# It's hard to tell if it's working, but listen to this. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 4, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969 "2007-06-04T03:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Thorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Thorick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thorick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/1 "2007-06-04T03:56:49Z")
well, I have been using the pheromones for a while now. I’m still trying to workout if the stuff actually makes a difference. But listen to this, something i’ve noticed. It seems that when I wear pheromones, the girl seems to act not much different around me when I wasn’t wearing them before I bought the phero’s. She kinda laughs a little if I make a joke or act funny. She Didn’t really bother to speak with me unless I speak first, and then the conversations don’t last long because really, I don’t have much to say unless I can work it in smoothly. Meaning I just don’t blurt out something, I need a reason to say it and work it all in. Anyways, thats how it was before I had phero’s and thats how it is when I wear them now, though, she might act a little strange, like she is a bit nervous around me. But as soon as the phero’s are off now, now that i’ve been using them, she acts a bit nicer. She actually seems to want to talk to me. We email back and forth, and she just doesn’t pretty much sum up what I said, but adds new things and keeps the conversations going. And from what I see now, it seems our friendship is growing, and hopefully her interest in me. If I am interpritating this properly, it even looks like she is hinting at us hanging out sometime. So what my conclusion is, is that when i wear the phero’s it makes me attractive, and the girl is then shy around me, and acts a little strange. But when they are off, then her nervousness seems to not be so strong and she actually feel comfortable around me. The mixes I have tested vary slightly, but seem to yeild the same results as explained above. I have been testing. This mix 1 spray ammo, 5 sprays instant openness, 2 sprays instant femal magic- which I noticed makes me depressed, I hope that doesn’t throw girls off. Then this mix The same as above, but added a drop or two of A314, Plus 3-4 sprays instant Openness, and Instant Shine maybe 4-7 sprays. I have also used some Instant Gentlemen in my mixes with 2-3 sprays. I have used other mixes which are all different variances of these pheros- though with same spray dosages, and they all seem to yield the same results, the girl acts a little strange, and doesn’t seem to easily socialize with me, then when I am not wearing anything, she seems to open up and have good conversations. From what I have explained does it look like my conclusion is correct. I might try just some [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Instant Openness next time to see if that works and leave out everything out, that way she might feel comfortable around me, and want to talk. Maybe some instant Honesty as well. This is a mix i haven’t tried. Does it seem like a good next step. Thanks for all your replies. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/2 "2007-06-04T04:59:22Z")
It seems like you are heading the right direction with your idea of just using the IFM, Openness, and Honesty on this girl. From the way you are presenting the situation it would seem that strong alpha signals intimidate her a little. If not intimidation they make her more gaurded, and as i’m sure you know from the way you present yourself -none can do that even in very small amounts if your target is sensitive. I recently had an experience with a -none sensitive girl that I am seeing. It was our fifth date and I decided to run some ammo in a very complex social mix. This girl is aware of [pheromones](https://a314.com/) and I told her I was wearing them after a bit. She told me that she was feeling gaurded comparted to normal. After I washed it off the mood changed and she even noticed that the tension lifted. Beside this A314 can be very professional and DHV, so this may make you hard to aproach. Instant Gentlemen is androstaRone based and when i’ve worn it, it seems to make some anxiouse. I would recomend picking only 1 of the three (ammo, a314, IG) to use in your mixes until you know for sure how people are reacting towards your pheromones. You are getting results though. She has responded to the over change in the way she percieves you and the two of you are now increasing you communication so props to your natural game with a little pheromones to help out on the side. P.S. If IFM makes you depressed try to apply it on the back of your neck or the top of your head. You may not want to wear it in moments of key interaction as well. When the pressure is on you want to be clear headed and optomistic. Women like guys who are happy and make them happy. So use the IFM only when necessary. (aka she’s had a bad day, pmsing, or is realy bitchy) This will minimize the negatives on you while still maintining the pivitol moments for positive effects of IFM on your target. Good luck with the target.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Thorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Thorick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thorick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/3 "2007-06-04T23:32:16Z")
