# It appears I've been banned from LS. **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [June 15, 2006, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424 "2006-06-15T08:09:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/1 "2006-06-15T08:09:45Z")
To my surprise, I might add, since I have no idea why. If someone could do me the favor of asking, I’d appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![StandingTall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/standingtall/32/474_2.png) [@StandingTall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/StandingTall)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/2 "2006-06-15T13:55:23Z")
LS has a definite pattern of banning users and sometimes it seems for no good reason at all. That’s one reason I’m glad I found this forum. It’s much more free over here to speak out on any product, or just act silly at times…both frowned upon it seems at LS. Don’t get me wrong, LS is a great place to buy from but as far as getting feedback on different products, or just feeling like you’re a part of an online community, LS is lacking. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/3 "2006-06-15T13:59:30Z")
I think I noticed your “banned” status some time ago. It’s one of the things that has worried me about L-S forums. Take a look at how many (former) L-S users are now listed as “banned” and scratch your head as to why. I’ve looked back at the old posts many made, and have seen zip as to what they did to deserve getting kicked off. (Unless it was some sort of PM incidents.) If you will notice as well, a certain Androtics rep is also “banned”… (at least as of the last time I looked). THAT is a TOTAL mystery to me… As a result of all this, I have become less and less involved at that forum, even in terms of reading the posts, much less considering posting myself. The L-S mods say they don’t want to discuss the reasons they have banned someone, even in general terms it seems. I’m not sure I agree with that, as it leaves far more questions, and causes me far more uneasiness, than if they were upfront about it. A little too “1984 thought police,” a little too secretive, for me. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/4 "2006-06-15T14:39:37Z")
Some of the mods practise double-standards. They delete external links posted by members but such links posted by themselves are acceptable (i.e. Aloeswood Oil thread). When questioned, they refer you to the stickies, no discussion of competitors etc. You will be marked once, twice & so on… & you’re banned (no apologies). [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) usage is a collective & educating experience. While LS offers many products, not all of them works for a particular individual. So, we buy from others, yet are not allowed to discuss this collective experience when using LS products with other products. Where else can we discuss this? It’s not like it can be done with family or friends over lunch??? A strong & effective product need not be defensive about criticisms but deal with it in order to improve user experience. Some negative product aspects are “being swept under the carpet” & dismissed like it’s the wearer’s fault (i.e. Chikara & arguments). But clearly this issue have plagued quite a few users. Sometimes I wonder if the product was over-hyped in the first place. Such practices will only bring preemptive demise of the business & loss of customers. But I guess they’re earning enough to practically dismiss this. A strong & customer-friendly competitor can turn this around in a few years. No edge lasts forever. Sometimes it requires a jolt to put the awareness in place. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/5 "2006-06-16T00:47:58Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > Some of the mods practise double-standards. They delete external links posted by members but such links posted by themselves are acceptable (i.e. Aloeswood Oil thread). > > When questioned, they refer you to the stickies, no discussion of competitors etc. You will be marked once, twice & so on… & you’re banned (no apologies). > > Pheromone usage is a collective & educating experience. While LS offers many products, not all of them works for a particular individual. So, we buy from others, yet are not allowed to discuss this collective experience when using LS products with other products. > > Where else can we discuss this? It’s not like it can be done with family or friends over lunch??? > > A strong & effective product need not be defensive about criticisms but deal with it in order to improve user experience. Some negative product aspects are “being swept under the carpet” & dismissed like it’s the wearer’s fault (i.e. Chikara & arguments). But clearly this issue have plagued quite a few users. Sometimes I wonder if the product was over-hyped in the first place. > > Such practices will only bring preemptive demise of the business & loss of customers. But I guess they’re earning enough to practically dismiss this. A strong & customer-friendly competitor can turn this around in a few years. No edge lasts forever. > > Sometimes it requires a jolt to put the awareness in place. I agree. I don’t like the vibe there. I take my business where I’m treated right. When I’m happy, my credit card is even happier. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/6 "2006-06-16T00:56:47Z")
