# Is androstadienone the most potent pheromone? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 12, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-androstadienone-the-most-potent-pheromone/63641 "2015-01-12T03:05:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dream\_Brother](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dream_brother/32/1559_2.png) [@Dream\_Brother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dream_Brother)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-androstadienone-the-most-potent-pheromone/63641/1 "2015-01-12T03:05:08Z")
I know AD don’t sell it in any of their products anymore, but I’ve been reading a lot about this specific [pheromone](https://a314.com/). It seems to be the most backed-up and studied. In anyone’s experience, would it be worth buy A1 from LS, or just pure androstadienone from another source? If not, which product would you say can replicate similar effects? > [@](#): > > Abstract > Considerable research effort has focused on whether specific compounds found within human body odor influence the behavior or physiology of other individuals. The most intensively studied is 4,16-androstadien-3-one, a chemical which is known to modulate mood and have activational effects in the sympathetic nervous system in a context-dependent manner, but whose action in mate-choice contexts remains largely untested. Here we present evidence that this androgen steroid may modulate women’s judgments of men’s attractiveness in an ecologically valid context. We tested the effects of androstadienone at a speed-dating event in which men and women interacted in a series of brief dyadic encounters. Men were rated more attractive when assessed by women who had been exposed to androstadienone, an effect that was seen in two out of three studies. The results suggest that androstadienone can influence women’s attraction to men, and also that research into the modulatory effects of androstadienone should be made within ecologically valid contexts. - from [Evidence that androstadienone, a putative human chemosignal, modula… - PubMed - NCBI](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18601928) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-androstadienone-the-most-potent-pheromone/63641/2 "2015-01-12T12:45:23Z")
LS A1 is just fine and most of the info on dosing/using here is based on it. Both sizes sold at LS are exactly the same concentration, 1mg/ml its just the bottle size that varies - so its worth checking their special offers page, you can sometimes pick-up two 5 mls for quite a bit less than a single 10ml, or get something else interesting thrown-in. 😉 If you suffer from its negative self effects, the A1 synthesis from at least two of the other competitors is noted for hitting particularly hard - which may reflect its purity but makes it a fucker to use IRL. As for “potency” - I’d say that depends on the individual subject response more than anything. Its a good phero to use around some people but not others. IME its best use is as a secondary to something sexual, although it is usable as a primary in smaller doses. Be aware that although we can discuss it, reports on mixes containing A1 will not count towards your getting RU status. If you want an alternative with AD products, the IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) combo is viable - Its not an exact replacement of course but its comfort/emotional engagement properties are on a par. Less “crushy” though (so you need to adapt your behaviour) and you can’t use alphanol around it like you can with A1. I ditched A1 almost completely for a long time with this combo as I get the A1 downers, although I have conditioned myself to them to a reasonable extent and learned to make it in oil which helps a lot. Lastly, if you are going to try A1, remember that its not the easiest phero to use and you need to treat with some respect because of its potential for negative self effects and because it can be grossly overused in mixes - to the great detriment of all the other components. Ensure you read K-Train’s “A1-Guide” and the “A1 Mix Repository” threads in here before you start. These have some of the best info on using/dosing A1 anywhere. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dream\_Brother](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dream_brother/32/1559_2.png) [@Dream\_Brother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dream_Brother)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-androstadienone-the-most-potent-pheromone/63641/3 "2015-01-12T12:50:57Z")
I may pass on A1 for a while then, I’m prone to going through depressive states, so I don’t want to risk it at the moment. May look into trying some of the P\_\_ products once I have a few weeks experience with my new [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) x1 (Just arrived today! 😃). Think next on my list is TUTH, then possibly P74! Thanks for the great advice as usual mobocaster 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-androstadienone-the-most-potent-pheromone/63641/4 "2015-01-12T14:12:19Z")
If by most potent, you mean most blatant, that award would have to go to PEA. Unfortunately, it only lasts about 30 minutes tops. I may have found a way to fix it to last significantly longer, but I will say no more on that for now. The effects are definitely similar, but far superior to A1. As for other molecules, I’d recommend P96 as an A1 replacement. I personally get depression from A1 nowadays, so I can no longer wear it, regardless of what I use to quell this side-effect. 2.5mcg TAH, 2.5mcg TAL, 7.5mcg MeO-EST, 5mcg P102, 15mcg [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/), 500ng TAF, Beta -nol, and/or Oxytocin would all make excellent additions, with P96 or with A1. Paradox did mention some time ago that massive doses of A1 tended not to cause depression, but I don’t recall whether this somehow diminished the most desirable A1 effects (comfort and bonding). This might be something to look into. I want to say the dose used was around 200mcg, but don’t take my word on that.