# IOI questions **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 24, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984 "2011-10-24T16:40:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![max4334](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@max4334](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/max4334)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/1 "2011-10-24T16:40:44Z")
Hey all. Before I jump into the questions, here is my current mix: 1x Max Attract Gold to wrist, rub on both wrists 2x Tac to either wrists or hair 2x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) to neck 2x IH to either wrist or neck 1x IS to hair Ok. 1. If a girl covers herself, as in pulls her shirt up or down to cover skin that may have been showing, is that an IOI? I would think so since normally she wouldnt care what she looks like, as in if she was around someone she didnt particularly care for why bother. 2. Do different IOIs have different meanings on a subtle level? Like can you take something away from hair flipping, that you couldnt from face scratching or the like? 3. Speaking of hair, when is hairplay not simply something girls do? When does it become them trying to get your attention, cause from what I understand, they do it a lot regardless. 4. Lastly, if they aren’t directly looking at you when they do it, but the do it as soon as you do start looking at them, are their flirts credible? Like if I am sitting accross the room, and I look in her direction and she twists her head away from me and starts hairplay, what can I take away from something like that if it isnt obvious she even saw me? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/2 "2011-10-24T17:38:31Z")
Have you seen the IOI sticky thread at the top of Mens? A lot of this is covered in there. 1 - Sounds more like an IOD to me? 2 - some are more blatent/stronger yes, like neck flushing/kino/gross invasion of personal space but its a more a cumulative thing - One or two, maybe/probably not - six, ten or eleven/go-for it! 🙂 3 - Yes, a lot of women do play with their hair interminably, which is why you regard that as a baseline IOI and look for other concurrent signals. 4 - Hairplay/looking away - clear boredom/IOD. Either that or she’s gaming you. Move-on! A woman with real interest will have you in a steady eye-lock in seconds flat, even in the most unsuitable situations - Its electric. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![max4334](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@max4334](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/max4334)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/3 "2011-10-24T19:14:12Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Have you seen the IOI sticky thread at the top of Mens? A lot of this is covered in there. > > 1 - Sounds more like an IOD to me? > > 2 - some are more blatent/stronger yes, like neck flushing/kino/gross invasion of personal space but its a more a cumulative thing - One or two, maybe/probably not - six, ten or eleven/go-for it! 🙂 > > 3 - Yes, a lot of women do play with their hair interminably, which is why you regard that as a baseline IOI and look for other concurrent signals. > > 4 - Hairplay/looking away - clear boredom/IOD. Either that or she’s gaming you. Move-on! A woman with real interest will have you in a steady eye-lock in seconds flat, even in the most unsuitable situations - Its electric. 🙂 I couldnt find answers in that section 1. Why iod? 2. So it isnt what they do but how many times it is done? 3. Sigh…they.dont make it easy for us ---
**Author:** ![max4334](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@max4334](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/max4334)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/4 "2011-10-24T21:11:03Z")
That equals boredom? #4? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/5 "2011-10-24T21:59:23Z")
4 - That or trying to goad you into giving more attention attention yes. Don’t be sucked into the AFC loop, if you have had any communication, bid her a good time and move-on. 1 - IOD. The IOI version is usually the exact opposite showing more and more, plenty leg, more cleavage/arms to the shoulder etc, adjusting clothing to show stomach/hips, letting a skirt ride right-up when dancing etc. 2- Yeah, how many times and how many IOIs they are giving-off at once. eg, hair flipping whilst giving you honey eyes with neck/upper chest flushed red, smiling idiotically and pushing her chest right at you. You’d have to be a total dunderhead to fail there! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/6 "2011-10-24T22:01:05Z")
