# Is there a point in getting anything if no AMMO or A314? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 8, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827 "2010-03-08T00:25:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/96bed5/32.png) [@Rstar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rstar)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/1 "2010-03-08T00:25:43Z")
I’m trying to place an order and … no [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) in stock - travel or regular … no A314 in stock … none of the mx 314 test mixes … a bunch of putatives mentioned on forum not in stock MY kind of luck 🙂 IS, IO, IH and I think TUTH in stock but after reading dozens of posts, usually those aren’t worn alone as the “main event” but as supporting players to an Ammo, A314, etc. Is there a point of ordering anything at all until Ammo or A314 gets back in stock? ---
**Author:** ![hercs63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8c91f0/32.png) [@hercs63](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hercs63)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/2 "2010-03-08T00:35:43Z")
There’s still another 15 AMMO ‘World edition’ left… ---
**Author:** ![mikdal9201](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikdal9201/32/2358_2.png) [@mikdal9201](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikdal9201)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/3 "2010-03-08T01:04:59Z")
> [@Rstar](#): > > I’m trying to place an order and > > … no Ammo in stock - travel or regular > … no A314 in stock > … none of the mx 314 test mixes > … a bunch of putatives mentioned on forum not in stock > > MY kind of luck 🙂 > > IS, IO, IH and I think TUTH in stock but after reading dozens of posts, usually those aren’t worn alone as the “main event” but as supporting players to an Ammo, A314, etc. > > Is there a point of ordering anything at all until Ammo or A314 gets back in stock? go with the “supporting players” as you say… that way you can pounce on the AMMO or A314 when they return to stock and you can buffer them right away instead of waiting. You may be very surprised by the reactions you may see with the socials alone. make sense? ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/4 "2010-03-08T01:52:40Z")
as disappointing as the current situation is, i think you can still get a good start with the rest of the consumer line. a314 and ammo can be easily od. by starting with some of the socials, you can practice good testing habits and get a feel for how you gradually change your phero sig. by the time ammo and a314 come back around, you’ll be experienced at testing so you can get the most benefit and most bang for the buck in those products. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/5 "2010-03-08T02:07:29Z")
You could try starting out with IG instead of A314. The effects are similiar, though not exactly the same. Some people may actually prefer IG to A314 but never give it a chance, so it may benefit you to try that instead. ---
**Author:** ![pinkydapimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@pinkydapimp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pinkydapimp)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/6 "2010-03-08T03:35:04Z")
Both of these are back in stock FYI. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 6:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/7 "2010-03-08T06:22:01Z")
Mix some Rone based IG with Nol Based IO and add one shot of TuTH and you have a sort of Ammo on steroids mix, very different ratios, some extra steering factors thrown in but you’ll have the same based covered that way. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/8 "2010-03-08T15:09:48Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Mix some Rone based IG with Nol Based IO and add one shot of TuTH and you have a sort of Ammo on steroids mix, very different ratios, some extra steering factors thrown in but you’ll have the same based covered that way. Not really. You are not really considered sexy but rather charming and open but possibly somewhat physically attractive. You tend to get put in a friendzone with this from what I noticed. IO has ~15mcg of anol per spray and IG has ~15mcg of rone , while TUTH heat only has about 2.5 mcg anone. AMMO is balanced 2.5 mcg of each, which makes anone stand out quiet strongly as SEXY! ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/9 "2010-03-08T17:01:23Z")
So would upping the TuTH balance it out more?, say 2-3 shots? I figure TuTH and Ammo have equal none amounts, One shot IO is 15mcg of nols so it’s like 6 shots of Ammo on that part of the equation. IG is also 15 mcg Rone and one other mone..not sure what, or what the ratio is. So even with 3 sprays of TuTH you’d still have a lower none to Rone/Nol ratio than straight Ammo but would it be enough to avoid the FZ? ---
**Author:** ![antisoshal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@antisoshal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/antisoshal)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/10 "2010-03-08T17:02:40Z")
To be 100% honest, In Stock doesnt mean anything either at this point. I have two large orders of all “In Stock” items placed, and both say “shipped” but have not in fact been shipped. Cant get any answer at all whats going on. Opened tickets and was told it was shipping and it didnt. Asked questions and was told to look at a forum post that has no useful information. No info at all. All I’d like to know its whats really up. If one item is holding the rest up, I will drop the item. I do which they wouldn’t mark an item shipped if it plainly hasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/11 "2010-03-08T23:05:28Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > So would upping the TuTH balance it out more?, say 2-3 shots? > I figure TuTH and Ammo have equal none amounts, One shot IO is 15mcg of nols so it’s like 6 shots of Ammo on that part of the equation. > IG is also 15 mcg Rone and one other mone..not sure what, or what the ratio is. > So even with 3 sprays of TuTH you’d still have a lower none to Rone/Nol ratio than straight Ammo but would it be enough to avoid the FZ? I am not sure… I guess it depends… Someone who is 18-25 yrs old and/or that might be really buff and fit … might have good results with 1x TUTH 2x IO and 2x IG; however, I am not a big, bad, buff, young dude… I am just someone who is approaching my later 20’s and have a fit athletic body; I guess I produce a sufficient amount but not as much as tough young guns… That is why products with higher ratio anone, but not too much, such as AMMO works out well for me. Usually 1 to 3 shots is good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Rstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/96bed5/32.png) [@Rstar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rstar)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-a-point-in-getting-anything-if-no-ammo-or-a314/36827/12 "2010-03-09T01:12:13Z")
> [@antisoshal](#): > > To be 100% honest, In Stock doesnt mean anything either at this point. I have two large orders of all “In Stock” items placed, and both say “shipped” but have not in fact been shipped. Cant get any answer at all whats going on. Opened tickets and was told it was shipping and it didnt. Asked questions and was told to look at a forum post that has no useful information. No info at all. All I’d like to know its whats really up. If one item is holding the rest up, I will drop the item. I do which they wouldn’t mark an item shipped if it plainly hasn’t. yikes. that holds me up from ordering. Please keep updating how things turn out.