# JDubs phero evaluations **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 20, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922 "2014-01-20T22:00:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/564 "2016-06-18T15:24:14Z")
I wonder why now the results are in consistent with your mix 1. I get very consistent results with your mix 1. I find the most consistent results are using TUTH 1X right from AD and 10MCG a spray TAC. With TAC I find the FF21 scent hits harder and is more consistent over the [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/). At 6% FF21/Ammo it is not to bad with the power of the scent. I might ask if I can order the scent in a custom % of strength because I am thinking TUTH an TAC might work really well together at like 3-4% FF21 scent. The Hedione I use the Dab method when I am not trying something new as there is nothing to mix and very consistent to. You use to get very good hits with this mix. Have you changed anything lately? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/565 "2016-07-21T22:05:06Z")
It’s because I started using cannabis. It totally changed my hormone levels (and subsequently my pheromone signature). Since cannabis wasn’t a part of my ‘base signature’ to begin with, the results will be skewed with it. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/566 "2016-08-24T03:52:36Z")
Hey justintime, I’ve been out of the scene for a while but I’m back with a question. So I bought some jasmine essential oil and plan to use it instead of hedione. Did you find it to be more effective? Also, is it good to just do like a drop on my application point? ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/567 "2016-08-25T00:35:00Z")
I have a blended jasmine and have found it to be close to Hedione. I use the blended version I have straight from the bottle kind of like A314. I normally use it on my wrists to keep away from my pheromones. I have found they both work great and the only down side is some women I have found including my wife to not like so much strong floral scent like jasmine. With Hedione there is no scent or very little to it and have not found anyone to ever say anything on it. Now the most effective E.O. I have found is Ylang Ylang. Women just love this thing even more than Hedione. It is very powerful scent wise, but more like the scent men and women and I have not found any down sides yet to it. I have been working on and off to get a good ratio of Ylang/Hedione in the same bottle. I really don’t want to dilute the Hedione. I have tested together and all by themselves Rose, Neroli, Jasimine, Patchouli, Ylang Ylang, Orange, and Lavender. I might have tested some more I would have to look through my paper journal. But out of about 10 of them Ylang Ylang got me clear signs of women being interested and is not floral at all to most. The Hedione/Ylang works best and I use a 10ML bottle and I use 8.5ML of Hedione to 1.5ML of Ylang oil. The Ylang oil is pure not blended. The Ylang also is not anti bacterial like some others. The Jasmine is not either so you should be able to use there close to your pheromones with no worries. The ratio can be dialed in a little better but I have not tried it much lately. I have tried everything I can think of as far as your mix 1 to make it even better and the Ylang/Hedione for me seems to work good with your mix. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/568 "2016-08-26T00:01:27Z")
I keep finding conflicting info on some E.O. weather or not some are anti-bacterial or not. I would play it safe and keep a little bit away from the mones. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/569 "2016-08-31T22:38:54Z")
Thanks man. Good info. You definitely sparked my interest in this Ylang thing. I’ve been inspired lately (by you and other factors) to play around with natural means of neuroinfluence. I tried playing with jasmine as I would hedione, definitely is a much stronger (and floral) scent, not exactly what a man might want to smell like. Eating celery is definitely a gold mind in my opinion, except it takes a few hours to digest and release the mones through the pores. I actually got some jasmine tea and was thinking about maybe trying to alter my natural sig from the inside rather than applying on the out… i.e. Sweating out the jasmine oils… But I think I need to get more familiar with jasmine oil first. P.S. I like the idea for the journal guide in your sig! So helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/570 "2016-09-01T01:45:09Z")
Just for the record Jdub, what kind of Jaz did you get? Is it Swiss Arabian? ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/571 "2016-09-02T12:50:01Z")
