# Is it possible to OD on small amounts of SOE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 15, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332 "2008-01-15T22:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/21 "2008-01-27T22:11:37Z")
> [@jonno101](#): > > James & other posters, thanks for the follow up replies. As the Original Poster I should re-emphasise my original intention and clear a couple things up. > > I have only used Scent of Eros on the inside of my forearms, wrists and/or behind the ear and on my neck. Not in massive quantities either. > > But my original post was to find out whether I may have naturally produced alot of ‘whatever’ to the point that only a relatively small amount of Scent of Eros tipped me into what I incorrectly termed OD. > > I know this wasn’t the suggestion 😛, but I don’t put Scent of Eros or any other of these products any where near my pits 😮. Only basic deodorant. I’m a twice a day many (shower, that it is -I’ve been married too long for that).😕. I shower twice a day and anyone who knows England in mid-winter…it’s pretty damn hard to work up a sweat outside of the gym. > > I have no doubt about the efficacy of Scent of Eros. My only questions were (and still are) around how high (or not) my own natural levels of some of these things might be and how those products might push me over some limit **with certain women**. > > Interestingly, the lady/co-colleague who have me a slightly negative vibe after just 2 days use was one who’d previously given me IOI on numerous occasions. Perhaps this was just my mis-reading things or maybe she just had a crappy day? > > Anyways, thanks again. My experimentation continues (am having great results with A314, Instant Openness, Instant Shine) and am still dabbling in Scent of Eros. 🆒 jonno, the problem may have _not_ been that you are producing some of these pheromones naturally and consequently were ODing. **Rather, you might have simply got indifference from people because Scent of Eros can give off a ‘lightweight’ vibe of the wearer especially if the person isn’t acting alpha with it on. The woman in question might have been giving you more IOIs before you tried the pheromones because the vibe you gave off then was more masculine and that’s what she was more attracted to.** Below are some posts on the Scent of Eros ‘lightweight effect’ that can happen for some people (only when it is NOT buffered by other things, of course, like [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and/or [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) for example). To be fair some of the posts below highlight that one can make use of being ‘nice’ as well and I have included JVK’s response as well to be fair… Rob’s posts at the end of this compilation alert us to the fact that this effect is quite prevalent across virtually all the friendly molecules. Lets read the following lest some guy turns into a ‘goofy smiling candyass’ by wearing friendly molecules on their own around his peers and not acting ‘manly’ enough. Of course if you are good at flirting then this might not be a bad strategy but for your average guy I think wearing friendly molecules on their own wouldn’t be the best option (especially considering the variety of pheromones/mixes we now have at our disposal courtesy of Androtics)… * * * bjf (February 24, 2003): " **Scent of Eros – Too Nice?** **I wonder if some women are turned off with a guy with too much [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)…i.e. too nice, too wimpy, can walk all over him.** maybe i am wrong about it." SonnyBlack (February 24, 2003): “**ive always wondered about this as well…I think girls see you as such (wimpy, weak, not able to protect them) when you have too much Androstenol on. Ive worn Scent of Eros a couple of times and and I kinda noticed such reactions while doing so…or maybe it was just that im used to having naturally high levels of none and when I added [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) it sorta freaked me out**…” bjf (February 24, 2003): "**the only time i have ever worn more [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) then none i thought a bunch of guys behind me were considering robbing me and a girl basically felt “wht can u do for me, you couldn’t take care of me” type-deal. Guys were nice, except for the guys who wanted to rob me** . I am interested to see how women reacted to other guys with much higher [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to none/Androsterone ratio" Proteus (February 24, 2003): " **I tend to agree that with Scent of Eros you tend to be perceived as too nice - so especially when I hit the clubs if I use Scent of Eros I definitely use it with some -none, specifically JB#1**. But sometimes being perceived as " too nice " works great as you can move in on the ladies in kind of a stealth mode. Once I have her talking, which Scent of Eros is very good at doing, then I can use my skills to seduce her. If one approaches -Androstenol products from this perspective, you can in many ways be more successful