# ITNerd799's Excellent Adventure From Friend to Oh Baby! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 26, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483 "2011-05-26T21:15:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/61 "2011-06-19T17:32:10Z")
Okay weirdness. Despite our falling out Jillian told me she overreacted and she still wanted to be friends. Fine whatever I really don’t care anymore. Here is the kicker though, she then immediately asked if she could come over to my apartment and hang out. Okay so the story is she found out I liked her and flipped a shit and said I ruined the friendship and she was done with me, then she said she overreacted and then wanted to hang out the same day. I am not reading too much into this because quite frankly she pisses me off to no end with her bullshit. I decided I would give her the asshole she seems so fond of. 1 spray of IJ to the chest She didn’t really seem to respond to it at all, at least I couldn’t see anything different. She was clearly acting different but that could be because of the falling out we had only the previous day. She did ask me who I was texting during the movie because I did get a few texts, but just to drive her crazy I kept picking up my phone and mock texting someone throughout the entire movie as if to say, yeah I don’t really want to be here talking to you I would rather talk to this person. I just told her people and left it at that. It is not really a lie or a game to be honest because I really didn’t want to be in the same room as her because she royally pissed me off. She said I was not her type, and she would never like me that way. So fuck her, I have a new goal, to drive her crazy like she drove me crazy. I am going to stop being the really nice guy I was trying to be to garner her affections and be the real me and treat her like all of my other friends, which my friends have been known to call me an asshole more than once, so we shall see how it goes. It shall be an interesting experiment to see if I can bring out anything in her. That being said she is no longer my primary target, I will use her to experiment with combos and take notes and then I will use my findings to find a girl way hotter and way better then she ever could be. It is a shame, I really did like her but I guess things can change at the drop of a hat. So yeah she will no longer get special treatment we will see if she likes that at all or if it will drive her crazy. I can’t wait for the day she starts fishing for compliments with me like she always did and I can be honest instead of the sappy loser I was being when I was blinded by feelings. I won’t be too harsh because I really do think she is still very attractive, but there is no reason for me to say so anymore. **Conclusion** Like I said I didn’t get much of an effect with the IJ at just 1 spray on the chest. I think I am going to try and up the spray to 2 and put it on my neck maybe to see what happens. I didn’t even really feel self effects, then again it was on my chest so that probably had something to do with it. I gotta start finding some more girls. I was never really good at this part though, I hate bars, and the ones in this area are filled with women in their 40s so yeah no thank you, being only 24 I want me some young girls 18-25 sounds good. Just gotta find some place around here where I can find that. ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/62 "2011-06-19T18:24:56Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > Okay weirdness. Despite our falling out Jillian told me she overreacted and she still wanted to be friends. Fine whatever I really don’t care anymore. Here is the kicker though, she then immediately asked if she could come over to my apartment and hang out. Okay so the story is she found out I liked her and flipped a shit and said I ruined the friendship and she was done with me, then she said she overreacted and then wanted to hang out the same day. I am not reading too much into this because quite frankly she pisses me off to no end with her bullshit. I decided I would give her the asshole she seems so fond of. > > 1 spray of IJ to the chest > > She didn’t really seem to respond to it at all, at least I couldn’t see anything different. She was clearly acting different but that could be because of the falling out we had only the previous day. She did ask me who I was texting during the movie because I did get a few texts, but just to drive her crazy I kept picking up my phone and mock texting someone throughout the entire movie as if to say, yeah I don’t really want to be here talking to you I would rather talk to this person. I just told her people and left it at that. > > It is not really a lie or a game to be honest because I really didn’t want to be in the same room as her because she royally pissed me off. She said I was not her type, and she would never like me that way. So fuck her, I have a new goal, to drive her crazy like she drove me crazy. I am going to stop being the really nice guy I was trying to be to garner her affections and be the real me