# Is summer ammo beta? Summer ammo vs ammo once and for all **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 29, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511 "2017-11-29T20:55:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jpg98\_georgetown.edu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@jpg98\_georgetown.edu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jpg98_georgetown.edu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511/1 "2017-11-29T20:55:16Z")
Hey everyone, I know there are threads on ammo vs summer ammo a lot but most are not detailed or very comprehensive. Summer ammo with its additional social element has been cited by at least one individual as coming off as beta.. Could someone in laymens term describe what makes ammo and summer ammo the go-tos and the best general phero out there? thanks all. ---
**Author:** ![prettyrickyboi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/prettyrickyboi/32/1308_2.png) [@prettyrickyboi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prettyrickyboi)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511/2 "2017-11-29T21:58:56Z")
I believe summer ammo has TAA in it. I find when I use it its like the effect of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS, maybe not quite as good. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511/3 "2017-11-29T23:50:43Z")
People with higher testosterone should do better with Ammo Summer, people with low T may do better with regular Ammo. Ammo Summer leans toward the social/friendly of the balance beam with a more chilled/laid back vibe and the TAA in it is more magnet like toward the younger age of women and the [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) kills anxiety, while Ammo regular is more toward the status/sexual without the extra molecules in it. The ‘beta’ is likely because if you happen to have lower T and use a more social balanced product, you dont have as much status in your signature toward others but this can be adjusted by adding other molecules to the mix. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511/4 "2017-11-30T02:53:43Z")
On a side note, has anyone ordered and received any AMMO or Summer since mid-October? ---
**Author:** ![prettyrickyboi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/prettyrickyboi/32/1308_2.png) [@prettyrickyboi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prettyrickyboi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511/5 "2017-11-30T14:08:41Z")
> [@masu](#): > > On a side note, has anyone ordered and received any AMMO or Summer since mid-October? Yes, I have. Just a to-go bottle though. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-summer-ammo-beta-summer-ammo-vs-ammo-once-and-for-all/67511/6 "2017-11-30T14:30:29Z")
They are only beta if you handle them that way!