Thanks man. This really cleared everything up. I gave you a rep. ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/4 "2007-06-04T23:47:25Z")
> [@Thorick](#): > > 1 spray ammo, 5 sprays instant openness, 2 sprays instant femal magic- which I noticed makes me depressed, I hope that doesn’t throw girls off. IFM throws us off, but doesn’t throw girls off at all. Each sex responds completely differently. Women say it’s like chick crack. The best way the studies were summarized to me was “IFM is bad magic for some men, but good magic on almost all women”. Apparently, the way it affects each sex so differently is part of the reason why academia views androstadienoen as a real pheromone. They figure that any real sex pheromone would affect each sex differently. This one really does. (that said, I care more about my experience than what the ivory tower thinks, and tend to prefer pheromones that affect each sex positively, like p74!) ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/5 "2007-06-04T23:51:41Z")
Reading a little more, I’d try each thing individually. All those products can make you come on too strong. Another thing I learned from this forum is that really simple mixes can be some of the most attractive. Those, and _small_ amounts of a ton of different things, but you don’t have a big enough collection to do that yet. You may want to just keep it simple, and try one product around her at a probably. Probably NOT the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), though, as she seems to be reacting a little strongly to the androstenone content. She’s probably pretty young, huh? ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/6 "2007-06-04T23:52:21Z")
toil is back! ..and he’s right on target with what he posted 😃 I agree, try to use more social, friendly pheromones. I’ve noticed the same exact phenomena, where a girl gets friendlier when I don’t use androstenone around her. Some girls just seem to be bolder when you wear androstenone, and others become much more shy than usual. Then when you don’t wear androstenone one day, they’ll be really friendly to you, and want to get closer. LOL @ your signature though. I mean, I’m not laughing at you, but at the concept of it…come on, you don’t ‘need’ a girlfriend. Besides, when you’ve had a girlfriend sometimes you’ll wish you didn’t have one. Being single and nonexclusive, so rocks. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/7 "2007-06-05T00:16:48Z")
Concur with Toil and Smoothplayer. Go for the friendly vibe. It does seem that a heavy Alpha (ie 'none) signature intimidates her. Some younger women are like that. ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/8 "2007-06-05T00:24:36Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > LOL @ your signature though. I mean, I’m not laughing at you, but at the concept of it…come on, you don’t ‘need’ a girlfriend. Besides, when you’ve had a girlfriend sometimes you’ll wish you didn’t have one. Being single and nonexclusive, so rocks. I was noticing that myself, hahaha. 🙂 I’m glad you called him on it. Yeah, man, that 'tude can kill ya. You may _want_ a girlfriend, but you definitely don’t _need_ one. Big big difference. A needy guy is anything but attractive. With women, you gotta be sorta… I guess you could call it zen. The less you need them, the more you’ll have one (or more). Make yourself busy doing things you enjoy. Women love busy guys who need anything but another woman in their life. And if you ever get a date with a woman and it’s super improtant to you that you succeed with her, then go ahead and make a date with _someone else_ the day before, or even earlier that night. It may seem counterintuitive, but it’s one of the best things you could possibly do. It’ll keep the needy vibe from creeping in and killing it with the girl you really like. ---
**Author:** ![Thorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Thorick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thorick)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/9 "2007-06-05T01:15:05Z")
> [@Flipcat](#): > > Reading a little more, I’d try each thing individually. All those products can make you come on too strong. > > Another thing I learned from this forum is that really simple mixes can be some of the most attractive. Those, and _small_ amounts of a ton of different things, but you don’t have a big enough collection to do that yet. > > You may want to just keep it simple, and try one product around her at a probably. Probably NOT the Ammo, though, as she seems to be reacting a little strongly to the androstenone content. She’s probably pretty young, huh? ya, lol, I read about trying things by themselve, but of course i don’t listen, but now I’m seeing the advantages of it, just like everyone stated. She is younger then me. im 18, and she is 17. So I think maybe even a spray of ammo is to much like you guys said. ---