and treat her like all of my other friends, which my friends have been known to call me an asshole more than once, so we shall see how it goes. It shall be an interesting experiment to see if I can bring out anything in her. That being said she is no longer my primary target, I will use her to experiment with combos and take notes and then I will use my findings to find a girl way hotter and way better then she ever could be. It is a shame, I really did like her but I guess things can change at the drop of a hat. So yeah she will no longer get special treatment we will see if she likes that at all or if it will drive her crazy. I can’t wait for the day she starts fishing for compliments with me like she always did and I can be honest instead of the sappy loser I was being when I was blinded by feelings. I won’t be too harsh because I really do think she is still very attractive, but there is no reason for me to say so anymore. > > **Conclusion** > > Like I said I didn’t get much of an effect with the IJ at just 1 spray on the chest. I think I am going to try and up the spray to 2 and put it on my neck maybe to see what happens. I didn’t even really feel self effects, then again it was on my chest so that probably had something to do with it. I gotta start finding some more girls. I was never really good at this part though, I hate bars, and the ones in this area are filled with women in their 40s so yeah no thank you, being only 24 I want me some young girls 18-25 sounds good. Just gotta find some place around here where I can find that. So you’re lookin for bars for girls in that age range eh? Might as well ask Jillian which bars she goes to. Get her to be your wingwoman. When you’re out w/ her, ask her what type of girls she’s into… Bro it’s like a total Mindfuck for women. Make sure you come off from a confident place and make sure you’re not doing it ONLY to mess with her mind, but to actually meet other women and expand your social circle… But don’t be afraid to enjoy the perks.It’s worked every time for me back when I was in college 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/63 "2011-06-19T18:35:57Z")
Nice, I like the sound of that. The goal is to meet other women I have pretty much given up on her, but I am curious to see what will happen if I spend more time with her in an environment like that. With the mones affecting her and all the other girls around it could make for some interesting hits from both sides. ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/64 "2011-06-19T18:41:36Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > Nice, I like the sound of that. The goal is to meet other women I have pretty much given up on her, but I am curious to see what will happen if I spend more time with her in an environment like that. With the mones affecting her and all the other girls around it could make for some interesting hits from both sides. There you go… IMO, she’s only useful as the second girl in a threesome or a wingwoman at this point. Do NOT be afraid to introduce her to other single guys. The more you’re willing to walk away from her and even introduce her to other guys, the more powerful you’ll be in her eyes. The guys she’ll be talking to will do the hard work and bore her to death while you’re out having fun talking to more attractive women…So if you end up bored enough at the end of the night, she _MIGHT_ have a chance to hook up with you 😉 Btw… glad you’re over her man 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/65 "2011-06-20T21:21:18Z")
Yeah more or less, she is definitely absent in my mind a lot more then she was before all of this, though I would not be opposed to just hooking up with her in the future if she presents herself. I know I have never done it but I think I am going to attempt the ONS game for a while see if I can get anywhere because clearly trying to find a relationship has not worked in my favor yet. If Jillian hears about or observes my ONS game who knows what she may end up doing. I just have to find a good place in my area for such an endeavor, so far I haven’t been able to find anything too great that has the kind of women I am looking for. ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/66 "2011-06-27T23:27:08Z")
Okay game on! So basically I have been putting out my feelers and trying to get myself a new target. Nothing as substantial as Jillian yet, in fact I have first date coming up. From what I can tell L is very shy, very very shy and she has told me how she is very self conscious because she has had “abusive” boyfriends in the past. No details yet I am sure they will come if she gets comfortable. So since she is very shy and self conscious I think I am going to go with a nice friendly mix tonight, unless the date is moved which it might be depending on how she is feeling. IG to give her the nice masculine but not too alpha vibe IS to elevate our moods and create happy thoughts IO to help her open up and talk more, possibly IH but I am not sure how she would react to that being shy and nervous. And to top off the mix p83 for that warm friendly crush feeling it creates. I shall use this as my “First Date” Mix and we shall see how it goes! ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/67 "2011-06-28T04:39:59Z")