with women than if you use -none products because they are already “comfortable” with you and if your seduction skills are good, then the rest is easy. I think of it this way - -none, when it works well, will have her ready to jump you without too much work, whereas -Androstenol may not induce this reaction, but from a percentage scale you can get to “talk” with a lot more women, and take it from there. So for the less skilled seductionists go with -none, but if you have skills, then I think -Androstenol products are much better for you. Just my two cents." franki (February 24, 2003): "…**The only problem with Androstenol alone, IMO, is that when you are already a nice guy yourself, and you are only wearing [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), you are missing something.** Personally I ALWAYS feel I am missing something when I don’t put on the tiniest bit of none. I really don’t believe in the theory that too much [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (on its own) makes one too nice…" jvkohl (February 25, 2003): “Some people may be forgetting that -Androstenol has been shown to effect hormone levels (luteinizing hormone:LH, and follicle stimulating hormone) in women. This effect is always beneficial in other mammals; it is the typical response to pheromones from the opposite sex. An increase in LH will be followed by an increase in testosterone, which is very effective with regard to increasing libido, in both men and women. Scent of Eros may be too nice, but it also provides a nice push in the right direction: towards increased interest in sex.” Shenandoah (April 27, 2006): “… **One does not want to over do the Scent of Eros. It could make you seem too friendly – that is a “push over,” a light weight, or a people pleaser** …” PheroBlog Futurist (January 7, 2006): “…Scent of Eros – This has a [pheromone formula](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) that gives off social effects, such as chattyness. **Wear too much of it and you will seem overly wimpy.** A good product, but doesn’t serve as a sexual attractant as it claims to. However, if you are a clint east wood type guy, a biker type, a body builder, etc, then this will likely take away some of the intimidation you produce in women and make you more attractive…” [A314 is the best I've used but it's out of stock: when will it be back? - #21 by Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314/648/21) Rob (September 26, 2006): “NPA can generate negative effects… but you must take into account all pheremones do. The way I see it.. if androstenone gives an extra sex vibe, I’m sure I can put up with alittle bitchiness=) **Then again things like too much -nols or comfort [pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314/648) may have a happy or relaxing vibe.. yet at the same time they can also give a “weakness” and "my P**sy hurts" vibe when used in excess. Well I should know, because I like to [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) when I first get any new pheremone.” [Does Androstenol affect men negatively?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-androstenol-affect-men-negatively/667/18) Rob (September 26, 2006): “**Any guy should not wear too much laughing feel good pheremones like Androstonel or TAA (IS). It’ll just end up turning you into some goofy smiling candyass. It may make you in some instances the life of the party, but really.. there is nothing sexy about a clown.**” [Does Androstenol affect men negatively?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-androstenol-affect-men-negatively/667/21) Rob (September 26, 2006): “ **lol. Theres a big difference between being a funny clown and being an attractive guy who can talk about funny things =P** ” ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/22 "2008-01-27T22:21:35Z")
**Gone** - thanks for that point. It makes so much sense. 😃 …And gives me something to experiment around. Ta! I was on a Olivier Mythodrama course on Friday and was sat next to her at one point (with some SOE on as well as A314, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) & Openness). I was the life and soul and had the 2 most vivacious women on the course charging over to me introducing themselves “Hi, I’d like to work with you…etc” and flicking their hair constantly when next to me. Not normal I assure you. 🙄 But **she** was quite subdued in my presence, even when sat next to me. I had to start up conversation, which only came to life when I touched on things she likes. So maybe she likes the other me? Anyway, I’ll stop blathering now and let some other more worthy posts get some air time - I’ve taken enough time up. Thanks again, Gone. ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/23 "2008-01-27T22:28:47Z")
Visionary - thanks for the links. It makes sense now. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/24 "2008-03-22T23:21:24Z")
