# It seems weird! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 27, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-seems-weird/53508 "2011-11-27T03:48:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![classA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba9def/32.png) [@classA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classA)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-seems-weird/53508/1 "2011-11-27T03:48:43Z")
I recently purchased mones but have been following these forums for 1 year+, so i know what to expect from each one. I hope you guys can offer your expertise on whats going on. I am a 22 year old guy. I think i produce more than average -none as my dad was into weight lifting, and i have been lifting for 3 1/2 months. Im not big in build, skinny but a bit of muscle and look fit/athletic. I am not a bad looking guy, and i do get IOI 's from girls now and again. I am 5’6. I decided to try phermones to boost myself so that i talk to girls easier (im shy sometimes!). Yesterday: 3pm gym 2x ammo, 2x IS Nothing really out of the ordinary (i am quite perceptive due to learning pua stuff). I did get one black girl check me out when i went to the shop afterwards. But recently, since i have started weight lifting, black girls have been looking at me more… high -none? Currently my aim is not to approach, but to observe everything.. as subtle as it is. I know we have to appriach to get the most out if it, but i am a skeptic, as well as being into body language and such, so i want to observe at least for a week or two anyway. 8pm work 2x a314, 2x IO zilch Today: 11.30 pm Club 2x IJ, 2 x IS zilch 12.30 another 2 spray of IJm 1 more spray of IS Zilch 1.30 one tall blonde girl looked twice at me as she walked into the smoking area and stood near me 2.45 decided to go home I did get what seemed to be respect hits, im not sure if these were out of the ordinary, but what i definitely noticed was that the guys with higher testosterone levels were looking at me more. I only got barged once, and that was by this really big guy. Am i OD’ing? Im not sure Do i need more socials? maybe, i MAY already have high - none Can anyone give their feedback and your own experiences with these combos ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2011, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-seems-weird/53508/2 "2011-11-27T07:46:51Z")
[Pheromones](https://a314.com/) are a PUAs dream hahaha well at least for the guys who believe theres nothing wrong with making it easier ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-seems-weird/53508/3 "2011-11-27T13:34:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I decided to try phermones to boost myself so that i talk to girls easier (im shy sometimes!). Well then why are you wearing [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) IJ and A314 and if you bought them to boost yourself so you could talk to girls easier then why are you not approaching and talking to girls? Your intentions and your testing methods dont match. Do you see what I am getting at ? If your trying to test to see if they boost your self confidence and ability to talk easier to girls then you need to approach and talk. If you trying to test to see if they make girls comfortable approaching you more then your using the wrong products. Your using stuff that conveys masculinity, sexiness, attraction and arousal. They get you noticed but not necessarily approached more. They make your approach more productive though. Masculines dont convey comfort and approachability. Its really not the signal they send. In fact most of the time with A314 if you dont approach it wont work at all to draw people to you and talk because people look for a signal from the alpha that its alright to approach. He has to lead. Think of the signal that AMMO is sending. Masculine. popular, cool, interesting sexy male. Now think about that same aura in a girl (except switch masculine for feminine). Are you going to feel confident approaching her ? You already mentioned your shy so most likely not. You have to create the comfort so the girls can act on the attraction and observing them is not going to do that. I know you mentioned your into PUA and BL but unless your an experienced expert in BL, which I am, your most likely reading half the signals wrong because most PUA have learned BL within the PUA community. While BL is important part of communication and I think everyone should learn it dont rely on that one form of communication to convey and communicate everything thats occurring. Its in the interaction that BL speaks the loudest. You should be concentrating on IO IH and Ishine. You should be testing them one at a time at different dosages. 2 sprays is rather low with socials especially when used with the other products you were wearing. These are the mones that will help bring them to you with out you having to create that comfort. They influence the level of comfort for you. Its OK to be skeptical but if you are its really important to follow the sweet spot testing guidelines Steve laid out in the intro stickies and to use the right product for the desired outcome. My advice is to go back to square one and just work with IO first. This will help you get over your skepticism so you can concentrate on getting the other products working with you instead of against you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-seems-weird/53508/4 "2011-11-27T14:10:40Z")
Good advice from Tisha above - All too often I see guys come on here hoping to get “confidence” self effects from high-none/status products, whithout thinking that these very same products can conspire to make them seem remote and unapproachable to the very people they want to get closer to! Socials are certainly the way to go here. 🙂 Also: > [@classA](#): > > 8pm work > > 2x a314, 2x IO > > zilch Why? IO is the product you use to weaken A314 - A dose like that would have more or less cancelled out. A314 by itself, fine, IO, fine too - esp in your situation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dc4da7/32.png) [@Professor\_P](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Professor_P)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-seems-weird/53508/5 "2011-11-27T17:11:15Z")
> [@classA](#): > > I am a 22 year old guy. I think i produce more than average -none as my dad was into weight lifting, and i have been lifting for 3 1/2 months. Im not big in build, skinny but a bit of muscle and look fit/athletic. I am not a bad looking guy, and i do get IOI 's from girls now and again. I am 5’6. > > … > > 8pm work > > 2x a314, 2x IO > > zilch > > Today: 11.30 pm Club > > 2x IJ, 2 x IS > > zilch > > 12.30 another 2 spray of IJm 1 more spray of IS > > Zilch > > 1.30 one tall blonde girl looked twice at me as she walked into the smoking area and stood near me > > 2.45 decided to go home > > … > > Am i OD’ing? Im not sure… Ok. Am I lost a bit. Clearly you are 22 so none should be decently still high. _shrugs_ Is that all in one day, though? 8pm work then club at 1130? Or these different days? Because if this is the same day your none is THRU THE ROOF! That’s 2x a314 and 4x IJ in a little less than FOUR HOURS! That stuff usually last longer than four hours in my experience. More around 6 to 8. You nonin the crap out of everyone. 😛 Even if the work and club were different days, ur still looking at 4x IJ and you think you already have high none to begin with. The thing is, IS isn’t really the buffer you are looking for either if you are talking about approachability. In combination it will give you that college jock feel. It buffers the aggression with a playful, fun, confident feel like you the cool kid on campus or something. But you still are totally the alpha. Tish is right. Your mixes say, I’M THE MAN. So you are getting exactly what you would expect from that mix. Respect hits. You the alpha. You the man. But I’d be shocked if you’d have girls coming up to you or doing more than sneaking glances with all that none floating around. Not to mention that when you sweat socials can break down into none so wearing them in the gym can be cool (I find they help me push a little more out of my workout) but they can also raise your none markers that much higher. In the end, Tish is right. So far you have gotten the response your mixes would naturally give you but unless you are going to actually go and be the alpha and start initiating and approaching these girls, what you are looking for is socials. Try some pure social mixes and see how the response changes. Who knows. You might even have a chick or two start up a conversations with you. Anything’s possible.\* \*As a bit of a secret of sorts (or at least I’ll call it that), we know that the bacteria in sweat breaks down socials into none. So think about this. If you are a dancer or at least brave enough to get on the dancefloor, going high socials can put the girls at easy, get their attention, and get them talking. Snag the one you want (still might take actual game… nomes can’t necessarily do everything for you 😛) and get to dancing. If you really get a good long dance in and have some fun, the close proximity combined with you sweating and the breakdown of the socials will up the none. So free none. Plus, the longer you dance the more sexual the tone will become. It’s like the perfect easer. It’s like free ramping of the sexual tense that will seem to come naturally. How about that, right? Class dismissed. 😛