# It appears I've been banned from LS. **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [June 15, 2006, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424 "2006-06-15T08:09:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/81 "2006-07-06T16:12:52Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > one thing i find disturbing here is that everyone replying to Bel does so from the safety of another forum…unless it is important to you that you air dirty laundry, or vent, what would be the incentive to continue the conversation? i can understand why the different parties feel hurt/fear of being banned, but from the point of view of a nuetral woman standing by, it appears to be a gang-up because the atmosphere is safe to do so. we need to be examples of what it is we seek to have perpetuated, and as i reply to this thread i find myself in similar situations… what is **MY** incentive here? reason. i too may be banned from either forum, C’MON PEOPLE,READ MY REPLIES LOL! but that is the risk i take when i voice my opinion…in my own words… Fact is, I missed the fun & great place which LS used to be. I should come to terms (sigh). But we have a new joint now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/82 "2006-07-06T16:54:39Z")
Fact is, I missed the fun & great place which LS used to be. I should come to terms (sigh). But we have a new joint now 😃 there is alot more in this world to enjoy than to complain about, and me thinks im going to pheromone-up and find me something to apreciate! LOL!😮 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/83 "2006-07-06T17:23:10Z")
> [@Belgareth](#): > > I think we are discussing apples and oranges here. Did you ever read the rules thread posted? Does it describe conditions where a person will be banned without warning? Do you think that a user has some obligation to read something called forum rules? Can anybody appeal it to Bruce? I see a lot of “I didn’t want to” but nothing about “I talked to Bruce about it and he…” > > But that is not what we were talking about, is it? We were talking about somebody saying something untrue about another, weren’t we? Let’s see…There is the accusation of censorship but I cite examples where what is claimed did not happen, that isn’t addressed. There’s the claim of unwritten rules but the rules are clearly posted for anybody to read. There are accusations of us reading people’s PMs. The way LS’s version of the forum works it would be impossible to do without major changes the user would see. We have never read a person’s PMs and never will despite the implied accusations made. PMs and emails have been forwarded to us but we have never read one otherwise. Perhaps a little more honesty here would help? > > There are complaints about secrecy. That one I admit I am not willing to budge on. Anybody is free to assume anything they want about the relationship between the posted rules and why somebody was banned but I am not willing to put my butt out there in lawsuit happy America for anybody, much less for somebody that will go someplace else and call me names behind my back. It’s a courtesy to the person not to make negative public statements about them, a courtesy that was not extended to me. But it is also self preservation. It’s nice to say the law says this and that but the reality of huge legal bills to defend myself is still there. > > I’m not sure where the delusion comes in that this forum, LS or any other forum is a free speech zone. None of them are and never will be. Every forum has rules of conduct that are enforced to some degree. But there is a difference between what is claimed about me and LS and the truth. > > I’ll make the offer again: Anybody that feels like they have a legitimate complaint is free, welcome and invited to contact me. I will not talk about individual issues in public now or ever but will openly talk to anybody in a private conversation. I will make one more comment. This thread, and the negative comments that encompass it, come as a result of a fault on Love-scent’s end…They come as a result of a badly faulted policy of banning people without warning. Had the mods at Love-scent provided the simple courtesey of explaining why a person had been banned, or why a post had been deleted, we likely would not have ended up here to conjure up our own theories. That isn’t to say that I’m denying the legitimacy of what was said here, as the sum of our own separate experiences paints a pretty clear picutre of what was going on. I do understand that you guys are open to discuss why a person had been banned or why a thread had been deleted (though even that policy has its faults apparantly), but as a proactive means of containing whatever resentments come as a natural result of reprimanding someone, you should, at the very least, provide an adaquate explanation of your actions, instead of expecting people to find out for themselves…or worse yet, assuming that people already know what they did wrong. Most of the people who had been banned, don’t even know why. They might have unknowingly broken some ambiguous rule on LS, however they did not spitefully, or even intentionally go out of their way to cause a ruckus on the forum. Don’t you think that people, at the very least, deserve some warning before banning them? Is it right to be so harshly reprimanded when there isn’t a clear, legitimate reason why? You have to understand that forums like this one or Love-scents are much more than a place of discussion…Whether you guys like it or not, there is a marriage between the forum and the place of business. Its almost unfair to associate the forum and the business so closely, but to us, the LS forum is the face of an otherwise anonymous place of business. Isn’t that the purpose of having the forum after all? Whether the mods realize this or not, as representatives of the forum, you are representatives of LS’s business as well, and everything you guys say and do, is a direct projection of