# It's a long way to the top if you want to pheromone! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 2, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562 "2011-06-02T06:43:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![vanhalenAC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/919ad9/32.png) [@vanhalenAC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vanhalenAC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/1 "2011-06-02T06:43:14Z")
Dear all my new friends at pherotalk, Hey everyone. First and formost, my name is Paul and I’m 19, I live in southern Michigan where it is decently warm in the summer, and not too cold in the winter. I love to go clubbing with me and my buddies. On a normal Saturday night we would draw straws for who has to be the wingman that night. I’m not very experienced with pheromones but I have been reading up alot on the forums here to get a good idea on what I’m dealing with. So like I was saying earlier, my buddies and I were going to this new club that opened up just a few weeks ago, so there were, the three of us staring at that dreaded pile of plastic drinking straws (I work at a restaurant so I get free straws) the man who drew the short one had to be wingman that night, but was immune for the next Saturday’s judgement (Just like survivor!) Needless to say with my luck, I got the short one and had a pretty bad night, my friends ended up at some hot chicks house and I wasn’t so lucky. So then I knew that I needed to have an edge up on my friends so I wouldn’t keep comming in last place. So a few weeks and some failed pheromone experiments later, I managed to stumble along to this place, and I must say that there is a huge amount of information here that even if I wanted to, I wouldn’t be able to read it all! After some serious reading sessions I am convinced that this is not just a fake website like some other pheromone sites out there, but a scientific haven for like-minded pheromone users like my self. Basically I’m looking for and all around edge up on the competition to help my endeavors. Particulary with the new 20 year old white brunette that I met at the club a few days ago. She is a regular there, just like us so I know I will see her again and will try to work some magic on her… But anyways I’m getting sidetracked. I look forward to being a part of this forum and sharpening my skills and will love any and all suggestions and help because I know I will need all the help I can get! Thanks for your time! ~-~Paul Oh, I was also reading about ODing on the forums, can this be done with nol products like IS and IO ---
**Author:** ![sugarplum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarplum/32/2259_2.png) [@sugarplum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarplum)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/2 "2011-06-02T07:16:28Z")
Welcome! You can usually wear high doses of nol without any problems, but too much of anything is not good. Everyone is different, but I think it is possible to OD on nol. When I wear nol that is not balanced with other mones, people don’t take me seriously. Nol makes you look more approachable, so too much can make you seem too unintimidating or like a pushover. Anyway, for your purposes I think you might want to try A314 or Turn Up the Heat. A314 will make you seem more alpha and attractive. It will make you seem above all your friends and give you an edge. Turn up the Heat is just plain sexual. I guess it also depends on the type of girls you would like to attract. If the girl is attracted to bad boys, Instant Jerk might work. If she wants someone steady and dependable, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) might be better. I’m sure you will be able to find something that will work on your target. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fade1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fade1/32/1949_2.png) [@Fade1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fade1)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/3 "2011-06-02T07:46:31Z")
As for your question, IS is primarily TAA I believe. Anyone can OD on anything , the best way to find out what would be YOUR OD point is to do some sweet spot testing. > [@How to find your sweet spot...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-your-sweet-spot/22146): > > Lately I have been getting a lot of calls from guys and gals unsure what the forum members mean when we say “sweet spot.”:stuck\_out\_tongue: Here’s a very simple way to find your individual sweet spot for each consumer line product like: Ishine IH IO AMMO A314 TUTH and so on. It’s very easy to do and I hope this guide offers you the assistance you need. When applying the pheromones, please ensure that you are using only one (1) [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) at a time. This step is extremely importan… I think you should try [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), it’s pretty much aimed at the pua scene people like yourself. It has equal parts androstenone (sexy) androstenol (charisma, charm, warmth) and alphanol (primary ingredient in instant open). If there is no established ‘alpha’ male in your group you would do well to pick up some A314 and claim that spot too. Welcome & good luck ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 9:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/4 "2011-06-02T09:25:48Z")
