# IS and p83, why do you hate me? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 20, 2014, 7:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176 "2014-02-20T07:15:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 7:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/1 "2014-02-20T07:15:46Z")
So these two [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) have literally seemed to do nothing for those around me. I tried them in mixes and on their own, low and high doses and got nothing. Even with mixes that worked wonders, once adding these, they no longer worked wonders.. Wth?? Anyone ever encounter this..? What is it about these?? ---
**Author:** ![Kodocha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kodocha/32/1467_2.png) [@Kodocha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kodocha)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/2 "2014-02-20T07:43:51Z")
There is any number of reasons why these may not be giving you the results you may expect. One of the main ones being that your natural mone signature just might not be compatible with them. but also it could be something as simple as something you like to eat. The truth is we don’t yet know all the variables nor all the possible reactions to combinations. Mone-Tech is growing and we learn now things all the time but this science is SO COMPLEX we will likely never fully understand it. Mother natures kitchen as some like to say. God only knows how it all works. Not everything works for everybody but heres the thing. Every now and again test them out again. Your body chemestry is in a constant state of flux. If they don’t seem to work now try them again in a few weeks or months. Or in a different season of the year or in different environments than you have thus far and with different people. Also don’t forget people that have known you longer will react slower to the changes in your mone signature as well as you don’t want to confuse people with a constantly drastically changing sig. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 10:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/3 "2014-02-20T10:27:43Z")
> [@Kodocha](#): > > There is any number of reasons why these may not be giving you the results you may expect. One of the main ones being that your natural mone signature just might not be compatible with them. but also it could be something as simple as something you like to eat. The truth is we don’t yet know all the variables nor all the possible reactions to combinations. Mone-Tech is growing and we learn now things all the time but this science is SO COMPLEX we will likely never fully understand it. Mother natures kitchen as some like to say. God only knows how it all works. > > Not everything works for everybody but heres the thing. Every now and again test them out again. Your body chemestry is in a constant state of flux. If they don’t seem to work now try them again in a few weeks or months. Or in a different season of the year or in different environments than you have thus far and with different people. Also don’t forget people that have known you longer will react slower to the changes in your mone signature as well as you don’t want to confuse people with a constantly drastically changing sig. > > Hope that helps. Yeah that helped a great deal for me. You answered my question superbly. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/4 "2014-02-20T18:26:54Z")
Yup, we don’t all get-on so well with all mones. Sometimes what works well for others will fall flat on us. Don’t worry about it. If its a consumer-line product, you can use the warranty, or keep the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) to trade the next time its in drought - Plenty of people will thank you for it. Alternatively, put them aside for a while. It could well be that once you have a bit more phero-experience, you will find them easier to use and you will be glad to have them. I’ve got a number of mones that didn’t do that well to start with but have become much more useful now I know better what I’m doing and one or two (eg P79) that I’ll avoid because on me, they are mostly trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Kodocha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kodocha/32/1467_2.png) [@Kodocha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kodocha)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/5 "2014-02-20T18:58:21Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ve got a number of mones that didn’t do that well to start with but have become much more useful now I know better what I’m doing and one or two (eg P79) that I’ll avoid because on me, they are mostly trouble. Can I has your P79… lol sorry it was there… I couldn’t resist. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/6 "2014-02-20T22:27:42Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yup, we don’t all get-on so well with all mones. Sometimes what works well for others will fall flat on us. > > Don’t worry about it. If its a consumer-line product, you can use the warranty, or keep the P83 to trade the next time its in drought - Plenty of people will thank you for it. > > Alternatively, put them aside for a while. It could well be that once you have a bit more phero-experience, you will find them easier to use and you will be glad to have them. I’ve got a number of mones that didn’t do that well to start with but have become much more useful now I know better what I’m doing and one or two (eg P79) that I’ll avoid because on me, they are mostly trouble. Thanks mobocaster, you’ve been a big help! I guess I’ll take your advice and hold on to it for drought season or for when I obtain more experience. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/7 "2014-02-20T23:02:44Z")
I did a post on P83 in my journal. For today only, admission is free. One test failed. Diluting P83 to half strength worked. Same mcg doses total. I can haz [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)-P80. And chezburger. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/8 "2014-02-20T23:08:49Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I did a post on P83 in my journal. For today only, admission is free. One test failed. Diluting P83 to half strength worked. Same mcg doses total. I can haz P74-P80. And chezburger. So what’s half strength for you? One spray of mine is 10mcg and that seems to be too much. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/9 "2014-02-20T23:12:30Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > So what’s half strength for you? One spray of mine is 10mcg and that seems to be too much. 7.5 mcg in 1/2 strength to 3.75. Total effective dose 20-30 mcg. Use 151+ proof vodka (or the best you can get) if you can’t get proper perfumer’s alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/10 "2014-02-21T02:29:56Z")
So why would you want to have half-dose if the effective dose is 20-30? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/11 "2014-02-21T02:36:50Z")
Forget everything I said. Really, just ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/12 "2014-02-21T02:52:56Z")
Oh lol, I missed where you said same mcg total. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/13 "2014-02-21T08:51:25Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > So why would you want to have half-dose if the effective dose is 20-30? There is no absolute effective dose for [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and a great many other pheros. What may work depends on you, your situation and the cumulative effects of any other pheros you might be wearing - **this last one is especially the case with P83**. Then there is the issue of using very tiny doses to steer other pheros in a mix much more subtly - TBH, it wouldn’t surprise me to find you are using P83 already, in minuscule doses in your other products. AD seldom tell you these. So you need to do a fair bit of testing to establish you dose range and it will be a lot wider than 10-20mcg, for P83. That’s just a very general range to start you off - Personally I’d suggest that depending on mix, 5-80mcg is much more the thing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/14 "2018-01-14T11:12:58Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > There is no absolute effective dose for P83 and a great many other pheros. > > What may work depends on you, your situation and the cumulative effects of any other pheros you might be wearing - **this last one is especially the case with P83**. > > Then there is the issue of using very tiny doses to steer other pheros in a mix much more subtly - TBH, it wouldn’t surprise me to find you are using P83 already, in minuscule doses in your other products. AD seldom tell you these. > > So you need to do a fair bit of testing to establish you dose range and it will be a lot wider than 10-20mcg, for P83. That’s just a very general range to start you off - Personally I’d suggest that depending on mix, 5-80mcg is much more the thing. 🙂 Thanks for this information and a quick update\* After some experience and playing around with P83, I’ve found that \<5mcg p83 is useable for me… it was that the dosage was too high. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) I still haven’t figured out but I know for certain the TAA that’s in it goes well with me in low and high dosages. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-and-p83-why-do-you-hate-me/61176/15 "2018-01-14T12:28:39Z")
For me right at 20MCG is where it is at for me with this one. While P83 works great, I actually have been a fan of P131 over this one due to the more emotional connection and I still get slight physical disinhibition with the P131. It is very interesting with the chemistry like how some can wear P75 in really high doses like 10-20MCG where if I wear over 3 or 4MCG it can be trouble for me, and why I have no idea. I have found with IShine or TAA or [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) that I can only wear once or twice a week and I build a tolerance to them and I don’t get the self effects and I need a stronger dose to get the same effects and have found this also with the wife. For example with TAA I don’t need much 5MCG is enough to just make the mood better but after 3 or 4 days of solid use I need to go to almost 10MCG for the same effect.