# I've been holding my words back till now.. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 25, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058 "2010-09-25T19:22:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/1 "2010-09-25T19:22:11Z")
This doesn’t hold true to the community as a whole, but I think that there needs to be something addressed when it comes down to the trend I’ve noticed new users go into. First. A lot of older more experienced members here, for whom I’ve learned much of my knowledge from get ignored with their helpful advice. I just don’t get how time and time again, they put forth an effort to answer questions, just to be blatantly ignored. Why ask for advice when you’re not going to listen anyway. Second. There’s been a lack of maturity and cohesive structure when it comes to how posts are made or advice is given. There are over 22k users here, Steve can’t do everything, and it’s up to us to really self monitor how things are going on and the advice being given. I’m guilty of this when I first started that I’ve given terrible, and blatantly wrong advice before, but I quickly realized that it wasn’t the way to go and it wasn’t the right thing to do. **Remember that when you articulate something here on the forums, people who are new will view you as an authority on the figure, regardless of how much you actually know. I’ve gotten asked questions I did not know about and I simply referred them over to a post/link/member to get it answered. The bickering, inaccurate posts, and blatant lies that I’ve seen here really turned me off to the main forum. It’s one of the reasons I just journal everything now, and I only help out members I know I can help out due to my own experiences, and don’t pretend that I’m an expert at these things, because I’m seriously not. I see people here giving such advice that I can’t imagine how safe and effective they can be. These molecules are chemicals gentlemen, less is more. You don’t need to throw in a kitchen sink mix to get great results. Do you remember how excited you were about how AMMO worked? At two sprays that was just 15mcgs of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) total!** Three. Time and time again we see new friends and members that are younger and are going through hormonal changes in their bodies. It’s fine to have curiosity but the adverse effects that these might have on your development FOR YOUR LIFE may or may not have adverse effects. Do you really want to risk it? I’m not saying that Androtics are selling us dangerous chemicals, but anything in excess, will be bad for you. Even water, which 90% of our bodies are composed of, can be lethal to you if you drink too much, you’ll essentially improperly balance your body’s homeostasis and die. It’s the same concept here guys, **PLEASE for your safety and the safety of others, USE PHEROMONES RESPONSIBLY!** In closing, We all have fun here, and I’ve made some friends along the way. I just think that Androtics’ whole mission is to make the world a better and happier place and they have great products that offer that. If you don’t know the answer to something, then don’t say anything. Please, over and over I cringe when I read some of the advice that people are giving out. And you have to tactfully correct them so that the intended recipient of that advice doesn’t get the wrong information and have a bad experience with pheromones. Do your research, use your common sense, and listen to those who have been here for years. It seriously upsets me when I see the likes of Steve and Tisha spend time to give useful advice and feedback, and someone turn around and do the opposite. Have fun, enjoy these products and I’m hoping we can all be responsible together. Regards, P51 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/2 "2010-09-25T19:47:57Z")
Excellent post P51 - A lot of good sense there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/3 "2010-09-25T20:13:24Z")
Nice post P51 To be completely honest, i was one of the users to actually ignore advices from long time members. I thought they worked for AD but pretending not to and trying to sugar coat their products. I mostly looked for new members who experianced the results that the products claimed. I was totally wrong I have spent more then 10+ hours a day just reading anything and everything about mones, in pherotalk, for a whole week, and the more i read, the more I realized that long time members seemed to give out the best advice. I never really posted anything about asking advice before(except on my last thread), but I can understand why the new users disregard steve and tisha’s golden advice (+ many others). It is hard finding people who want to help you without seeking anything in return, but i found out that it is not so rare anymore after discovering this community. Thanks alot ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/4 "2010-09-25T21:04:50Z")
Less is more is something that everyone has to remember, we all get carried away sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/5 "2010-09-25T21:49:18Z")