On high amounts of IS and IO you might actually feel a little burn out or overwhelmed at the end of use, and even when you’ve just sprayed you might be a little blanked out. Neurotransmittor buuurn. On a side note, high amounts of IO on you can be actually quite fun for you and those around you. I won’t spoil it for you. Go grab some and try it out. From your research, you’d probably already know what IS, TUTH, Ammunition and the like can do for you. However for wingman and player-dom I’d suggest 2 items in your arsenal. IG and A314. As sugarplum said, A314’ll steal the thunder right out of your buddies. BUT, you have to behave as if you’re the man. Go search up congruence. Its a little bit superfluous recommending IG to you but this is what it can do for you. It’ll make you a good wingman. You’ll be chill, a little charismatic (not as much as IS or Ammo) and you’ll be a wing that most likely 1. Wouldn’t mind when your buddies are set up with cute girls 2. The girls will see how cool you are when you’re trying to open up the set/wing your buddies 3. You run less risk of stealing the thunder when you draw the short straw What you and your buddies could all do is carry A314 and IG all on you. Wingman uses IG and the rest use A314 and or Ammunition (depending on what mix you’re looking for at that night) There’s a thread lurking somewhere on hunting in packs and applying mones on different guys to make them stand out in different ways. Look for it > [@vanhalenAC](#): > > Dear all my new friends at pherotalk, > > Hey everyone. First and formost, my name is Paul and I’m 19, I live in southern Michigan where it is decently warm in the summer, and not too cold in the winter. I love to go clubbing with me and my buddies. On a normal Saturday night we would draw straws for who has to be the wingman that night. I’m not very experienced with pheromones but I have been reading up alot on the forums here to get a good idea on what I’m dealing with. > > So like I was saying earlier, my buddies and I were going to this new club that opened up just a few weeks ago, so there were, the three of us staring at that dreaded pile of plastic drinking straws (I work at a restaurant so I get free straws) the man who drew the short one had to be wingman that night, but was immune for the next Saturday’s judgement (Just like survivor!) > Needless to say with my luck, I got the short one and had a pretty bad night, my friends ended up at some hot chicks house and I wasn’t so lucky. So then I knew that I needed to have an edge up on my friends so I wouldn’t keep comming in last place. > > So a few weeks and some failed pheromone experiments later, I managed to stumble along to this place, and I must say that there is a huge amount of information here that even if I wanted to, I wouldn’t be able to read it all! After some serious reading sessions I am convinced that this is not just a fake website like some other pheromone sites out there, but a scientific haven for like-minded pheromone users like my self. Basically I’m looking for and all around edge up on the competition to help my endeavors. Particulary with the new 20 year old white brunette that I met at the club a few days ago. She is a regular there, just like us so I know I will see her again and will try to work some magic on her… But anyways I’m getting sidetracked. > > I look forward to being a part of this forum and sharpening my skills and will love any and all suggestions and help because I know I will need all the help I can get! Thanks for your time! ~-~Paul > > Oh, I was also reading about ODing on the forums, can this be done with nol products like IS and IO ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/5 "2011-06-02T09:26:02Z")
Hi vanhalenAC (hmm, two of the first three bands I ever saw live! 😃 ) - Welcome to pherotalk! 🙂 You don’t have anything like the same OD issues with the socials IS, IO and IH and even a young guy can wear a substantial amount - However you should remember that less is very often more with pheros and you should make the effort to find the most effective dose, if only to save you money in wasted product. The main thing I’ve found with socials is that if you are using a high dose and top-up repeatedly, you can after a while end-up feeling a bit burned-out/tired and get a sore head. Which does your sociability/game no good at all. There are plenty threads here discussing various strategies to offset that. Otherwise, have fun experementing and have a look at Ammo - It is well balanced and good with the likes of IS and IO for social/sexual interactions at your age. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vanhalenAC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/919ad9/32.png) [@vanhalenAC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vanhalenAC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/6 "2011-06-02T16:13:36Z")
Thanks for all the helpfully info! I will have to try that “pack hunting” with the IG and A314. But is there a big difference between the 1.23A and 1.23B versions of A314? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-a-long-way-to-the-top-if-you-want-to-pheromone/50562/7 "2011-06-02T17:33:19Z")
Not a huge difference - one is about the same strength per spray as a drop of standard oil-base A314 whilst the other is a little stronger. Both are good although I stll rate the oil as best of all for a lot of reasons.