**Yes below is more evidence of the Scent of Eros ‘lightweight’ effect on some users including the outcome of Jonno’s investigation…** nbully79 (Feburary 17, 2008): “… **I am very surprised how WAGG lowers you on the social ladder a few notches and sometimes also SOE** …” Jonno101 (Feburary 17, 2008): “I hear what you’re saying about SOE (haven’t tried WAGG)moving you down the social ladder. I felt the same so ditched SOE as soon as my 1st Androtics order came in. **It wasn’t creating any attraction, IOIs just made me seem more insignificant. Almost invisible to people who’ve known me as well.** Nice reports. Keep em coming. I haven’t come across Athena b4)” [love scent vs androtics? a open discussion - #34 by alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/love-scent-vs-androtics-a-open-discussion/5235/34) alpha314 (August 27, 2007): “…Yes RE Scent of Eros different courses for different horses i say it is good stuff, **and an abundance can give a little bit of a wimpy attitude/perception derpending on ones dress, bio-rythms, dynamics and mood at the time of impact,** also taking into consideration the personalitys of those whome may be influenced by its sublime properties…” ---
**Author:** ![oldgezer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9e8a1a/32.png) [@oldgezer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/oldgezer)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/25 "2008-03-23T02:20:53Z")
what would happen if you combined SOE with A314 or Alpha-7? Wouldn’t that balance out the negatives of both? ---
**Author:** ![soe\_none](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soe_none/32/2344_2.png) [@soe\_none](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/soe_none)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/26 "2008-03-23T06:23:29Z")
I would imagine combining scent of eros and A314 would even things out…but wow I didn’t know about SOE being “lightweight.” It’s my first pheromone purchase lol… ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/27 "2008-03-23T13:02:47Z")
I recently tried A314 with SOE (instead of IFM as it was makeing me feel a bit down by the end of the day) and it wasn’t too bad. But it seems as if I might need to up my normal 2 drops of A314 to 3 drops (maybe more). Will try again. In the way of background, I’ve ‘discovered’ that I’m O RH +ve and I think I read on the forum that O type blood tends to produce more none. so maybe it’s just me (oh and the elevated DHEA & cortisol…😮) What a crip! I’m also a fitness fanatic and whilst I’m 44, my blood tests consistently show my biological age to be some 8-9 years younger (not sure what those tests are worth). Will try again with teh SOE/A314 combo, see what gives adn report back here. I’m sure SOE IS good as it has many many fans. I’m most likely the exception to the rule - because of my biology.🙄 **Do you chaps think WAGG might be a suitable alternative to the A314,IFM combo?** ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/28 "2008-03-23T23:45:36Z")
> [@oldgeezer](#): > > what would happen if you combined Scent of Eros with A314 or Alpha-7? Wouldn’t that balance out the negatives of both? > [@soe\_none](#): > > I would imagine combining scent of eros and A314 would even things out…but wow I didn’t know about Scent of Eros being “lightweight.” It’s my first pheromone purchase lol… > [@jonno101](#): > > I recently tried A314 with Scent of Eros (instead of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) as it was makeing me feel a bit down by the end of the day) and it wasn’t too bad. But it seems as if I might need to up my normal 2 drops of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) to 3 drops (maybe more). > > Will try again. > > In the way of background, I’ve ‘discovered’ that I’m O RH +ve and I think I read on the forum that O type blood tends to produce more none. so maybe it’s just me (oh and the elevated DHEA & cortisol…:eek What a crip! > > I’m also a fitness fanatic and whilst I’m 44, my blood tests consistently show my biological age to be some 8-9 years younger (not sure what those tests are worth). > > Will try again with teh Scent of Eros/A314 combo, see what gives adn report back here. > > I’m sure Scent of Eros IS good as it has many many fans. I’m most likely the exception to the rule - because of my biology. > > **Do you chaps think WAGG might be a suitable alternative to the [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/),Instant Female Magic combo?** Jonno, WAGG is good if you want to come across as less intimidating and want to be more approachable. Used alone, like SOE, it can lead to disrespect from some. It is different to the A314/IFM combo – you would get far more respect wearing A314 (at least 2 drops and over of it). On the other hand WAGG and A314 seem to work pretty well together. I would wear IFM more around a girlfriend once in a while (not often so as to avoid the depression side effect) if her mood goes south or to create a more intimate atmosphere. Yes like others have said, one solution to the SOE wimpy effect is to wear a strong AndrostEnone product along with it which can signal ‘threat’, ‘physical prowess’ and ‘dominance by force’. However in a work environment (and some social environments