# It been a long time!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [February 22, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380 "2009-02-22T16:16:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/1 "2009-02-22T16:16:47Z")
I found your forum after researching ‘Liquid Trust’, my reason for researching LT is because i am trying to get back into dating after many barren years. I don’t want to get to heavy but i suffered bad depression for may years, and last year i was diagnosed with ‘Social Anxiety Disorder’ SAD. Now i am not a wall flower and not shy when it comes to being opinionated but these days in groups and with strangers i do feel uncomfortable, and woman well the more beautiful they are the more my ability to communicate disappears, i literally become speechless. Now it was not always this way, when a young lad i was very flirty and went out with some very hot girls, but i was crap at relationships and when i did fall in love it was failure and big painful mess that dragged up mountain of repressed childhood issues that led to my depression. I think it may be useful to mention that these childhood issues related to being rejected by my mother who i have not seen or had contact with for nearly forty years. Now i have nearly five years of therapy and did some CBT last year for SAD, also a couple of years ago i started learning to dance in an effort to get out and about again and meet some women. I have not yet been successful on that front, this is not due to not attracting them and i do get hit on enough to have been successful by now. My problem is lack of confidence and as mentioned before the total loss of ability to communicate, hence the research of LT which i hope will help me relax and trust myself and others. I should add the more forward and chatty a women is the better i get but most don’t hang about while i get over this wall. With all this in mind i read this forum with interest and about the affects of certain products and how they can make women more relaxed and chatty and hopefully this will allow me to function better. So i ordered LT which i am still waiting for plus i got ordered (received) intro pack which consists of: SOE NPS Edge gel packs Perception gel packs I will be off dancing monday night and will try out my intro pack and see how it goes, i was going to try SOE and NPA, though know most recommend just trying the one product to start. I would appreciate if anyone has any info on product that may have similar affect as LT? cheers Male 45 London PS i don’t expect products to cure my psychology issues but be more of a little helper. **PERSONALITY UPDATE** Here is an update and bit more depth to my personality type. As already said i have suffered with depression and social phobia, and looking back i have had these since childhood in varying degrees. When every changing environment i would need a warm up period before i could be myself, but even then i could be prone to withdrawal. All this means i can be a bit complex, in my youth i was known for being loud, even a little arrogant or stand offish, but very sociable. I have always had a vibe of being in control and in my youth of being older than i was. I am at the alpha male end of the spectrum, not the bouncer rip your head and crap in the hole type more a subtle ‘that is far as you go’ type. I always find i am the one people turn too when the crap hits the fan, the one they expect be able to deal with tough issues and make decisions. The issue of approachability has come before, for some people i am, for others not, with kids and babies i am a bit of a pied piper and have no problems making a connection, in fact young children can get so relaxed and comfortable so quickly it can be scary. I think the approachability issue stems from my sometimes being unable to communicate and this is not understood. A lot women tell me i have expressive eyes, that i speak with my eyes, which handy as the mouth often fails me 🙂 well i think is about it. I will create a new thread on my experinces. cheers ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/2 "2009-02-22T16:20:22Z")
HI there, Welcome to the forum For your case, generally you need [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). IO will make the girls want to talk to you. It is an ice breakers. It makes you more approachable. IH will make them talk more personal and longer lasting with you. They will feel like they have known you for long time Shine is a feel good phero. It lift your mood and the mood of the people around you. It also boost your confidence in approaching girls. CHeers ---
**Author:** ![KatieA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katiea/32/1225_2.png) [@KatieA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KatieA)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/3 "2009-02-22T17:08:14Z")
Hey, welcome to the forums and good luck on returning to the dating scene. Don’t worry, I know how you feel. I have every anxiety disorder in the book. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) would be a very good starter for you, imo. It makes you and all around you happy and feeling great. & like Jamesbonded said, I’d also recommend [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). 🙂 Experiment around with it and find what’s best for you. As for the last statement: I go to a psychologist and psychiatrist for my Anxiety Disorder, it really, really helps a lot. Some might be a little iffy on taking pills and whatnot, but trust me, I promise you.. It will make you feel so much better. You’ll get over your anxiety, I promise. 😉 Best wishes to you. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/4 "2009-02-22T21:21:35Z")
Welcome to the forum. I have found IS, and AMMO together is a great confidence builder. IS also boosts by my mood. It really is a good uplifting product. You might want to start there. Also someone mentioned IO and I agree, it really makes poeople mor comefortable to talk to you. Also, what is your age? If you decide to get some products here, report on them ao we know how they worked for you. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/5 "2009-02-23T02:45:43Z")
Hello Welcome to Pherotalk 🙂 Hmmm I think out of what you bought the edge and scent of eros will be most helpful to you. LT is not a effective product really and is very inconsistent since oxytocin needs to be administered directly into the nasal passage in high doses to effect the brain and can only live outside the body for 3 minutes. There are other mones in LT so those should help. Here I would suggest IO IH Ishine for you. Ishine is charismatic uplifting warm It can boost your confidence quite a bit. IH and IO are social mixes. IH is more deep and connecting. IO is more chatty and fun Both attract and add comfort. If you have any questions just ask. **Your GC is on its way** Tisha ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/6 "2009-02-23T10:58:11Z")
Hello and thanks for replies, looks like i will be investing in at least IO and IS and most likely IH. One question though, i read somewhere else on forum where one person said SOE was similar to wearing IO and IH, would this be true? This also raises the question of over lap between products from alternative sources? For instance how would NPA and the Edge compare against products from SmartMones in terms of what they are meant for? cheers ---
**Author:** ![matthie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5ac83/32.png) [@matthie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/matthie)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/7 "2009-02-23T12:16:00Z")
I tried Liquid Trust (_the oxytocin spray right? )_ for a week to client appointments, dating, meeting strangers and it didn’t work for me. Back to trusty [pheromones](https://a314.com/).🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/8 "2009-02-23T17:40:43Z")
Hello Carp and welcome to the forum. A lot of us also use products from LS so we can help you somewhat. Androtics sponsors this forum but they do not mind if we mention other products. However out of respect we do not discuss other products in a whole lot of detail. The other big difference here is that androtics produces all their own products whereas LS is a reseller for most of their stuff. That being said: the exact formula of SoE is a secret but yes it is similar to a combination of IO and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) or CTTM2. Once again similar is the key. SoE is meant to be more of a rounded base product whereas in my opinion IO and Instant honesty are much more targeted. I have all and use the one I need. I also like NPA. It is close to TUTH in effects. But once again slight differences. again I own and use both. I have never tried The Edge so I cannot give you definitive answer on that one. I think it is like a tame TUTH. Try doing a search under Gegogi - I know he has used it before. I will tell you that I prefer Androtics beacuase they produce their own products and because they tend to be very targeted. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/9 "2009-02-24T00:14:38Z")
Well SOE is more social but it has masculine mones in it. Just not anone. So I would say while there are some similarities they are not exactly alike. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/10 "2009-02-25T15:08:29Z")
Hello and thanks for replies, they are helpful. I have ordered some IO IS and some TUTH, although i mostly looking to improve my communication, if other communicate with it i feel more at ease, if i get some hits then the ego will feel better and so will i. I know i have NPA already but hey i have dance weekend coming where there will be lots of single women so who knows i might get lucky 🙂 OP updated ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380/11 "2009-02-26T12:46:13Z")
All i can is i am impressed with the online shop service, ordered Tuesday and it arrived today along with free gift 🙂 Have dance night tonight so will be trying out the goodies. thankyou.