Wow okay, so I don’t really have a report. We did get together and I wore the combination I listed, but for the first time ever I could not detect a single hit with this girl. She was so hard to read I can’t even figure out of it went well or not. She stayed from 10 pm to about 12:38 despite saying she was really tired and should go home and that she said she was having fun despite the fact I couldn’t tell if she was or not. Until I get a grasp on this girl I don’t think I will be able to report anything. We shall see if we see each other again! ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/68 "2011-07-26T05:15:31Z")
Update: Been a while, sorry. Despite the fact that I haven’t been around or posting I have been using some mones on special occasions. I haven’t been around as many girls as I would have liked but I have been getting some hits. For starters, despite the fact that Jillian was pretty clear about not having any feelings for me I am still using mones around her. Currently I have just really been testing individual mones alone with her specifically because I am curious to see the different effects it has on her. We do not get together as often as I would like otherwise I would have more data than I am about to share. I get the impression based off of my failure to achieve boyfriend status and the comment she made about liking assholes I decided to test out the IJ on her. I haven’t used it at all before because I was a bit intimidated by the idea, but I said what the hell I have nothing to lose because as far as Jillian is concerned we are friends and will never be anything more. **Hang out Session Part 1** Unfortunately her schedule has been super busy so I literally have only hung out with her twice in the past month. The first time I wore two sprays of IJ. Now mind you this was literally like days after we had the argument where she was considering terminating our friendship, and then last minute she turned around, and not only did she decide to keep our friendship but she made plans to hang the same day. She made a bunch of rules about what I can and cannot do and bull like that and I said okay I will oblige. So I wore two sprays of IJ this time. I didn’t get much of anything because she was acting a bit weird and sat on the opposite side of the room. Not much of a hit, I figured it was the first time using IJ so maybe two sprays wasn’t enough or maybe it doesn’t work well with my chemistry, or maybe she is immune to its effects. At the end of the day she got home and texted me thanking me how I didn’t make things awkward and she looked forward to hanging again in the future. **Hang out Session Part 2** Okay so a month later, actually yesterday to be exact, Jillian and I hung out again for the first time since the last time. Let me back track a bit. The previous week she said we should hang on Sunday and I said I would keep my schedule open for her. Something came up that day and I had literally forgotten about the plans I made with her so when she called and asked what I was up to and if I wanted to hang I said I was not free. She seemed taken aback by this because I think it is the first time I have ever told her I couldn’t hang with her. I said I would definitely keep next Sunday clear and if we both happen to be free again we should hang out. Next Sunday rolled around and I was free and she was free so we made it happen. I decided I was still curious about IJ and its effect on her so I decided to go 3 sprays on the neck with nothing else. We got together and we talked for hours, then we ordered a pizza and we talked some more, pretty standard for us. This time she sat on the end of the couch that was right next to my easy chair instead of the opposite side of my apartment. One side note, when she first got there I saw her pull up so I decided instead of having her buzz in I would open the door and greet her myself. When I did this I caught her still sitting in her car adjusting her hair in the visor mirror. I was intrigued. I know girls like to look good no matter where they are going but I dunno it seems the hair check in the car before seeing a guy might be an IoI but then again what do I know. At first I thought maybe she had the windows down, but the weather here has been god awful and very humid all week and I know she hates humidity and would have driven with her AC on for sure. When she saw me she quickly threw up her visor and gave me a big smile as she stepped out of the car. How was she dressed, well to be honest she was much nicer dressed than she was the last time I saw her. A low cut top showing off some really nice cleavage shorts, and not just flip flops this time, but a pair of nice sandals with straps. Again it has been pretty hot here so dressing like that could be just because she is hot but I will keep it in mind as an IoI. She was not wearing makeup though, if she was I didn’t notice it at all. Anyway