# Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [September 24, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016 "2010-09-24T05:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/1 "2010-09-24T05:03:15Z")
**Background** Hey, I am AplAy, anonymously speaking and I am an averege-looking guy who is around 21 years old and I live in Sweden and I am scientist-nerd and I love to make things as scientific as possible. I have also always been interested in girls and how you can “get girl”, chicks, women or whatever you choose to name 'em. This Journal of [Experimental Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/experimental-pheromones/) Usage When Meeting Women will be about only the observed effects, progress and concrete results when I meet women in my college, public places, at parties and/or clubs. I have as I am writing this, ordered 0.16 lbs ‘“AMMUNITION” (In the Battle of the Sexes!) Pheromone Cologne for Men’ (1x in strength). I was thinking to order “TUTH” but I have been reading in many threads about it (did a thread search on the term “TUTH”) and people say it can be used wrongly and they suggest AMMO. So, I will start off with this AMMO first and notice how many and how intense different effects and results are on me (self effects) and others (effects and/or results). I want to mention that I make a difference between effects and results. Effects for me are things such as “IOIs”, looks, head-turns and so on, while results for me are numbers, kisses, makeouts, handjobs, blowjobs, sex, relationships, women approaching/initiating conversation with me. These are just my definitions of effects and results and I just wanted people who wants to read this Journal from my point of view. I will also in the next posts be very objective as humanly possible and I will save subjective views after I have described and explained certain effects. I want to avoid acting like I found the holy grail (until I surely know I have or just something really good to use) and thus talking in more dry text but widely described though. **Ethical Concerns** I will not be telling people that I am wearing pheromones that are supposed to have certain impacts on them. I do not intend to harm, hurt or damage any person in my upcoming experiments. Since I will not be telling people what I am actually doing, this would be almost like natural observation, but in this case I will be an active observer, a participator in the beauty of nature itself. I will do in my best power to make other people in my environment to feel that their lives are enriched by my experiments but since I will never tell them why or what I was doing certain things my experiments do not reach the criteria for being called “scientific” my measure methods are also highly limited as well. **Theoretical Frameworks** There are a few theoretical frameworks that I will try to orient myself in and between when I will be interpreting the observed effects and results in all my upcoming experiments. Since I will be the only “self-claimed scientist” in all the experiments there will probably always be a lack of objectivity when I do interpret my experiments afterwards and write a report on them here. Just keep that in my as you read the upcoming reports of my phero-experiments. Misattribution Arousal Theory first. This is a theory of arousal that states that sometimes people misinterpret what really caused them to feel arousal. This has been shown in experiments (1) where men find a woman more attractive because they attributed her looks to the arousal they felt when they were standing on a high bridge where the female approached them. Also, research shows this to be true in women as well and that there are many different ways to induce arousal such as exercise as well as fear (2). Another interesting framework is something known as _commitment and consistency_ (3). This states that people are more committed to continue doing something if they feel it was their own choice to begin with it in the first place and also that it seems consistent with what they previously did. These are some frameworks that I will be trying to interpret from and understand my effects and results from when interacting with women. **Experimental Challenges** Finally, since I will be doing these experiments on my own without any “outsiders” observering me as I am trying to observe what happens, I will probably run into some cognitive biases that may confound my interpretations. For example, since I have been reading what AMMO is supposed to do, I might be intentionally looking for it and not being able to observe when my hypotheses are false. This is the confirmation bias (4). Another possible challenge is that I might feel I do not want to report here when I find that the effects and/or results are none. This is the well-known publication bias (5) which must be taken into account when reporting here. A third challenge is the placebo effect (6) where I might experience that I suddenly notice more “IOIs” (effects) just because I am now observing since I have now put on cologne and are looking how people are responding to me. A fourth challenge and the last one is the post-purchase bias (7) or choice- supportive bias (8). Both these biases have to do with the fact that I might rationalize that I actually saw more effects and/or results with the bought product because otherwise I would have to tell myself that I was stupid. All these biases need to be taken into consideration when experimenting, observing and interpreting the effects and/or results of the experiments. **Conclusions and Beyond** I am really looking forward for the product to come. I do not know what to expect since I haven’t seen anyone using any of the products from the site here in Sweden so it will be really interesting to see how the Swedes will be reacting towards my AMMO-cologne and hopefully it will be all just positive! With all this said I will be reporting back as soon as I have gotten AMMO and started going out with it in different areas where you can find girls & women. \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. Dutton, D., G. & Aron, A., P. (1974). Some evidence for heightened sexual attraction under conditions of high anxiety. _Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 30_, 510-517. 2. Vosgerau, J. (2010). How Prevalent Is Wishful Thinking? Misattribution of Arousal Causes Optimism and Pessimism in Subjective Probabilities. _Journal of Experimental Psychology: General, 139_, 1, 32–48. 3. Cialdini, R., B. (2007). _Influence: The Science of Persuasion_. New York: HarperCollins Publishers Inc. 4. S. Nickerson, R., S. (1998). Confirmation Bias: A Ubiquitous Phenomenon in Many Guises. _Review of General Psychology, 2_, 2, 175-220. 5. Easterbrook, P., J. & Berlin, J., A. (1991). Publication bias in clinical research. _The Lancet, 337_, 8746, 867-872. 