I went through your last couple of posts to see if there was anything that might have prompted them to delete your post, but I didn’t see anything. Did you PM someone something? You did speak quite highly abuot a314 a bit, but I don’t think that should be an issue. I’ve had a couple of my posts deleted simply for mentioning the name androtics. With respect to Bruce’s business, I suppose its understandable that he wants to protect his customer base and all, but to take it to the extent of of banning members without any bit of warning is a bit much. The Mods on LS seem particularly insecure about the mentioning of Androtics on their forums. People post about competetive products all the time (pherlure, pheromore, Winnifred Cutler’s Athena product to name a few), and no one seems to mind so long as no posting of links is involved. Even when links are posted, the worst you’ll see is an editing of the post. I guess Androtics is the first company to really pose a threat to LS’s business, which is kind of ironic considering that they still carry A314. Had I not bought A314 from them though, I probably would have never made it here. I’m glad I did though. There are a handful of products from LS that I still like, but for the most part, most of what’s offered here is much better. They’ve released quite a few new products lately (possibly to keep up?), but nothing in particular has caught my eye. I’ve seen a lot of things go down in the LS forums that didn’t feel particularly welcoming. I’m glad none of that happens here. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/7 "2006-06-16T07:01:55Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I guess Androtics is the first company to really pose a threat to LS’s business, which is kind of ironic considering that they still carry A314. Had I not bought A314 from them though, I probably would have never made it here. I’m glad I did though. There are a handful of products from LS that I still like, but for the most part, most of what’s offered here is much better. They’ve released quite a few new products lately (possibly to keep up?), but nothing in particular has caught my eye. AR offers equal customer service compared to LS, if not better. AR’s product guarantee & refund policy is generous & gives a wide berth for users to try the products. To turn it around, AR will benefit greatly with large influx of strong user base. Coupons, higher discounts, combo sales & small gift samples of products will make many users very happy. A bi-monthly newsletter with announcements of new products, combo sales & higher discounts will prove to be the an attractive pull to many. A small mystery sample vial (as a gift) will delight the customers. The strong user base will grow & bring in more users by word-of-mouth. Maybe try recommend-a-friend rewards? Veteran users will prefer chem sets, tailor-made base/mixes (alcohol or oil) & different delivery systems i.e. personal/room diffusers. (Check out those aromatherapy pendants). After using [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) for a while, I realize a soft & “creeping” approach of pheromones is indeed more useful than a quick & overwhelming blast like alcohol delivery. It allows time for me to tune my advances while monitoring responses & reducing congruency issues. Works extremely well in lengthy meetings & close encounters. As an example, the success of A314 should not be taken for granted. What sets A314 apart from others is the mix itself & oil-based delivery. I’ve never had extended effects of pheromones last so long in my weather, compared to alcohol-based products. Any veteran user should have 2 versions of a successful mix. A quick-release alcohol-base for short encounters & a timed-release oil-base to be used selectively. I’ve always wondered. Is there a difference in the quality or purity of pheromones at work in products? Does higher purity work better? This is a scoop which many veterans are curious about. ---
**Author:** ![Visionary7903](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/45deac/32.png) [@Visionary7903](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Visionary7903)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 8:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/8 "2006-06-16T08:00:54Z")
Yes I was banned from LS as well a few weeks back because of a PM I made mentioning Androtics I assume (they might have thought I was working for them). I got no explanation of why I was banned or anything just simply banned. I expect better treatment than that. I have to agree with some of the points made here: - Androtics is the first company to really challenge LS and probably has substantial market share already. That is why I think you are seeing LS trying to bring in a lot of new products now. MHarris and Jasmin know their stuff and know it well whereas I think a lot of the LS crew only have a superficial understanding of what different pheromones really do, etc. I would be scared too if in their position. - There seems to be too much criticising of people’s experiences on LS. For example, I was bagged for saying that regularly using A1 sometimes caused negative effects on males at my workplace (unfriendliness) and I was told by a few of the EXPERIENCED posters that they had not seen anything of the sort and I was imagining thing - “it’s the way you act” they said. Also I cannot believe how little was discussed on negative effects of Chikara-I definitely get some negative reactions when wearing this regularly even at 1 spray a day. Yet again people were saying “it’s the way you act” and it never happened to them. - This place is just more cutting-edge - over-there they have been talking about NPA, SOE, AE, PI - the same products and still the best more than 3 years after I learned about pheromones. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 8:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/9 "2006-06-16T08:59:59Z")
IME, the **A1 rebound** is a legitimate issue, although I receive such responses more from females than males. Rebound from females usually occurs a few hours after 1st positive contact. Some beta males display a mild but noticable disgusted/annoyed look on their face upon 1st contact. Remarkably, gays seems pleased with me while wearing A1 (25mcg & I have a headache). It was a single hit, I need to try this a few times to really pin it. Rotate the use of A1, don’t use it daily. Wrt being banned, I guess I’m next 😃 Some of the vets in LS promote themselves to be the spokeperson for a particular product/phero based on their own experience. Maybe the successes have gone to their head. **@Visionary** Do you eat pork? I’m trying to establish the link of **boar taint** wrt to androstenone buildup in the bodies of lone wolves? Too much androstenone could lead to aggressive moods. Is this possible? What is your opinion? Thanks. i2w ---
