I won’t try to test IS by itself, people would go crazy trying to pair my natural drill sgt caring image with the happy go lucky vibe from IS. That’s what I think may have happened here, IO was saying coombaya but, your body language was saying I going AMOG on you and therefore he tested the waters. The short lesson I learned is pheromones won’t make me Alpha or sexy or taller or a better lover, they will only give me the vibe and is up to me to be congruent with it.