# Is the current Instant Jerk just glorified Turned Up The Heat? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 5, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128 "2015-04-05T18:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128/1 "2015-04-05T18:37:18Z")
I’ve been on this site for quite a while, with some hiatuses. I know IJ used to have copulins in it, and I think that’s the version I once had. I got awesome results from it. Heck, I used it in a strip club (combined with A314 and IH), and one dancer engaged in prohibited contact with me. Good times 😉. TUTH is meant to do exactly what the name says once things start getting sexual, although I’ve adopted it for putting up an alpha male vibe with a good degree of success. From what I know, the current version of IJ has 5x the androstenone of TUTH. Are there any other differences? Copulins were the reason I first bought IJ, despite having fears of OD’ing on androstenone, since I was younger at the time. Does IJ have anything that TUTH doesn’t have, or vice versa? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128/2 "2015-04-05T21:44:55Z")
IJ’s steering is quite different to TUTH - Even without the cops, it remains a full-on aggressive/confrontational product in a way that TUTH in OD can never replicate. There are few threads on putting the cops back into IJ if that’s what you want. Data4 has written lots on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128/3 "2015-04-06T03:01:13Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > IJ’s steering is quite different to TUTH - Even without the cops, it remains a full-on aggressive/confrontational product in a way that TUTH in OD can never replicate. > > There are few threads on putting the cops back into IJ if that’s what you want. Data4 has written lots on the subject. If IJ is a full-on aggressive product, it sounds like there’s something in it to disinhibit other people’s actions and cause their aggression. Maybe it’s [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). Still, without copulins, I see it as glorified TUTH, only with an unnecessary risk of having to deal with a moron who smelled the IJ and got on your case. I have no problem with that risk, _if_ it comes with the social proofing of copulins. Hey, natural jerks live their whole lives that way. I’ll definitely buy IJ again if copulins are put back. It’s more cost-effective than buying TUTH or the current IJ, buying EOW from the other place, and mixing the two. ---
**Author:** ![Alpha360](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alpha360](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alpha360)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128/4 "2015-04-06T13:13:59Z")
There are a lot of companies who sell copulins, so you can buy instant jerk and add copulins in it. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128/5 "2015-04-06T18:04:28Z")
Attractor, I own both because I get a little different spin off of each of them. IJ is like bad girl candy. Lets you troll through the room and pick them out very easily. Be advised a lot of these women come with considerable baggage. I also use it in outdoor environments. While similar they are two different animals. They actually “feel” different to me. Funny, I just received a bottle of IJ just this morning. It is only my 2nd bottle ordered in 3-4 years. Not for everyday wear, but when I want it, I want it. Concerts, big parties, wilder venues. Tuth is more my go to to sex up a business or social mix, or for later in the evening when you want to steer interactions with the ladies toward the bedroom. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-the-current-instant-jerk-just-glorified-turned-up-the-heat/64128/6 "2015-04-06T18:43:25Z")
There is an old IJ-like product sold by a competitor. In spray and oil forms, if the cops vibe is essential. I quite like the oil version as it has a lot of the impact but is smoother and more suited to full-on alpha mixes with A314. Personally I get-on best with the sardonic vibe of current IJ, with a little IS steering and usually a fair whack of A314. However EOW isn’t the most expensive product if yo ushop around and a bottle will last you a very long time - mine is in a triple-bagged tin in my shed! So it is fairly easy to create a good approximation of the old IJ if you want.