**Author:** ![Visionary7903](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/45deac/32.png) [@Visionary7903](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Visionary7903)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/10 "2006-06-16T09:36:24Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > IME, the **A1 rebound** is a legitimate issue, although I receive such responses more from females than males. Rebound from females usually occurs a few hours after 1st positive contact. > > Some beta males display a mild but noticable disgusted/annoyed look on their face upon 1st contact. Remarkably, gays seems pleased with me while wearing A1 (25mcg & I have a headache). It was a single hit, I need to try this a few times to really pin it. > > Rotate the use of A1, don’t use it daily. > > Wrt being banned, I guess I’m next 😃 > > Some of the vets in LS promote themselves to be the spokeperson for a particular product/phero based on their own experience. Maybe the successes have gone to their head. > > **@Visionary** > Do you eat pork? I’m trying to establish the link of **boar taint** wrt to androstenone buildup in the bodies of lone wolves? Too much androstenone could lead to aggressive moods. Is this possible? What is your opinion? Thanks. > > i2w Yes i2w I am begining to agree with your assessment of A1 - not to wear the stuff everyday as it can have a rebound effect EVEN on women. I am thinking this has something to do though of them getting accustomed to it like every other mone. Or it might be to do with creating a weird kind of ‘intimacy’ vibe that they are not so comfortable with say because it is a group situation or they don’t want to be smothered in a relationship or they are married (_just a theory of mine_). Maybe rotating it with mones which have similar effects (such as [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) especially or maybe even P78 and P74) might be an option to still get some kind of similar benefit on days when A1 isn’t worn. Regarding Pork, no I hardly eat it at all but I do eat Chicken and occassionally Beef etc. I still had the ‘lone wolf’ problem even when my diet consisted of hardly any meat but included lots of fish. I don’t think my ‘Love Wolf’ problem comes from having high-Androstenone (I definitely don’t) but from the way I look (dark hair and eyes, sharp male features) and act (mostly quiet and not particularly talkative until I get in the mood or know the people very well). Yes and it’s funny how every second guy over 30 over at LS thinks that they know everything about women and are quite happy to harshly castigate newbies (especially young and unconfident ones) about what they are doing wrong. I bet you in real life a lot of these guys aren’t as successful as they like to portray themselves behind the computer screen. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/11 "2006-06-16T09:42:50Z")
> [@Visionary7903](#): > > Yes I was banned from LS as well a few weeks back because of a PM I made mentioning Androtics I assume (they might have thought I was working for them). I got no explanation of why I was banned or anything just simply banned. I expect better treatment than that. Wow they banned you too? Both you and catlord were pretty big contributors to the forum. It baffles me to think that they’d kick their customers to the curb like that. > [@Visionary7903](#): > > I have to agree with some of the points made here: > > - Androtics is the first company to really challenge LS and probably has substantial market share already. That is why I think you are seeing LS trying to bring in a lot of new products now. MHarris and Jasmin know their stuff and know it well whereas I think a lot of the LS crew only have a superficial understanding of what different pheromones really do, etc. I would be scared too if in their position. Definately. I’ve gotten a whole new perspective to pheromones after having come here, and felt overwhelmed with all over again after reading over the threads here. I still have a lot to explore with what’s offered here, but I’ve learned quite a bit in the past couple of months. Not to bag on LS’s products or anything, but I’m not too impressed with the new stuff coming out. Quality over quantity man. > [@Visionary7903](#): > > - There seems to be too much criticising of people’s experiences on LS. For example, I was bagged for saying that regularly using A1 sometimes caused negative effects on males at my workplace (unfriendliness) and I was told by a few of the EXPERIENCED posters that they had not seen anything of the sort and I was imagining thing - “it’s the way you act” they said. > > Also I cannot believe how little was discussed on negative effects of Chikara-I definitely get some negative reactions when wearing this regularly even at 1 spray a day. Yet again people were saying “it’s the way you act” and it never happened to them. > Visionary Yeah the unwelcoming criticism of people’s experiences and thoughts that lay (or lie?) outside their status quo is what really puts me off about the forums over there. They seem too wrapped around the “its not the mones, its you” response to every question brought up on the forums. There’s a lot of truth behind that, but I do think its become more of the cool, smart (smug) thing to say, rather than the most advisable. I mean it is a pheromone forum after all, shouldn’t we consider the fact that it could be the pheromones might be behind the effects we see? Frankly, I’ve seen quite a few new posters get put off after getting slammed for asking genuine questions, and I’m sure it affects Bruce’s business. > [@Visionary7903](#): > > Yes and it’s funny how every second guy over 30 over at LS thinks that they know everything about women and are quite happy to harshly castigate newbies (especially young and unconfident ones) about what they are doing wrong. I bet you in real life a lot of these guys aren’t as successful as they like to portray themselves behind the computer screen. > Visionary Ow thats harsh. But I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/12 "2006-06-16T09:59:52Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > AR offers equal customer service compared to LS, if not better. AR’s product guarantee & refund policy is generous & gives a wide berth for users to try the products. > > To turn it around, AR will benefit greatly with large influx of strong user base. Coupons, higher discounts, combo sales & small gift samples of products will make many users very happy. > > A bi-monthly newsletter with announcements of new products, combo sales & higher discounts will prove to be the an attractive pull to many. A small mystery sample vial (as a gift) will delight the customers. The strong user base will grow & bring in more users by word-of-mouth. Maybe try recommend-a-friend rewards? The quality of the products will sell themselves. I think AR should definately step up their marketing. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 10:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/13 "2006-06-16T10:29:22Z")
I thought I would get banned after the whole Pherlure thing, but I didn’t. After that, I decided not to talk about Pherlure, since it was plainly pointless to try. I had been posting my experiences with LT and A314, both products they sell, and I even avoided mentioning Androtics products when my mixes contained them. Haven’t had any PMs in a long time over there. I would say I went considerably out of my way to avoid upsetting anyone, but I guess that someone got upset anyway. I’m a business owner myself. I know how things work. I can tell you definitively that the two most important things for making a business succeed are offering a high quality product and excellent customer service. Without those, there’s only one way I can think of to stay in business, and it’s not pretty. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/14 "2006-06-16T14:01:06Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I can tell you definitively that the two most important things for making a business succeed are offering a high quality product and excellent customer service. Wrt pheromones, not only the above apply but there’s a few other variables. Pheromones, unlike fragrance products, requires “awareness” in terms of usage. When I ventured into pheromones as a newbie, it was tough. Not only I have to observe other people reactions, I have to manage my own behavior as perceived by others, all while under the effects of pheromones. Those who don’t learn to pick up these cues early will struggle hard. A basic understanding of the indicated behavior of each pheromone/product is required, in order to use the correct product to complement or round-off the user’s “perceived attractiveness”. A guideline or FAQ from pheromone vendors will be most helpful. An educated & successful pheromone user will always be back for the edge 😃 **Dosage** - Understand individual chemistry/behavior make-up, use the correct pheromone & dosage for the job **Context** - Understand the types of product useful for a specific scenario **Congruency** - Understand the expected behavior of the wearer while using a particular product. Recommend resources to practise & deliver moned-up image successfully. i2w ---
**Author:** ![StandingTall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/standingtall/32/474_2.png) [@StandingTall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/StandingTall)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/15 "2006-06-16T14:18:43Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Not to bag on LS’s products or anything, but I’m not too impressed with the new stuff coming out. Quality over quantity man. Yeah, LS has had to add a lot of new products to keep up with Androtics…even to the point of adding products that even the owner is a bit leery of. A lot of phero buyers look for the next big thing or the ability to experiment. Androtics has a major advantage over LS because they can offer the next big thing a lot more quickly than LS and Androtics can get direct feedback and tweak existing products for better results. Androtics more vertically integrated approach will serve them well I think. ---
**Author:** ![Moses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@Moses](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Moses)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/16 "2006-06-16T21:05:02Z")
Once in a while I venture over to the LS forums to keep up with the new products and such. I rarely find any usefull info over there because the LS forums and store seem so elementary and outdated compared to this site. I think the quality of products offered here is much higher than LS, and Harris is always looking for feedback so he can constantly better the products. I stoped using mones for a while after years of inconsitent and dissapointing products I got from LS. Actually, discovering this site is what got me back into mones again. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/17 "2006-06-16T23:20:20Z")
I stopped going there because of a few things. One of which was that the same products were being beaten to death, over and over, and over… how many times can you ask the same question about AE, or TE, or NPE, or… there was just nothing left to learn there. ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/18 "2006-06-17T02:22:05Z")
That bruce boyd is actually not very friendly if you’re not a customer. He is just putting up a false front. If I want LS based products now, I go to [pheromonesandmore.com](http://pheromonesandmore.com). Even for my LT, I got it straight from Vero Labs instead. ---
**Author:** ![zagat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/51bf81/32.png) [@zagat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zagat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/19 "2006-06-17T02:55:02Z")
the problem is lovescent and pheromonesandmore ar ethe same company. ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 3:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/20 "2006-06-17T03:22:16Z")
> [@zagat](#): > > the problem is lovescent and pheromonesandmore ar ethe same company. What makes you say so? I’m keen to know.. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424.md?page=2)