back to the story, so we spent a lot of the time in close proximity. I admit I still like her, but I don’t feel as strongly as I did, so the entire time I treated her like any one of my friends, which includes the playful banter and opening mocking her for stuff. She actually made several comments about how I was an asshole, playfully though of course, but she kept bringing it up. For example, it was late and she had to drive a half hour home, she said “Are you going to be like my mother now and ask me to text you when I get home?” I simply told her, “why would you do that? I am sure you will get home fine.” she was yet again taken aback and accused me of being an uncaring asshole and that I would feel guilty if something happened to her, to which I replied, “if something happens to you it is your own fault for driving poorly” So she stayed another half hour anyway and as she was leaving she just said, “I will text you when I get home even though you don’t care about me at all” to which I replied, whatever you want to do! I will be here." **Conclusion** Okay so basic conclusion. It has been a while and I am not sure if it was the IJ or the different way I am treating her but our rapport was pretty good, we had long talks in close proximity, she played with her hair while talking to me, also she talked a lot with her hands, which for the most part were always palm facing toward me, which I read could be an IoI but I think that is stretching it because people who talk with hand gestures are always all over the place. When we played Kinect Sports she kept giving me a lot of high fives, could be IoI, or it could be that she is super dorky and likes giving high fives to people, but I say it was at least 5-8 high fives in one two hour playing session. A lot of comments on how much of a jerk and asshole I am, IJ maybe, who knows lol. She said she had a lot of fun and hopes to do it again soon, and that I am an important friend to her. Not sure what my next plan is, I haven’t been around a lot of girls lately apart from Jillian and a party I went to, but I will cover that in another post. I am not sure if any of the IOI I listed above were attributed to the IJ but I get the feeling they were so I am going to say it works on her, but I might need something more than IJ alone I am not sure what pairs nicely with that as I have only used it the two times I listed here. I might try 4 sprays just to see what happens next time I see her since I went from 2 to 3 and saw results, I am curious to see if she reacts differently with 4. I know it is advised not to use too much of it but for the sake of science I might do it anyway. At this point if she comes around it would probably be a freaking miracle so I am not holding my breath, but she will make a good guinea pig as I test different mones and combinations of them on her. As always any advice or combo suggestions are welcome! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/69 "2011-07-26T05:37:29Z")
**Christmas in July** Okay so I went to a party over the weekend, Christmas in July to be exact. I was told 40 people were going to come, and pretty much all of them did. I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to test out and work with my congruency with the social mones. **Combination** 4 sprays of IH one on each wrist, and one on each forearm 3 sprays of IS one on each side and front of the neck 2 sprays of IG on my chest **Temperature** Normally I don’t pay attention to temperature, but since it was a party that was entirely outside and it was in the middle of a heat wave I think it is an important factor. The highs was 96-104 degrees Fahrenheit, and very humid. There was a pool, but for the sake of the mones I didn’t go in it because I was afraid they would just get washed away and didn’t know how pool chemicals would effect them and knew my time was already very limited do to the quick dispersion from the heat. **Time Frame** Party lasted for me 5:30 pm to 2:00 am, outside the entire time. **Backup spray** I carried with me to go bottles for refreshers, one IS x1, one IH x2, and for fun one TUTH Regular Strength. **Story** Okay so I got to the party around 5:30 even though it started at 5 because I wanted to be fashionably late, and also I figured most of the guests would already be there so they can all meet me immediately with mones in effect. The majority of the people at this party I didn’t know, the unfortunate part of the evening is the fact that despite there being tons of girls in bathing suits there, all of them had either a husband, fiancee, or long term boyfriend who just hasn’t popped the question yet. Because of this I knew I would not be getting any hook ups at this party, unless they were very naughty girls lol. Thankfully it was mostly a test of social mones and their effect on people I do not know in extreme heat and humidity. I was the life of the party, at least it seemed that way because of the amount of girls who were talking to me. The social mones definitely opened up the girls for speaking, or perhaps they were really just talkative