I agree…but want to add something. I’m certainly not the moral police, but I have noticed a trend with users focusing on the sexual benefits of pheromones. Personally, this disturbs me a little. I wish there were more posts pertaining to the benefits of AD products as they relate to business situations and maybe…helping people to break out of there comfort zones and gaining more out of life and generally bettering themselves. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/6 "2010-09-25T21:56:26Z")
There this confusion lurking about: pheromones are confused with life experience. Pheromones, over years of use, have given me life experiences that are probably not that widely shared. Those life experiences have taught me things. In some cases, the things that I now now about human nature have set me at odds with certain people and communities that formerly welcomed me as “one of them”… the truth is that there are truths that some people cannot easily digest… especially when a person has organized his or her life around fictions or fantasies that a wide circle of acquaintances have bought into as the price of admission… they have to face the fact that the psychic costs of their successes might have been considerably higher than they have been willing to consciously estimate. In plain English, they’d rather not hear about it. Marriages that are utter shit, held together by egos and portfolios and country club memberships will be held up as admirable examples of being well adjusted, even if the net result is heart disease, ulcers, constipation, and alcoholism, not to mention frequent bouts of mental disturbance. I’ve been straight with some of these people, told them, look it in the face, its’ all about money and image and having a few pathetic confused flings with women you barely know… what’s the point ? You’re not going to be young forever, your body will age and wear out, and nobody will miss you when your gone. They’ll be too distracted fiddling around with their communication toys. You’re five tweets from total oblivion and you don’t know it. Ever read Marcus Aurelius ? The response ? We have to drop him, he’s not our type, he’s not one of us any more, he makes us uncomfortable. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/7 "2010-09-25T22:17:31Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > I agree…but want to add something. I’m certainly not the moral police, but I have noticed a trend with users focusing on the sexual benefits of pheromones. Personally, this disturbs me a little. I wish there were more posts pertaining to the benefits of AD products as they relate to business situations and maybe…helping people to break out of there comfort zones and gaining more out of life and generally bettering themselves. The above two posts I can’t agree more with, even if I don’t completely understand tacitus lol. Those of you who are looking for just sex (ONS), or the material and physical I don’t think you will ever be satisfied. I don’t believe thats even what most people want, I think they are just confused. Pheromones can be used to for some awesome self-development, once you become a better person you can really get what you want out of life, and I bet you find that there are much better things out there then getting with a bunch of women that you don’t really care about. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/8 "2010-09-25T22:19:36Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > The above two posts I can’t agree more with, even if I don’t completely understand tacitus lol. Those of you who are looking for just sex (ONS), or the material and physical I don’t think you will ever be satisfied. I don’t believe thats even what most people want, I think they are just confused. Pheromones can be used to for some awesome self-development, once you become a better person you can really get what you want out of life, and **I bet you find that there are much better things out there then getting with a bunch of women that you don’t really care about.** …or women that don’t really care about you. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/9 "2010-09-25T22:39:23Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > The above two posts I can’t agree more with, even if I don’t completely understand tacitus lol. Those of you who are looking for just sex (ONS), or the material and physical I don’t think you will ever be satisfied. I don’t believe thats even what most people want, I think they are just confused. Pheromones can be used to for some awesome self-development, once you become a better person you can really get what you want out of life, and I bet you find that there are much better things out there then getting with a bunch of women that you don’t really care about. I’m reading The Mastery of Love by Don Miguel Ruiz and in it he talks about the brain and it’s constant wanting that you have to come to terms with and finally understand that it is exactly that, wants and not needs. Because in the end, when you are wanting something you’re never completely satisfied, you’ll always chase something else expecting that to be what fills your need when it is a want you’re actually trying to fill. This is why we have overeating, and indulgences of other kinds from sex, to drugs and even just zoning out and watching hours of t.v. I am trying to become satisfied with being ME and having MY LOVE…because no one elses love or stuff can truly meet those needs. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/10 "2010-09-25T23:56:27Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > I agree…but want to add something. I’m certainly not the moral police, but I have noticed a trend with users focusing on the sexual benefits of pheromones. Personally, this disturbs me a little. I wish there were more posts pertaining to the benefits of AD products as they relate to business situations and maybe…helping people to break out of there comfort zones and gaining more out of life and generally bettering themselves. That’s why there’s always a post about mones not working. Some guys just want something akin to an axe commercial. The more expreienced users know that is not the case. I also wonder about some of the pherobombs guys are using. 2x 301, 2x297, 3dr a314 ,4 [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), 2x tuth, 60 mcg of P-wtf and 50 mcg of P-omg, ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/11 "2010-09-26T00:12:41Z")
Let’s hope it wakes up the community as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/12 "2010-09-26T00:13:03Z")
Hate to break it to you guys, but even AD is promoting their products based on Sex. There’s a chick on the front page and it says, “reduce rejection and improve your life.” Sex sells…no its not about being the moral police, but I would have to believe that a huge majority…and I mean a HUGE majority, like 98-99% of users came her with the hopes of finding something to make them more attractive to the opposite effect. I find it hard to believe someone decided one day to do a search on google to see if they could find a [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) that would improve their focus and decrease self-talk. Someone who wasn’t already involved in the community to some degree that is. Sex is why I’m here, it’s why you all came here…let’s call a spade a spade. There are some added benefits to these products and for that I am grateful…and dealing with the kids that show up here. They’re gonna be like all other kids. Offer up your advice then let it go, you are not morally or legally responsible for their choices. Can’t say the same for AD, I don’t know where this leaves them legally. Anyway…I understand what you guys are saying and I do agree. But in the end I’ve got my own life to live and my own problems to sort out. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/13 "2010-09-26T00:20:46Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Hate to break it to you guys, but even AD is promoting their products based on Sex. There’s a chick on the front page and it says, “reduce rejection and improve your life.” > > Sex sells…no its not about being the moral police, but I would have to believe that a huge majority…and I mean a HUGE majority, like 98-99% of users came her with the hopes of finding something to make them more attractive to the opposite effect. > > I find it hard to believe someone decided one day to do a search on google to see if they could find a pheromone that would improve their focus and decrease self-talk. Someone who wasn’t already involved in the community to some degree that is. > > Sex is why I’m here, it’s why you all came here…let’s call a spade a spade. There are some added benefits to these products and for that I am grateful…and dealing with the kids that show up here. They’re gonna be like all other kids. Offer up your advice then let it go, you are not morally or legally responsible for their choices. Can’t say the same for AD, I don’t know where this leaves them legally. > > Anyway…I understand what you guys are saying and I do agree. But in the end I’ve got my own life to live and my own problems to sort out. You’ve done your research. You know that the forum being flooded with useless and sometimes outrageously irrelevant posts turns a lot of people off. And this isn’t directly to you, but I’ve read some great reports from new users that get buried under garbage because some of these kids don’t know any better, or because some newbie is too lazy to go and actually try and find the information and don’t go bother reading. My whole point is, I’ve learned so much from here, but it’s getting harder and harder now with all the static that’s coming out. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/14 "2010-09-26T00:27:07Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > You’ve done your research. > > You know that the forum being flooded with useless and sometimes outrageously irrelevant posts turns a lot of people off. > > And this isn’t directly to you, but I’ve read some great reports from new users that get buried under garbage because some of these kids don’t know any better, or because some newbie is too lazy to go and actually try and find the information and don’t go bother reading. > > My whole point is, I’ve learned so much from here, but it’s getting harder and harder now with all the static that’s coming out. I wholeheartedly agree with you… and you are right. The what’s the difference between IO and IH threads or, what should be my first purchase? etc yeah they do get old. And yeah, I try to do my research. I hit up LS (but their forums suck and no much activity) the archives here, and anything else I can find on the net to see what I can learn. I really didn’t wanna ask those questions that could easily be answered by reading a product description on the main site…LOL. And bcuz of guys like you, Radman, reclipse, olfactory, wolfishgrin, Steve, Tisha, K-Train and so on and so on (sorry if I left anyone out) I have learned a ton. I can’t believe I only started a bit over a month and a half ago. I feel like I’ve been doing this for months but my newbness still rears its head every day when I read the answers to questions here as so often I read an answer to a question I didn’t even think of asking. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/15 "2010-09-26T00:28:50Z")