I don’t really take anything as an IOI unless they come in threes. If I see one suspect IOI standing alone, with no other IOIs coming from her except in that one instance, it doesn’t mean anything. I move on. If I see two, it’s a maybe, and if I see three, yes, she’s interested. They usually come in clusters. Also, IME, most girls will not show interest in any way (doesn’t mean there aren’t a few exceptions out there in the general public) unless I’ve talked to them first, and from reading your post, it seems like you aren’t talking to them. After all, you maybe putting out an attractive vibe, but you’ve gotta act the part. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/7 "2011-10-24T23:55:17Z")
One indicator in its self is not a IOI. Its how they all come together. > [@](#): > > 1. If a girl covers herself, as in pulls her shirt up or down to cover skin that may have been showing, is that an IOI? I would think so since normally she wouldnt care what she looks like, as in if she was around someone she didnt particularly care for why bother. We always care what we look like, it has little to do with you or any other guy. however doing so before initial contact or upon meeting a guy can be a IOI. Its primping which indicates visual appeal. She sees something of interest and wants to make a good impression. > [@](#): > > 1. Do different IOIs have different meanings on a subtle level? Like can you take something away from hair flipping, that you couldnt from face scratching or the like? Yes sometimes but you really need to be able to see all of her body language at the time to describe what is being said. > [@](#): > > 1. Speaking of hair, when is hairplay not simply something girls do? When does it become them trying to get your attention, cause from what I understand, they do it a lot regardless. When she makes eye contact, lets you catch her looking or turns away when you look its an IOI. When she is staring off into space twirling her hair around her finger she has something else on her mind. > [@](#): > > 1. Lastly, if they aren’t directly looking at you when they do it, but the do it as soon as you do start looking at them, are their flirts credible? Like if I am sitting across the room, and I look in her direction and she twists her head away from me and starts hair play, what can I take away from something like that if it isnt obvious she even saw me? Depends again but if she makes direct eye contact with you and twirls or flips her hair its an IOI. Now you need to respond with your body language. For example… Hold eye contact. Smile impishly. Not a big grin like a buffoon just a sexy upturn of the lips… no teeth. Give her a quick wink and go back to your drink. Take about 30 seconds or so and glance her way again casually. If she is still messing with her hair and glancing at you then approach if its what you want. If your still feeling unsure… Another good test you can do is to get up and walk towards her. If she turns away and starts primping or fidgeting thats an IOI. If your still unsure. Walk right on by like you meant to do something or get something either from another table or the bar or whatever. Then walk back to your table casually. This also gives you a good chance of her getting exposed to your mones. If you catch her looking at you again she is definitely interested. Never go by one IOI alone, its the accumulation of IOIs that tell you the story. Just like in verbal language one word doesn’t give you the full story. Its the accumulation of words. Get a good book on body language over at amazon. You can get one used really cheep. Once you learn it, it will help in more then just picking up girls. It will help you read anyone. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/8 "2011-10-25T02:49:14Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Have you seen the IOI sticky thread at the top of Mens? A lot of this is covered in there. > > 1 - Sounds more like an IOD to me? > > 2 - some are more blatent/stronger yes, like neck flushing/kino/gross invasion of personal space but its a more a cumulative thing - One or two, maybe/probably not - six, ten or eleven/go-for it! 🙂 > > 3 - Yes, a lot of women do play with their hair interminably, which is why you regard that as a baseline IOI and look for other concurrent signals. > > 4 - Hairplay/looking away - clear boredom/IOD. Either that or she’s gaming you. Move-on! A woman with real interest will have you in a steady eye-lock in seconds flat, even in the most unsuitable situations - Its electric. 🙂 I don’t agree with you on number 4. I think that if you look at them and they were looking at you and then turn away and start hair play that it IOI because you caught them looking and they are embarrassed. Most girls try to be discreet about checking out a guy. And I agree with Tisha 100 percent on this one. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/9 "2011-10-25T09:49:47Z")
Embarrasement is usually pretty obvious - they turn away/break eye-contact fast. If its is any slower than that, then I would still tend to a more deliberate attention bating ploy. I’ve seen it time and time again in real life, and fallen for it more than a few times in the past. Embarrasment usually evaporates very fast when attraction kicks-in. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/10 "2011-10-25T10:07:30Z")