naturally. So much so that is how I found out all of them were taken. I heard wedding stories, proposal stories, and stories of annoyance that the boyfriend hasn’t proposed yet. Nothing sexual at all it was more like I was one of the girls. That might be because despite the guys who came coupled with the girls, all of the others were gay men, so maybe they thought I was gay as well which if that is the case would completely throw off all of the hits I took note of during the course of the night. About 4 hours in is when I added refresher mones. I added one spray on each forearm of IH. 2 sprays on each side of the neck of IS, and for shits and giggles I added two sprays on the chest of TUTH. The conversations took a drastic turn, not sure if it was due to the alcohol people drank, or the level of comfort they felt with me after being exposed to the mones all day around me. Anyway suddenly they were telling stories of their crazy sexual adventures that they have had in the past with their current and sometimes past significant others. My guess is the TUTH coupled with the IH got them sort of turned on and in the mood to reminisce about past sexual excursions lol. It also could be due to the fact that the secret santa was in fact a XXX secret santa, which included blow up dolls and other various sex toys like vibrators and anal beads among some things. By the time I left at 2 am all of the girls had left and I was just left with my guy buddies and we talked about the hottest girls and rated our favorites to see if we had similar tastes. I went home after that. **Conclusion** I definitely got some solid hits with the social mones, and later in the evening some solid hits, at least I think so, with the socials coupled with the TUTH. Unfortunately for me I went home alone that night. I did get a couple of new friends on Facebook though so I left enough of an impression to warrant that so that counts for something. I wish I had more awesome parties like this lined up to try out more combos but unfortunately. I think the hits were the most blatant I had ever seen before, that could be because of the alcohol, it could also be because the mones dispersed more quickly due to the heat I am not exactly sure how that works but it could be a factor. I hope I get more opportunities before the end of summer to get some more solid experimenting in, but we shall see. Until then farewell! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/70 "2011-07-27T19:40:33Z")
Social mones are some of my favorites too. I’ve been reporting on it for a long time that I get more consistent hits with Ishine than anything else. A lot of guys already come across as sexual so with a little finessing Ishine, IO IG, IH and the likes really give the wearer an advantage over everything else. I’ve probably had more gratuitous sex with Ishine that any other product from AD. The only thing I would emphasize is that they can also land you in the friend zone. You will need to lead it in the direction you want it to go. Use your charisma and social charm for this and you’re golden. Expect to much out of the mones and you will quickly be left with lots of hot friends who are all doing your friends while you watch idly by on the sidelines. Its nice to see you reporting again. I always enjoy your journal 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/71 "2011-09-19T18:34:59Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > Cool I have played around with all of those a bit, except for A1, that is one that I don’t have in my arsenal. I don’t know much about A1 do you think it is a good mone to have or am I good sticking with everything else I have and seeing what works? > > I am also working on my game and hoping that I will be able to up it, but not in a way where I have to be manipulative I want it to be natural and truthful so I am just trying to find that perfect balance of nice guy and asshole, at least that is what Jillian keeps saying is what her ideal guy should do, so of course I am taking her advice to heart. If I can be that guy for her it will work out beautifully! I’ve been reading your journal (Really dig it btw,) and I’ll tell you like I tell every guy I’ve ever met that’s having these kinds of issues… check out the social dynamics type guys: ie Carlos Xuma, Gambler, and AFC Adam. Those guys don’t condone manipulation, they condone lifestyle enhancement and a more natural sort of ‘game’ and it’s amazing how well their ideas and tips work. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/72 "2011-09-19T18:39:18Z")