both. In the future, before ruthlessly banning people, I hope that you take the time to evaluate how this affects a person not only as a participant on a forum, but as a customer to LS’s business. After seeing the people who had been banned mentioning it here, I literally thought to myself “damn him too?!” as they were participants on LS’s forum longer than I. Put yourself in the shoes of a customer and imagine how it feels to have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars at a store, only to be so harshly disregarded and kicked to the curb without explanation. Is that the impression Bruce wants to make about how he values his customers? Its no different than people refusing to eat at a restaurant because they were provided bad service. People like being treated respectfully, and people will shop where they feel comfortable and welcome. The damage on this end is done, and there’s no point in trying to cover up the mess. I hope Bruce and everyone at LS uses this as a learning experience, and a means to further improving their operation. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/84 "2006-07-06T18:45:58Z")
Well it was several months ago when I tried to make contact and was very frustrating. Not a big deal now. Anyway, if people feel offended by this thread then by all means shut it down. I kinda agree with a few here, if you were to totally censor everything, then it would remove the fun of just being human. lol. Hope everyone had a happy 4th; any stories anyone? ---
**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/85 "2006-07-12T01:25:58Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > Well it was several months ago when I tried to make contact and was very frustrating. Not a big deal now. Anyway, if people feel offended by this thread then by all means shut it down. I kinda agree with a few here, if you were to totally censor everything, then it would remove the fun of just being human. lol. > > Hope everyone had a happy 4th; any stories anyone? Stories? Does an 85mph motorcycle crash count as a story? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/86 "2006-07-13T00:49:08Z")
> [@thr3shold](#): > > Stories? Does an 85mph motorcycle crash count as a story? Daaaaaaaaaamn! thats worthy of a new thread! 😮 like, now, if your not busy…lol:o ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/87 "2006-07-13T01:04:25Z")
Wow I got my first L-S forum newseltter in 6 months today! Another 25% off coupon code. Catlord and others, get your Pheros and EW now! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/88 "2006-07-13T01:07:00Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Wow I got my first L-S forum newseltter in 6 months today! Another 25% off coupon code. > > Catlord and others, get your Pheros and EW now! gee what does one have to do to get a coupon??? you got connections?lol 😉 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 11:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/89 "2006-07-13T11:40:36Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Wow I got my first L-S forum newseltter in 6 months today! Another 25% off coupon code. > > Catlord and others, get your Pheros and EW now! I couldn’t do much with even a 99% off coupon, right now. Until my bank transfer comes through, I’m dead in the water. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/90 "2006-07-13T15:21:48Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > gee what does one have to do to get a coupon??? you got connections?lol 😉 Go the their store website and sign up for the newsletters, and I think there was a seperate Forum mailing list as well, as at one time I was getting two similar emails (just mainly from different addresses). The delivery has been erratic, and BB even says this latest email was re-sent because he felt the first batch didn’t get delivered (he was right in my case…). I’ve had to re-sign up about 4 times over the past 18 months with them, then finally gave up. I’d mention the “coupon code” here but I think I’ll let one of the already banned users do that… just in case. You enter it on checkout just like you do at SmartMones with gift certificate codes and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/91 "2006-07-14T00:17:20Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Go the their store website and sign up for the newsletters, and I think there was a seperate Forum mailing list as well, as at one time I was getting two similar emails (just mainly from different addresses). The delivery has been erratic, and BB even says this latest email was re-sent because he felt the first batch didn’t get delivered (he was right in my case…). > > I’ve had to re-sign up about 4 times over the past 18 months with them, then finally gave up. > > I’d mention the “coupon code” here but I think I’ll let one of the already banned users do that… just in case. You enter it on checkout just like you do at SmartMones with gift certificate codes and the like. thanks,my dear. im beginning to feel naked without pheromones on, lol. isnt that weird? what i liked about LS was the gel packs. i have to travel with them, and it makes it so freakin convenient. when they do that here, i will be the first to order. i just cant carry my bottles with me,lol. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/92 "2006-07-16T04:55:52Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > thanks,my dear. > im beginning to feel naked without pheromones on, lol. isnt that weird? what i liked about LS was the gel packs. i have to travel with them, and it makes it so freakin convenient. when they do that here, i will be the first to order. i just cant carry my bottles with me,lol. I feel not naked without pheromones, but diminished. As if I don’t impact my surroundings with the same gravity, so to speak. And what’s stopping you from buying from LS? I’m pretty sure Androtics will have gel packs eventually, but until then… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/93 "2006-07-16T11:38:22Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I feel not naked without pheromones, but diminished. As if I don’t impact my surroundings with the same gravity, so to speak. And what’s stopping you from buying from LS? I’m pretty sure Androtics will have gel packs eventually, but until then… thats the difference between you and me; you wear them to impact your surroundings, i wear them reguardless of my surroundings. not everyday, and not even alot, but they are like my sunglasses. nothing has stopped me from purchasing at LS… i dont believe i said that? whats\*\* _in_\*\*the gelpacks mean more to me than having any ‘ol pheromones hanging around. so i wait patiently for Harris to get his gelpack makin’ self together 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kardz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/67e7ee/32.png) [@Kardz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kardz)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/94 "2006-07-17T22:45:46Z")
Out of all the folks banned, 1 person to my knowledge there that deserves to be banned but hasn’t been, is J.V. Kohl himself. The guy that made SoE as alot of us are familiar with. Anyone who was a member around a year ago over there, will difinitively recall how stuck up, abnoxious, rude, condescending, and disrespectful he was to a number of people. And for whatever reason, he was allowed to continuously down and discredit posters how and when he wanted if he didn’t like what they said, when he was in one of those moods. If I remember, to you too Belg. I recall him being warned quite a number of times. He seemed to get better after a while, but I guess when your the author of a top selling product on the site, and a leading mind on pheromones, you get a free pass to do that kind of thing to people. Yet others, myself included, were banned for much less if anything. I think the issue here is consistancy. Mods there just aren’t consistant with what justified a banning and what didn’t, and didn’t bother to clarify alot of others obviously. Wich left alot of people left wondering, and like someone else here said, theorizing. I think Bruce being the Admin could of stepped up more and gave more clarity to those inquiring, being loyal customers. And I remember alot of loyalty over there for a good while before this site exploded. But I can’t imagine it’s the same level anymore. Aside from that though, this thread has been relatively predictable. A good read, and I think people bring up valid points. And it’s refreshing how people can be civil here yet have differences and not have the thread locked up. But in the end i’m not sure if anything is resolved, or was even worth defending knowing either side can’t win or be satisified. And it just brings up the same exact thoughts about how this reflects on you and LS from both perspectives as I posted initially. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/95 "2006-08-01T09:15:39Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > thats the difference between you and me; you wear them to impact your surroundings, i wear them reguardless of my surroundings. not everyday, and not even alot, but they are like my sunglasses. > nothing has stopped me from purchasing at LS… i dont believe i said that? > whats\*\* _in_\*\*the gelpacks mean more to me than having any ‘ol pheromones hanging around. so i wait patiently for Harris to get his gelpack makin’ self together 😃 Assumptions, assumptions. You should know better, Lor. 🙂 I wear pheromones for at least three reasons. I’ll let you figure them out, since you know everything, apparently. 😛😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/96 "2006-08-01T15:44:07Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Assumptions, assumptions. You should know better, Lor. 🙂 > > I wear pheromones for at least three reasons. I’ll let you figure them out, since you know everything, apparently. 😛 😃 i am so going to bite you when i meet you! 😠 ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/97 "2006-08-06T17:57:02Z")
Bumping this because once again, someone mentioned another company’s products (Pherone this time) and an LS former moderator decided to be extremely rude and downright patronising, to the individual concerned. I have had great results from both the women’s Pherone products, and it totally makes my blood boil that everybody at LS appears to be shut down the moment they mention aother company’s products DO work. Man..surely to goodness they realise people purchase from various companies when it comes to EVERYTHING in daily life? Does everybody buy their groceries from one store? Do they heck, so why should pheromones be any different? Excuse me, I have a PM to compose. I may well end up getting banned from there myself as a result, but enough is enough. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/98 "2006-08-07T02:18:16Z")
im outgrowing it. still have a couple favorite people over there, but they know who they are. over and out. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/99 "2006-08-07T02:25:19Z")
hehe I read that thread and identified you by the Rainbow girl icon on LS. yeah that oscar guy was very rude. Seems like some people just are too lazy to “think” and would rather spend that same time being rude rather than helping out someone with a question. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/100 "2006-08-10T22:31:57Z")
Well.. I may just have risked a ban myself, even though I was VERY polite to Bronzie.. I simply posted in his thread over there about A314 (which he has just received for the first time) where he again attacks the “b-grade” web-page, as he calls it - that perhaps if he had shown willing to listen when people from here gave him truthful reports about A314, he wouldn’t now be asking how it works, and what is in it. He really nips ma heid, as we Scots say… \>\_\< Ail 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424.md?page=6)