I don’t know anything about the Swiss one Conjurator talks about, but he has a lot of experience with it and so does Mobocaster and maybe some others I don’t know. Because of this post it sparked my interest also. What I do with my mixes I don’t like so much is throw them in my oil diffuser and use them with the wife as she enjoys them and it usually sets the mood for an awesome night with her. So my local health food store started carrying 5ML roll on type bottles and they are $1.50 each so I bought a bunch to try. My new mix( I have not even posted in my journal) is 4.5ML Hedione to 10 drops Ylang(which equals 1/2 ML). Now this is a very good balance and can over power the Floral a little with either Ammo scent or a nice strong cologne as the Ylang is really strong(the Floral note of it). The Ylang is more of a thin liquid with the same constancy as Hedione which is a perfect match where some oils are very thick and paste like and just don’t blend at all with it. I let setup only 2 days and my bottle is clear and after the 2 days it looks just like water with no oil settling at the bottom and no weird color changes and I took a wiff and it smells great so I try it out. I like the roll on bottle as it is small and very little comes out and I find it easy to adjust how much more to put on. I think you should check it out for the $8 I spent on the Ylang it was totally worth it. I don’t know about others, but I think a good starting point is right at 10% or less if mixing with Hedione. I have found not many mix well with Hedione because the oils are just to heavy to mix right, but this one does and is worth trying. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/572 "2016-09-08T21:04:35Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > Just for the record Jdub, what kind of Jaz did you get? Is it Swiss Arabian? The essential oil? Or the tea? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/573 "2016-09-08T21:06:09Z")
Thanks justintime. Do you know of any good reputable sources for the Ylang? ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/574 "2016-09-08T22:35:39Z")
Tea? No, I was wondering about the jasmine oil you said you got. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/575 "2016-09-23T17:48:04Z")
Oh I see. Well I’m not sure I’ll have to do some research. I got it fromWalmart. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/576 "2016-09-25T23:29:02Z")
Please do tell us and if it is a blended oil or 100% pure oil. I would love to hear all about your results man. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/577 "2016-09-28T15:25:14Z")
“Ingredients: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Jasminum Officinale (Jasmine) Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E).” Here’s a quote from the product on walmart’s website. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/579 "2016-09-29T01:06:32Z")
I think I have the same one and it is a blended version and have found with blended jasmine I can use directly on my skin with no issue especially if it is blended with almond oil as this is a common carrier oil and is a good massage oil to. Thank you for letting me know. So all this talk lately about E.O. has got me wondering about throwing my pheromones in the diffuser for the hell of it. I bought a new $20 diffuser at wal mart and starting testing this and will report on it soon. I even tried REV32 oil in it and was quite shocked on my results. I should post soon hopefully by Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/580 "2016-10-02T20:24:35Z")
Sounds interesting, a diffuser. Interested to hear the results. Yeah looks like you have the same one, by the way, using just this jasmine oil has gotten me great results, even with my young children. I’ve found with my experience that E.O.s are great for attraction, bonding, closeness, and the like, but lacks in the raw sexuality you can get with synthetics. I’ve been playing with EOs by themselves. I think it’s time to test with -mones. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/581 "2016-10-02T20:28:49Z")
I will mention, however that EOs seem to give me headaches quite easily. If I smell them directly, I’ll likely have a headache shortly thereafter. Never had this effect with synthetics though.. Makes me wonder which one is more potent.. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/582 "2016-10-13T16:14:28Z")