> [@thatsnice](#): > > I hear that it’s like P83 in how that creates a “crush” effect in the girl. Except A1 doesn’t do that. Apparently it creates lingering thoughts to where she’ll be thinking of you when she isn’t with you. > > **SECRET TO THE UNIVERSE RIGHT HERE (from my perspective):** > I think the overwhelming majority of where my game came from was from saying “No.” (A main tenant of DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating - where I pulled it from.) I’d never known to say it to a girl constantly. Sure I’d do it for a bit at the beginning, but then I’d become constantly compliant and let her walk all over me. > > Saying “No” or “Let’s do this instead . . .” or “That day doesn’t work for me . . .” or “Nah, I’ll tell you later” Is what she fucking loves. I am a **VERY** nice guy - I definitely put the pussy on a pedestal. But now by saying no, she’ll very often tell me “You’re the meanest boy I’ve ever known” or “You’re such an ass” or “I’ve never had someone be more cruel to me” or “I hate you” . . . and then she’ll continue making out with me, saying “How are you so fucking cute? Ughh.” > > I’m convinced this is the majority of the reason girls want a “rebel” or whathaveyou. Difference being, I let her see that I really care when it’ll melt her heart. And rebel-types usually blunder and fuck up. > > An example of a conversation we had in lab (before BF/GF): > _Her: “So, tell me about yourself.”_ > Me: “I’m a male stripper, I already told you.” > _Her: “You were joking about that, though . . .”_ > Me: “Oh, you think my major is a joke? Optometry is a great minor, but it’s not gonna give me much bank. I need to focus on what I’m good at.” > _Her: “You’re retarded.”_ > Me: “Now you’re definitely not getting anything out of me.” > _Her: “No - I! . . .” Angry pout_ > _Her: “. . . So wait, you never told me how old you are.”_ > Me: “Yeah I did. 33 . . . thousand. Years old.” (I’m actually 22) > _Her: “Ahahah, yeah? What year did you graduate?”_ > Me: " '72. Got held back a few times." > etc., etc. > > Or making fun of her fat toes. Or pulling her shirt down when we’re making out and her midrift is showing, claiming she’s showing too much skin. (To which she responded “Wow, so maybe I should just cover up everything?” _Me:_ “Yeah, a burqa would be nice.”) Or going to the bathroom and then going to play some videogames with her little brother while she’s still waiting in her room. Or withholding from kissing her because she says something bratty and finding it hilarious when she can’t withhold from me - her record is 11min. Or not letting her know whats on my mind _EVER_ when we’re intimate. Apparently I make a face to where I look like I’m about to tell her something very deep. But never do. That kills her and she bugs me for days. > > This is could be very _hard_ with Jillian since she knows so much about you - but if your life is changing a lot you can probably tease her about how little she knows about you now. And mix in some IG for a mysterious feel. I think to get out of the friend zone you have to convince them that they don’t really know anything about you. > > Swear to god I’m not plugging DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating here, but it helped me a lot. Shit, I didn’t even buy it myself, so go out and torrent it, hahah. That single tenant revolutionized my game. And it’s so easy, flirty and most of all \*\*FUN! > > \*\*I disagree with ScienceStudent, btw. If your sister is acting like a bitch, feel free to say so. Saying all women are “bitches and whores” and saying your sister is acting bitchy are completely different. Always call girls on their shit. Totally correct! David D’s stuff has been similar to my own personality for years but it was hit or miss until I realized that instead of being LESS of a smartass with chicks that I was dating, I shoulda actually ramped it up. Cocky humor and a bit of mysteriousness can be VERY sexy to a chick!!! ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/73 "2011-09-19T18:53:09Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > So I had my party, things did not go according to plan. First off Jillian got pissed off at me when she found out I still had feelings for her and decided it would be weird to have a friendship knowing I want to kiss her and hold her hand and be a couple and all that shiznat. Wow. How’d she find out? I’d say she’s more pissed at herself… that’s a very immature reaction on her part and it conveys that she probably has conflicting feelings for you and just doesn’t know how to handle them. YOU are the prize! ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/74 "2011-09-19T19:12:21Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > **Christmas in July** > > Okay so I went to a party over the weekend, Christmas in July to be exact. I was told 40 people were going to come, and pretty much all of them did. I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to test out and work with my congruency with the social mones. > > ITNerd Where have ya been man? I enjoy your journals… come back and report more, that’s an order! xD ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/75 "2011-09-20T14:54:18Z")