There are a lot of long time members on this board that unless AD thinks its a conflict of interest, would probably volunteer their time to moderate it. They just point out the most obvious stuff, and clear out the noise so to speak, and leave the PR and company questions to those that do it now. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/16 "2010-09-26T00:29:41Z")
Welcome to life, dude. Dealing with static is part of the job description. Technology is on a flaming tear… total democracy of access… you see the d-bags that take over every technology, the amount of hopelessly pointless bs on youtube, the political commentariat jerkoffs that waste the public’s time on tv ??? That’s the new social equation. Complete leveling of informational standards. I threw out my tv. I don’t watch it, at all, ever. Don’t waste my time “interacting” with most bozos. Its’ time I’ll never get back… ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/17 "2010-09-26T00:39:09Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Welcome to life, dude. Dealing with static is part of the job description. Technology is on a flaming tear… total democracy of access… you see the d-bags that take over every technology, the amount of hopelessly pointless bs on youtube, the political commentariat jerkoffs that waste the public’s time on tv ??? That’s the new social equation. Complete leveling of informational standards. I threw out my tv. I don’t watch it, at all, ever. Don’t waste my time “interacting” with most bozos. Its’ time I’ll never get back… I understand that. I believe that you let things fester, and things get rotten. I benefited from some great reporting and quality posts when I first started here. I just want to see it get back to that and nip it in the bud. It may seem futile or a waste of time, but if no one says anything, then I’m as much at fault as the ones that do it. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/18 "2010-09-26T00:40:26Z")
Things may not change but speaking for ideas and idealists I think we always will need them. We may never get to utopia or world peace but we can at least strive for a fractured, incomplete version of these goals. We have to build our provisions and foundations from hopes and dreams. The day our voices become absolutely static about improvement and better efficiency is the day we give up on ourselves as a community within the world we live in. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/19 "2010-09-26T01:42:33Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > You’ve done your research. > > You know that the forum being flooded with useless and sometimes outrageously irrelevant posts turns a lot of people off. > > And this isn’t directly to you, but I’ve read some great reports from new users that get buried under garbage because some of these kids don’t know any better, or because some newbie is too lazy to go and actually try and find the information and don’t go bother reading. > > My whole point is, I’ve learned so much from here, but it’s getting harder and harder now with all the static that’s coming out. A. I moderate on another forum that’s primary demographic is the 13-17 age range and we had taken a more laxed attitude on moderation. The end result was more spamming and fighting and I gotta tell ya, it really soured the overall mood. I’m not suggesting more moderation as I do like how the generally relaxed vibe here works but _shrugs_ B. Same thing with the posts being buried. We actually had to create a sub forum for the 18+ crowd so they could discuss topics without them being buried. Perhaps that’s what is needed. A section for the teenage crowd, this way we can keep this subsection more cleaned up. As for myself, I tend not to post my view on mones since I’m still very new and I would not want to recommend anything without knowing the products. Life experience I can help with, not mones. Not yet at any rate. There are plenty of folks here that are very experienced, so let them voice their thoughts, that’s my view. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058/20 "2010-09-26T03:48:26Z")
Sitting in the corner wondering if I have ever done any of the things P51 says. I’m sure I have. For some reason I feel like I just got AMOG’ed. I agree. I’ve only been a member for a few months, but it does appear that the forum is changing rapidly. Gentleman, I actually did find the forum because I was looking up ways to improve sales and was researching perfumes. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ive-been-holding-my-words-back-till-now/42058.md?page=2)