**Author:** ![Thorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Thorick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thorick)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/10 "2007-06-05T01:16:39Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > toil is back! ..and he’s right on target with what he posted 😃 > > I agree, try to use more social, friendly pheromones. I’ve noticed the same exact phenomena, where a girl gets friendlier when I don’t use androstenone around her. Some girls just seem to be bolder when you wear androstenone, and others become much more shy than usual. Then when you don’t wear androstenone one day, they’ll be really friendly to you, and want to get closer. > > LOL @ your signature though. I mean, I’m not laughing at you, but at the concept of it…come on, you don’t ‘need’ a girlfriend. Besides, when you’ve had a girlfriend sometimes you’ll wish you didn’t have one. Being single and nonexclusive, so rocks. Ya, lol, I don’t need a girlfriend, but I sure want one. I’ve never had one before. So I guess I’ll see what it’s like when I finally do. THanks for the info man. ---
**Author:** ![Thorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Thorick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thorick)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/11 "2007-06-05T01:19:29Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > Concur with Toil and Smoothplayer. Go for the friendly vibe. It does seem that a heavy Alpha (ie 'none) signature intimidates her. Some younger women are like that. Thanks for the info man. Ya, from what I have read they recommend using little amounts of -none on younger women, but it seems maybe they were talking about people in their twenties and not people around 16, 17. I’m beginning to think it’s best not to use any -none at the moment, though I still want to make them become attracted to me somehow. Probably better to make them comfortable around me, and use my game to attract them- though I’m using that anyways even with -none. Thanks man. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/12 "2007-06-05T01:53:39Z")
When we talk about heavy 'none signatures sometimes intimidating younger women we are usually talking about women below the age of 25 and certainly below the age of 21. It is not until women are a little older, know themselves and what they want a little better - that you get very favorable - sometimes aggressive - reactions to 'none. ---
**Author:** ![Thorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Thorick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thorick)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/13 "2007-06-05T02:53:47Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > When we talk about heavy 'none signatures sometimes intimidating younger women we are usually talking about women below the age of 25 and certainly below the age of 21. It is not until women are a little older, know themselves and what they want a little better - that you get very favorable - sometimes aggressive - reactions to 'none. So it is a very reasonable assumption that I should be using no -none until about that age. If that is the case, and cause it’s a while before I am up into my twenties, how long do you think my -none products will last- like ammo and turn up the heat, do you think its a good idea to keep them, or should I try selling them off to somebody. Is there still a use for them among my age group? ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 6:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/14 "2007-06-05T06:02:16Z")
> [@Thorick](#): > > So it is a very reasonable assumption that I should be using no -none until about that age. If that is the case, and cause it’s a while before I am up into my twenties, how long do you think my -none products will last- like ammo and turn up the heat, do you think its a good idea to keep them, or should I try selling them off to somebody. Is there still a use for them among my age group? Yeah, you can still use them on younger girls, but on certain ones or at special times. Androstenone works well on any woman when she’s ovulating. I’d never give up androstenone completely, because it works great when women really want sex. It’s also reported to work well on aggressive girls. The safest thing you can do is use androstenone clubbin’ and with “bad” girls/punk girls. Maybe combo the two, and use them at a punk rock show. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/its-hard-to-tell-if-its-working-but-listen-to-this/3969/15 "2007-06-06T01:36:57Z")
Thorick - sorry if my comments mislead you - Flipcat is right - you can still use it - just very judiciously. Hitting the clubs is good where you can use it and overcome the usual club “smells”. Also like Flipcat says, it seems it appeals to women around ovulation time but repels them at the back end of their cycle. Go for the [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) then. High doses. Trust me. You probably have a pretty good 'none signature given your young age so start low and go up.