# Is it possible to OD on small amounts of SOE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 15, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332 "2008-01-15T22:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 28
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332/28 "2008-03-23T23:45:36Z")
> [@oldgeezer](#): > > what would happen if you combined Scent of Eros with A314 or Alpha-7? Wouldn’t that balance out the negatives of both? > [@soe\_none](#): > > I would imagine combining scent of eros and A314 would even things out…but wow I didn’t know about Scent of Eros being “lightweight.” It’s my first pheromone purchase lol… > [@jonno101](#): > > I recently tried A314 with Scent of Eros (instead of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) as it was makeing me feel a bit down by the end of the day) and it wasn’t too bad. But it seems as if I might need to up my normal 2 drops of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) to 3 drops (maybe more). > > Will try again. > > In the way of background, I’ve ‘discovered’ that I’m O RH +ve and I think I read on the forum that O type blood tends to produce more none. so maybe it’s just me (oh and the elevated DHEA & cortisol…:eek What a crip! > > I’m also a fitness fanatic and whilst I’m 44, my blood tests consistently show my biological age to be some 8-9 years younger (not sure what those tests are worth). > > Will try again with teh Scent of Eros/A314 combo, see what gives adn report back here. > > I’m sure Scent of Eros IS good as it has many many fans. I’m most likely the exception to the rule - because of my biology. > > **Do you chaps think WAGG might be a suitable alternative to the [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/),Instant Female Magic combo?** Jonno, WAGG is good if you want to come across as less intimidating and want to be more approachable. Used alone, like SOE, it can lead to disrespect from some. It is different to the A314/IFM combo – you would get far more respect wearing A314 (at least 2 drops and over of it). On the other hand WAGG and A314 seem to work pretty well together. I would wear IFM more around a girlfriend once in a while (not often so as to avoid the depression side effect) if her mood goes south or to create a more intimate atmosphere. Yes like others have said, one solution to the SOE wimpy effect is to wear a strong AndrostEnone product along with it which can signal ‘threat’, ‘physical prowess’ and ‘dominance by force’. However in a work environment (and some social environments as well), for example, one needs to be careful with AndrostEnone - even a little bit of it. Even when one doesn’t OD on it, it can cause tension to which some can respond to negatively/aggressively. And it builds up over days as well (it sticks to the skin like no other pheromone) so even a small application of AndrostEnone on the fourth consecutive day may turn into an OD. Wearing even a relatively small amount of unbuffered AndrostEnone on a daily basis is like walking on a tightrope for some users IMHO. SOE will lighten things up, of course, but AndrostEnone and the baggage it brings along with it will still poke through causing problems for some users. Finally, the problem with combining Scent of Eros and A314 is: From my understanding A314 is 80% Androsterone with a tiny amount of [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) and other secret ingredients (over a dozen separate pheromones in the latest version). Therefore [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) has been designed by Androtics to be a ‘debugged’ form of Androsterone - the ratios have been specifically made for a specific effect. When you combine [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and Scent of Eros you are adding Androsterone and altering the ratio of Androsterone to [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)’s other ingredients. The result, as I’ve seen when wearing [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and Scent of Eros, can be moments of obvious un-A314-like disrespectful reactions. Too much Androsterone _without the appropriate buffering_ can lead to people walking all over the wearer. [Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19) MHarris (October 4, 2005): “I know what you mean. Androsterone by itself has some serious issues. I tried more closely to formulate the new A314 to the James Bond character (I’m sure it was in the back of my mind previously, too). The experimental mix that ended up being A314, the one that “made it” in the tests, was based along the lines of something like a transmogrification of 80/20 principle… except the 80% part really does do something. The 20% wouldn’t exist as effectively without the 80%. Nonetheless, that 80% part is safe, perhaps too safe. That’s where the other 20% comes in to play, and IMHO, is essential. I would never use Androsterone completely alone. It has some serious downsides. I’ve never liked the effects I’ve gotten from wearing Androsterone alone…” MHarris by PM to me (October 18, 2005): “…You could view A314 as super debugged Androsterone. Rone alone has many downfalls which I’ve spent years correcting. I would no longer associate [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) with Androsterone, necessarily. While it’s a drop in replacement for Androsterone in a mix, it sure as heck doesn’t work like normal Androsterone. It also contains a little less Androsterone than it did before…” [MX102 experimental A314 mix 1: early user experiences, no effect yet, dosing tips](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx102-experimental-a314-mix-1/521/29) MHarris (August 1, 2006): “…A314 is highly refined Androsterone that doesn’t put out the “Walk all over Me, I’m Mr. Rogers” type prescence that Androsterone alone can sometimes do on some men.” [6 pack thread (The Great Androstenone Experiment Parts 1 & 2)...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/6-pack-thread-the-great-androstenone-experiment-parts-1-2/189) “…You find “debugged” Androsterone in A314…” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-it-possible-to-od-on-small-amounts-of-soe/8332)._