_ **See tl;dr at the end for summary** _ _Mix 1 testing w/ cannabis:_ - since introducing cannabis into my lifestyle regimen my mix 1 has failed to produce results. I am testing to see what I can do to make it work and to also zero down in on just what types of pheromones it has an effect on. To me it stands to reason that cannabis has a drastic effect on male hormones, lowering them, namely testosterone which should negatively effect -none.. 10-7 Woke up after about 4 hours sleep and went to work. No shower in over 24 hours. Been eating a mostly vegan diet but rich in vitamins especially zinc and E and jioagulan, bee pollen, multivitamins, ginsengs. Been medicating with cannabis everyday also. Also been drinking celery juice. Before heading to work I spray on mix 1 and rub about 4 drops of EO on my wrists neck and face. At work nothing seemed out of the ordinary. I don’t think I was ghosting because people were still friendly with me and talking with eye contact, but no Dihl pull. The self effects were great. Feeling bold and energized. The smell is great. I don’t have ADG or the beat so that might be a factor. Somewhat hits happened though. My sup, 40s white female with another worker 40s white male were super slow and relaxed when unloading boxes - I suspect from the TAC.. (Which in my mind might stand to reason that the TAC is hitting harder because instead of easing into the TUTH, it is relaxing, which I feel means a lack of sexual) Also, about 2 hours after application, a blonde late teens early twenties gal caught my eye from about 20 ft away and have a nice look to which I looked away quite quickly. Seems to me it still has pull on the paler blonder women, as I would expect. Later my coworker young Hispanic cutie didn’t seem to budge much when I came near her to do something. This mix seems to hit quite well when close but nothing Dihl or attractive from far away except for the bleach blondes it seems. Since I’m not seeing any ghosting or negative effects I think it’s safe to assume that it isn’t overly sexual. My gut tells me I need more sexual to counteract the cannabis effects of anaphrodisiac. I’m thinking 3 sprays TUTH should be in order, with the 2 sprays TAC. Side note: I’m not sure if the excessive amount of orange oil and hedione overtakes the rest of the EOs. (((Also forgot to mention the Hispanic girl and I made a lot of eye contact today.))) Also noteworthy, a gal I was helping out stood awfully close to me as I bent down to grab things. 10-10 Woke up after about 6 or so hours sleep. Been having cannabis, supplements, bee pollens, multivitamin, jioagulan, etc. lately. Showered yesterday morning. Drank a small amount of celery juice yesterday afternoon. Put on 5+ EO drops on wrists to spread around neck and arms. Sprayed a small spritz of cheap cologne and applied deodorant. Sprayed mix 1 in usual spots etc. but added 1 extra spray TUTH. Went to work. At work immediately my coworker (teens Hispanic cutie) turned to look at me intently. She usually notices me in her peripherals and refrains from looking at me. This time I refrained and she caught a good Dihl look with me. Later as I’m working an Asian gal comes by me and is super friendly and considerate, she smiles and makes eye contact. As I’m squatting doing my work I turn to notices a bleach blonde 20s cutie and at that very moment she looks down at me like a strong Dihl. This is the first Dihl I’ve seen like that in a long time. Men are super reverent kind and considerate. Women if not Dihl seem to at least look at me and make eye contact. Results seem about 80% of what I’m used to with no cannabis and just mix 1… Still promising results though. The whole time people were super friendly and happy. No ghosting. People were constantly coming up to me and asking me questions. Also, interestingly a few people stood and vented to me for a good while. One of them kept telling me their life story, I had to redirect in order to get back to work. She was a pacific island 40-50s female, who afterwards told a supervisor of mine the praises she felt for me, i.e. What a sweet person and good helper I am. The gentleman who also felt it necessary to tell me a long story was a black man in a wheel chair about late 50s early 60s. Again I sort of had to redirect. As the day pressed on not much Dihl. Many eye contacts though. I can see the invasion of space certainly hasn’t changed, which I attribute solely to the EO. The effects were overall great. Much respect, kindness. But lacked raw sexuality. This makes me want to try another extra spray of TUTH. I can see cannabis plays a big role I pheromones and/or hormones. The self effects were great. Assertive, focused, relaxed, nonchalant, kind, determined, happy. (((((( same day ))))))) After a few hours I take a shower and then another few hours I reapply. Had my usual diet stuff as well as cannabis. Sprayed mix 1 with 2 extra sprays TUTH 2.5mcg.. So.. 4 sprays TUTH 2.5mcg each 10mcg total. 