Sorry I have been away, shit went down with Jillian even more. To make a long story short, I thought everything was going good, we were becoming great friends, and talking on a regular basis and she never gave any indication there was a problem. Then I get attacked from her phone number by her friends via text messages telling me I am an evil manipulative guy who is holding her back and that I should forget she exists and never talk to her again, I insisted I talk to Jillian because if she had a problem with me, I didn’t believe for a second she condoned this behavior, till they told me she was sitting right there encouraging it. It came out of no where really, and now I am afraid that is that. I can’t talk to her because she clearly doesn’t want to talk to me that is why she sent her dogs after me basically. I have been going through all the stages right now I am pretty fucking pissed at her. I didn’t deserve that kind of treatment, no one does, that is immature high school shit that I left behind when I graduated high school in 2004. I don’t need it. Once I clear my head it is back to the basics, back to the experiments. I will find someone who appreciates me for who I am and actually has respect for me which clearly she did not or she would have never done this. I don’t need shit like this. ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/76 "2011-09-20T15:14:12Z")
Waiddaminute. Let me get this straight… this chick has taken you for a roller coaster ride every which way from Sunday, blatantly doesn’t know what the heck she wants, and then has the nerve to have her friends text you and call YOU manipulative? Something doesn’t add up here. Did you actually end up talking to her, herself? For all you know, it coulda been some jealous guy who was hanging out with her, hijacking her phone. If she WAS present, that was pretty lame of her. Did she ever say that she felt ‘manipulated’ in some way, or did her ‘friends’ say how you were allegedly being ‘manipulative’ towards her and ‘holding her back’? I would have asked that TO HER, along with 'after all, you’re just my friend, I haven’t had any interest in dating ya." in a casual sort of manner. Sounds like more trouble than she’s worth, and to be completely blunt, she sounds like a lonely little girl with no sense of identity and who is unable to figure out what she wants therefore she’s playing the ‘blame game’ upon the guy who she cant sort out her 15-year-old-ish emotional state about. I’d say go for chicks who are a few years older than you to be honest… that way you wont have to put up with as much of this emotionally draining high school crap, and (as long as you don’t go too much older than yourself,) you also don’t have to worry about some chick just being interested in ya for a boy-toy/trophy boy. > [@ITNerd799](#): > > Sorry I have been away, shit went down with Jillian even more. To make a long story short, I thought everything was going good, we were becoming great friends, and talking on a regular basis and she never gave any indication there was a problem. Then I get attacked from her phone number by her friends via text messages telling me I am an evil manipulative guy who is holding her back and that I should forget she exists and never talk to her again, I insisted I talk to Jillian because if she had a problem with me, I didn’t believe for a second she condoned this behavior, till they told me she was sitting right there encouraging it. > ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/77 "2011-09-20T17:40:38Z")
That’s the frustrating part. She never said a damn thing. I never did talk to her directly, unless she was pretending to be her friends which is even more fucked up in realty. They said she was there the whole time, for all I know it was a blatant lie, but the fact that the two friends she was with both took the phone and text attacked me leads me to believe she had to say something about it to them, because friends don’t normally attack people unless you hurt their friend in some way. It is bull shit, the worst part, the friends she is with are friends she went to school with who all live out of state now, so she will come back home and they will not even be there for her where I was actually going to be there for her as a friend. She gets back tonight, I am keeping my distance, if she wants to talk to me she knows how to contact me, if not it is no loss to me, just another bitchy little girl who doesn’t know what she wants, I don’t need it, I am 25 years old I am not looking for the girly teenage drama, I want a real adult relationship. ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/78 "2011-09-20T17:59:43Z")
Good man. If she called I would joke on her about it personally, tease her playfully, whatever, but if she doesn’t call, her loss. Sounds like you deserve an apology IMHO though. And from your journals I don’t see how you were ‘manipulating her’ other than being more attractive to her. Again, it just sounds like a chick that doesn’t know what she wants out of life, wanting to indulge in highschool drama but at the same time attracted to you and she has no idea how to manage her own feelings so she’s lashing out. On to other prospects with you, young man! 