as well), for example, one needs to be careful with AndrostEnone - even a little bit of it. Even when one doesn’t OD on it, it can cause tension to which some can respond to negatively/aggressively. And it builds up over days as well (it sticks to the skin like no other pheromone) so even a small application of AndrostEnone on the fourth consecutive day may turn into an OD. Wearing even a relatively small amount of unbuffered AndrostEnone on a daily basis is like walking on a tightrope for some users IMHO. SOE will lighten things up, of course, but AndrostEnone and the baggage it brings along with it will still poke through causing problems for some users. Finally, the problem with combining Scent of Eros and A314 is: From my understanding A314 is 80% Androsterone with a tiny amount of [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) and other secret ingredients (over a dozen separate pheromones in the latest version). Therefore [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) has been designed by Androtics to be a ‘debugged’ form of Androsterone - the ratios have been specifically made for a specific effect. When you combine [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and Scent of Eros you are adding Androsterone and altering the ratio of Androsterone to [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)’s other ingredients. The result, as I’ve seen when wearing [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and Scent of Eros, can be moments of obvious un-A314-like disrespectful reactions. Too much Androsterone _without the appropriate buffering_ can lead to people walking all over the wearer. [Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19) MHarris (October 4, 2005): “I know what you mean. Androsterone by itself has some serious issues. I tried more closely to formulate the new A314 to the James Bond character (I’m sure it was in the back of my mind previously, too). The experimental mix that ended up being A314, the one that “made it” in the tests, was based along the lines of something like a transmogrification of 80/20 principle… except the 80% part really does do something. The 20% wouldn’t exist as effectively without the 80%. Nonetheless, that 80% part is safe, perhaps too safe. That’s where the other 20% comes in to play, and IMHO, is essential. I would never use Androsterone completely alone. It has some serious downsides. I’ve never liked the effects I’ve gotten from wearing Androsterone alone…” MHarris by PM to me (October 18, 2005): “…You could view A314 as super debugged Androsterone. Rone alone has many downfalls which I’ve spent years correcting. I would no longer associate [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) with Androsterone, necessarily. While it’s a drop in replacement for Androsterone in a mix, it sure as heck doesn’t work like normal Androsterone. It also contains a little less Androsterone than it did before…” [MX102 experimental A314 mix 1: early user experiences, no effect yet, dosing tips](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx102-experimental-a314-mix-1/521/29) MHarris (August 1, 2006): “…A314 is highly refined Androsterone that doesn’t put out the “Walk all over Me, I’m Mr. Rogers” type prescence that Androsterone alone can sometimes do on some men.” [6 pack thread (The Great Androstenone Experiment Parts 1 & 2)...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/6-pack-thread-the-great-androstenone-experiment-parts-1-2/189) “…You find “debugged” Androsterone in A314…” ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/29 "2008-03-24T00:11:14Z")
Hmm, I’ve never gotten a wimpy or disrespectful treatment while wearing SOE solo. The only thing I noticed was increased chatter and a leaning towards more open and trusting attitude. With straight -nol I merely get more chatter. However I prefer a wee bit of edginess and often pair it with NPA for dates or happy hour. For work, A314 & SOE are one of the finest combos I’v tried. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/30 "2008-03-24T23:05:07Z")
Two of the most tested and famous SoE mixes are SoE and NPA (7:1) the “DD” mix and SoE and TE (7:1) the “DD Lite” mix. They are considered highly sexual, I still wear them now and then. The “DD” mixes are named after a poster at “the other place” named “Donald Duck”. “Donald Duck” had something happen to his account so he now occasionally shows up at “the other place” as “Watcher”. He’s from Oz. ---
**Author:** ![SyraBrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@SyraBrian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SyraBrian)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/31 "2008-03-27T19:36:15Z")
I once put on five gel packs of SoE while I hung out at a bar one night. Ran into an attractive bachelorette doing one of those “scavenger hunt” lists. The list said she had to kiss an unattractive stranger. I volunteered. She said that she didn’t think I was unnattractive at all and proceeded to french the hell out of me. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332.md?page=1)