2 sprays TAC 10mcg each 20mcg total. And EO. Which is about 5-15% hedione 60% oil, 10-15% sweet orange EO and a mix of jasmine, vetiver, orange, Ylang, black pepper, About 8 drops total, 4 spread on wrists and into neck and 4 on arms spread. Around 5pm.. 6pm meet with 20s blonde female for some medicating. We’ve been hanging out a while, even got kinky without mones on, but EOs. She is a sort of weird one in the sense she is hard to understand. Well everything went seemingly normal but then.. She starts rubbing circles around her nipples and plays with her hair. Shortly after that she looks like she is playing with her self with a lighter she has in her hand. This is all behavior she’s never displayed. About an hour later I go to a burger joint and a mid twenties blonde cutie is working the register and asks if I need help, to which I replied I was still looking at the menu. I was kind of focused on my phone so I didn’t give her much eye contact but I could sort of tell she wasn’t reacting too strongly to the mones. I think this wasn’t sufficient testing and will have to test further for longer with bigger crowds. But I certainly thought it was interesting watching her play with herself. 10/11 Slept a normal’s nights sleep woke up and ate usual stuff, had cannabis plenty. Pretty much same as yesterday. Showered before bed yesterday. Today I applied the same mix as yesterday, everything the same. Went to get massage and Asian gal was super friendly and talkative but anything other than friendly made her recoil. Gave a sub par massage. And cut me off a bit early. Next place I go to a middle aged Hispanic woman working the Mexican food drive thru was also seemingly friendly but somehow rude and not making eye contact all at the same time. I head to another store to which young, 18-20s Hispanic women were making constant Dihl with me but as soon as my presence was close they withdrew within themselves. This mix seems confusing. It is making me feel it produces a good aura but once close enough it’s too much. After a few hours I shower and apply the same stuff except only 3 sprays TUTH and 2 sprays TAC. I go to meet up with little 20s brunette for some fun, I cannot tell if the mix affected her orgasms but she seemed to enjoy herself. She also was very friendly and nice and submissive, made a lot of screams and mones. Interestingly she didn’t lean in to taste the -mones on my neck. This was, however our first time having sex. The mix seemed to produce a good amount of happiness and friendliness, and was ok sexually. I go to sleep with no shower.. 10/12 I wake up with no shower and head to work. Last few days have been same diet and everything, cannabis, etc. At work my sup 40s white female didn’t seem to be noticeably affected in a good or bad way. She did seem calm. Hispanic cutie seemed to be her normal self until I got close to her then she froze up. To be fair I was very standoffish. However.. There is a early thirties brunette cutie who brings her daughter in nearly every time I’m there. Her daughter is sweet, maybe 2 years old, and she made my day when I saw her peeking at me while I was working. I smiled and made a funny face at her and the way she smiled back was sweet. Anyways, her mom seems to gravitate near me when they are there and even had times where she stood really close and didn’t budge much. Today she seemed her normal self except she made a lot of eye contact. She was really looking at me when she got the chance. And these looks were happy delightful smiles. I reciprocated. I felt as though she is interested in me somehow. I leave work and go home and shower and re apply. 3 sprays TUTH 2 sprays TAC EO oil rubbed in. I head out and at the stores women were really checking me out especially older women. Interestingly though a cute blonde 20s gal didn’t seem to notice me while facing my direction and a brunette (20s) while passing me also seemed unaffected. I head to another store and people seem friendly. **tl;dr** Since I’ve been using cannabis lately my mix 1 has began to lack in its ability to pull and get Dihl. I sought to cure this issue with testing based on the premise that cannabis negatively affects male hormones, namely testosterone further affecting -none output. Field testing showed that this was indeed the issue. An additional spray of regular strength TUTH brought the mix about 80% of what it used to be. But one more spray after that was too much, perhaps geared to much older women. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/583 "2016-10-13T16:33:26Z")
Dead post… Index was here before.. ---
**Author:** ![brasileira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@brasileira](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brasileira)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922/584 "2016-10-13T16:59:44Z")
Interesting! Do you layer the pheros or do you take diferent app points? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922.md?page=28) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/jdubs-phero-evaluations/60922.md?page=30)