😃 Here’s one for ya… ever try any day game type stuff? (ie talking to women at places like coffee shops, church, grocery stores, etc?) Just striking up random conversations for fun in those types of venues? Also, I know ya said ya hate bars, but you never know what you’ll find going on there. Do you live in a small town or a big city? Night to night crowds can sometimes be different… several bars that I know have drink specials, which really bring out the younger crowds (less disposable income, etc) and those can be some really fun nights. Karaoke bars also sometimes pull in younger crowds. > [@ITNerd799](#): > > That’s the frustrating part. She never said a damn thing. I never did talk to her directly, unless she was pretending to be her friends which is even more fucked up in realty. They said she was there the whole time, for all I know it was a blatant lie, but the fact that the two friends she was with both took the phone and text attacked me leads me to believe she had to say something about it to them, because friends don’t normally attack people unless you hurt their friend in some way. It is bull shit, the worst part, the friends she is with are friends she went to school with who all live out of state now, so she will come back home and they will not even be there for her where I was actually going to be there for her as a friend. She gets back tonight, I am keeping my distance, if she wants to talk to me she knows how to contact me, if not it is no loss to me, just another bitchy little girl who doesn’t know what she wants, I don’t need it, I am 25 years old I am not looking for the girly teenage drama, I want a real adult relationship. > > ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/79 "2011-09-20T19:32:06Z")
Well main issue getting over the shy factor I have, I have gotten much better but sometimes I have issues approaching strangers and striking up random conversations, I fear I will come off like a creeper or something. But I have had some success in recent times, random conversations, but it never lead anywhere but at least it let me know I should stop being so worried about stupid shit and just dive in. Confidence is key. Strangely enough Jillian has made me more confident by being such a biatch to me for some reason because at first I felt awful, but after thinking about it and talking to people about it I realized I did nothing wrong, she is the one who is fucked up not me. I live in a very small town. To give you an idea I work in a school system as the IT guy, our graduating classes are only around 150-200 people at most, we have like 500-700 students total in the high school. I have gone to bars but the ones around here are frequented by people who are 40 and above. And I know you said I should date older women, but I think that is too old for me lol. I am 15 minutes away from Rutgers though, so if I really needed to find a younger crowd I only need to drive there. I feel like I should at least have a friend who attends Rutgers as a wing man though, unfortunately I do not at the moment lol. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483/80 "2011-09-20T21:15:23Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > Well main issue getting over the shy factor I have, I have gotten much better but sometimes I have issues approaching strangers and striking up random conversations, I fear I will come off like a creeper or something. But I have had some success in recent times, random conversations, but it never lead anywhere but at least it let me know I should stop being so worried about stupid shit and just dive in. Confidence is key. Strangely enough Jillian has made me more confident by being such a biatch to me for some reason because at first I felt awful, but after thinking about it and talking to people about it I realized I did nothing wrong, she is the one who is fucked up not me. > > I live in a very small town. To give you an idea I work in a school system as the IT guy, our graduating classes are only around 150-200 people at most, we have like 500-700 students total in the high school. I have gone to bars but the ones around here are frequented by people who are 40 and above. And I know you said I should date older women, but I think that is too old for me lol. I am 15 minutes away from Rutgers though, so if I really needed to find a younger crowd I only need to drive there. I feel like I should at least have a friend who attends Rutgers as a wing man though, unfortunately I do not at the moment lol. Really that isn’t that bad. What would you estimate your town population to be? If you’re only 15 minutes from around Rutgers, arent there any clubs around there? If nothing else, it’s a perfect place to build your confidence up by talking to chicks! As for a wingman, it can help but tbh isnt a requirement… being social in a place like that can make ya some friends too. A little IG + tuth + p83+IS in a club in a college town could definately make for some potentially interesting - and long - nights. Just keep sarcastic playfulness on your side and don’t go out with the mindset of ‘pick up chick, get number’, go out with the mindset of ‘meet people, expand social network, have fun’ 😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483.md?page=3) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/itnerd799s-excellent-adventure-from-friend-to-oh-baby/50483.md?page=5)