What tisha said, good advice there After a while you tend to develop an intution or feeling or sense about these things, and it is more of a language and communication rather than (x = ioi) as in question number 1, for question 1 context is important #2 I think i read someone that hair preening may have something to do with her “grooming herself” for you or something like that #3 hmm I dunno but I imagine if you have long hair and its always in your eye that could be annoying and you might want to get it out of your eye lol, but yeah as tisha said if she’s looking off into space twirling her hair she’ probably thinking about something ele #4 women can see you without looking directly at you, just something to note 😉 guy have to look directly at what/who they’re looking at, women have amazing peripheral vision abilities which is kinda funny cos i remember some women checking me out without looking at me, not thinking i could tell.. but then i guess they realised i could tell after they noticed me noticing what they where doing lol ---
**Author:** ![max4334](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@max4334](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/max4334)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/11 "2011-10-25T13:37:48Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > 4 - That or trying to goad you into giving more attention attention yes. Don’t be sucked into the **AFC loop** , if you have had any communication, bid her a good time and move-on. > > _ **AFC LOOP? Que?** _ > > 1 - **IOD. The IOI version is usually the exact opposite showing more and more, plenty leg, more cleavage/arms to the shoulder etc, adjusting clothing to show stomach/hips, letting a skirt ride right-up when dancing etc.** > > _ **I’m in a school enviornment. Not exactly an appropriate thing for a young girl to do in that kind of enviornment.** _ > > 2- Yeah, how many times and how many IOIs they are giving-off at once. eg, hair flipping whilst giving you honey eyes with neck/upper chest flushed red, smiling idiotically and pushing her chest right at you. You’d have to be a total dunderhead to fail there! 😃 > [@tisha23](#): > > One indicator in its self is not a IOI. Its how they all come together. > > We always care what we look like, it has little to do with you or any other guy. however doing so before initial contact or upon meeting a guy can be a IOI. Its primping which indicates visual appeal. She sees something of interest and wants to make a good impression. > > Yes sometimes but you really need to be able to see all of her body language at the time to describe what is being said. > > When she makes eye contact, lets you catch her looking or turns away when you look its an IOI. When she is staring off into space twirling her hair around her finger she has something else on her mind. > > Depends again but if she makes direct eye contact with you and twirls or flips her hair its an IOI. Now you need to respond with your body language. For example… Hold eye contact. Smile impishly. Not a big grin like a buffoon just a sexy upturn of the lips… no teeth. Give her a quick wink and go back to your drink. Take about 30 seconds or so and glance her way again casually. If she is still messing with her hair and glancing at you then approach if its what you want. > > If your still feeling unsure… > > **Another good test you can do is to get up and walk towards her. If she turns away and starts primping or fidgeting thats an IOI. If your still unsure. Walk right on by like you meant to do something or get something either from another table or the bar or whatever. Then walk back to your table casually. This also gives you a good chance of her getting exposed to your mones. If you catch her looking at you again she is definitely interested.** > > _ **I do this constantly. lol Mones!!!** _ > > Never go by one IOI alone, its the accumulation of IOIs that tell you the story. Just like in verbal language one word doesn’t give you the full story. Its the accumulation of words. > > Get a good book on body language over at amazon. You can get one used really cheep. Once you learn it, it will help in more then just picking up girls. It will help you read anyone. 😉 > > Tisha > [@ballzan](#): > > \*\*I don’t agree with you on number 4. I think that if you look at them and they were looking at you and then turn away and start hair play that it IOI because you caught them looking and they are embarrassed. Most girls try to be discreet about checking out a guy. And I agree with Tisha 100 percent on this one. > \*\* **Nice. I may have a shot yet then** > [@GetTheEdge](#): > > What tisha said, good advice there > > After a while you tend to develop an intution or feeling or sense about these things, and it is more of a language and communication rather than (x = ioi) as in question number 1, for question 1 context is important > > #2 I think i read someone that hair preening may have something to do with her “grooming herself” for you or something like that > > #3 hmm I dunno but I imagine if you have long hair and its always in your eye that could be annoying and you might want to get it out of your eye lol, but yeah as tisha said if she’s looking off into space twirling her hair she’ probably thinking about something ele > > #4 women can see you without looking directly at you, just something to note 😉 guy have to look directly at what/who they’re looking at, women have amazing peripheral vision abilities > > which is kinda funny cos i remember some women checking me out without looking at me, not thinking i could tell.. but then i guess they realised i could tell after they noticed me noticing what they where doing lol lol. That sounds like a big missed oppertunity. Like I said, they dont make it easy for us huh ---
**Author:** ![mariocisneros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@mariocisneros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mariocisneros)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/12 "2011-10-25T17:55:15Z")
Hey Max, here I’m putting my two cents, I hope they are useful bro! Like Tisha said, read a good book… so I want to recommend you to read Undercover Sex Signals: A pickup guide for guys. It is by Leil Lowndes, I think she is a great author and knows a lot about girls behavior, sociology, and such. I love her books! I also read How To Talk To Anyone: 92 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships by her as well. These to books helped me a lot, and they are easy to read and a lot of fun! Cheers my friend! > **[Undercover Sex Signals: A Pickup Guide For Guys: Lowndes, Leil: 9780806527932:...](https://www.amazon.com/Undercover-Sex-Signals-Pickup-Guide/dp/0806527935)** > > Undercover Sex Signals: A Pickup Guide For Guys \[Lowndes, Leil\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Undercover Sex Signals: A Pickup Guide For Guys > **[How to Talk to Anyone: 92 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships:...](https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Anyone-Success-Relationships/dp/007141858X)** > > How to Talk to Anyone: 92 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships \[Lowndes, Leil\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. How to Talk to Anyone: 92 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/13 "2011-10-25T18:00:47Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > I don’t agree with you on number 4. I think that if you look at them and they were looking at you and then turn away and start hair play that it IOI because you caught them looking and they are embarrassed. Most girls try to be discreet about checking out a guy. And I agree with Tisha 100 percent on this one. Strangely, I have a woman doing this to me right now. She’s leaning back, checking me out and pretty blatently letting me see her do this, then when I return her gaze, she turns her head leans forward and starts playing with her hair furiously for a while. She ain’t embarrased and seems to be quite enjoying the attention. Happened five times in a row now and even though she is hot, I’m not rising to it anymore. 😃 One spray Heavy Ammo over the remains of my workday 2 drops A314. ETA - She’s upped it. Now leaning forward and giving me that downcast/over the shoulder look before turning away & hair-flipping. Nice random nonverbal flirt tho! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/14 "2011-10-25T22:47:59Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Strangely, I have a woman doing this to me right now. She’s leaning back, checking me out and pretty blatently letting me see her do this, then when I return her gaze, she turns her head leans forward and starts playing with her hair furiously for a while. > > She ain’t embarrased and seems to be quite enjoying the attention. Happened five times in a row now and even though she is hot, I’m not rising to it anymore. 😃 > > One spray Heavy Ammo over the remains of my workday 2 drops A314. > > ETA - She’s upped it. Now leaning forward and giving me that downcast/over the shoulder look before turning away & hair-flipping. Nice random nonverbal flirt tho! 🙂 Yea thats a nice hit, are you close enough that the AMMO could be helping you out on this one, or did you walk by her/get close enough for it to effect her before she started? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/15 "2011-10-25T23:43:28Z")
She was sitting opposite/side-on to to me with two mates who were doing most of the talking, about 6 feet away, so close enough. Gave a big smile and followed me with her eyes when I left too. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ioi-questions/52984/16 "2011-10-26T03:20:45Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > She was sitting opposite/side-on to to me with two mates who were doing most of the talking, about 6 feet away, so close enough. > > Gave a big smile and followed me with her eyes when I left too. 😃 Nice! Next time act on it!