6. Hróbjartsson, A. (1996). The uncontrollable placebo effect. _European journal of clinical pharmacology, 50_, 5, 345–348. 7. Cohen, J., B. & Goldberg, M., E. (1970). The Dissonance Model in Post-Decision Product Evaluation. _Journal of Marketing Research, 7_, 3, 315-321. 8. Mather, M. & Johnson, M., K. (2000). Choice-supportive source monitoring: Do our decisions seem better to us as we age? _Psychology and Aging, 15_, 596-606. ---
**Author:** ![MVKBUGATTI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MVKBUGATTI](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MVKBUGATTI)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/2 "2010-09-24T17:46:47Z")
> [@AplAy](#): > > **Background** > Hey, I am AplAy, anonymously speaking and I am an averege-looking guy who is > around 21 years old and I live in Sweden and I am scientist-nerd and I love to > make things as scientific as possible. I have also always been interested in girls > and how you can “get girl”, chicks, women or whatever you choose to name 'em. > > This Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women will be > about only the observed effects, progress and concrete results when I meet > women in my college, public places, at parties and/or clubs. I have as I am > writing this, ordered 0.16 lbs ‘“AMMUNITION” (In the Battle of the Sexes!) > Pheromone Cologne for Men’ (1x in strength). I was thinking to order “TUTH” > but I have been reading in many threads about it (did a thread search on the > term “TUTH”) and people say it can be used wrongly and they suggest AMMO. > > So, I will start off with this AMMO first and notice how many and how intense > different effects and results are on me (self effects) and others (effects > and/or results). I want to mention that I make a difference between effects > and results. Effects for me are things such as “IOIs”, looks, head-turns and so > on, while results for me are numbers, kisses, makeouts, handjobs, blowjobs, > sex, relationships, women approaching/initiating conversation with me. > > These are just my definitions of effects and results and I just wanted people > who wants to read this Journal from my point of view. I will also in the next > posts be very objective as humanly possible and I will save subjective views > after I have described and explained certain effects. I want to avoid acting > like I found the holy grail (until I surely know I have or just something really > good to use) and thus talking in more dry text but widely described though. > > **Ethical Concerns** > I will not be telling people that I am wearing pheromones that are supposed to > have certain impacts on them. I do not intend to harm, hurt or damage any > person in my upcoming experiments. Since I will not be telling people what I > am actually doing, this would be almost like natural observation, but in this > case I will be an active observer, a participator in the beauty of nature itself. > > I will do in my best power to make other people in my environment to feel that > their lives are enriched by my experiments but since I will never tell them why > or what I was doing certain things my experiments do not reach the criteria > for being called “scientific” my measure methods are also highly limited as well. > > **Theoretical Frameworks** > There are a few theoretical frameworks that I will try to orient myself in and > between when I will be interpreting the observed effects and results in all my > upcoming experiments. Since I will be the only “self-claimed scientist” in all > the experiments there will probably always be a lack of objectivity when I do > interpret my experiments afterwards and write a report on them here. Just > keep that in my as you read the upcoming reports of my phero-experiments. > > Misattribution Arousal Theory first. This is a theory of arousal that states > that sometimes people misinterpret what really caused them to feel arousal. > > This has been shown in experiments (1) where men find a woman more > attractive because they attributed her looks to the arousal they felt when > they were standing on a high bridge where the female approached them. > > Also, research shows this to be true in women as well and that there are > many different ways to induce arousal such as exercise as well as fear (2). > > Another interesting framework is something known as _commitment and_ > _consistency_ (3). This states that people are more committed to continue > doing something if they feel it was their own choice to begin with it in the > first place and also that it seems consistent with what they previously did. > > These are some frameworks that I will be trying to interpret from and > understand my effects and results from when interacting with women. > > **Experimental Challenges** > Finally, since I will be doing these experiments on my own without any > “outsiders” observering me as I am trying to observe what happens, I > will probably run into some cognitive biases that may confound my > interpretations. For example, since I have been reading what AMMO is > supposed to do, I might be intentionally looking for it and not being able > to observe when my hypotheses are false. This is the confirmation bias (4). > > Another possible challenge is that I might feel I do not want to report here > when I find that the effects and/or results are none. This is the well-known > publication bias (5) which must be taken into account when reporting here. > > A third challenge is the placebo effect (6) where I might experience that I > suddenly notice more “IOIs” (effects) just because I am now observing since > I have now put on cologne and are looking how people are responding to me. > > A fourth challenge and the last one is the post-purchase bias (7) or choice- > supportive bias (8). Both these biases have to do with the fact that I might > rationalize that I actually saw more effects and/or results with the bought > product because otherwise I would have to tell myself that I was stupid. > > All these biases need to be taken into consideration when experimenting, > observing and interpreting the effects and/or results of the experiments. > > **Conclusions and Beyond** > I am really looking forward for the product to come. I do not know what to > expect since I haven’t seen anyone using any of the products from the site > here in Sweden so it will be really interesting to see how the Swedes will be > reacting towards my AMMO-cologne and hopefully it will be all just positive! > > With all this said I will be reporting back as soon as I have gotten AMMO and > started going out with it in different areas where you can find girls & women. > > \\ AplAy /// > > **References** > > 1. Dutton, D., G. & Aron, A., P. (1974). Some evidence for heightened sexual attraction under conditions of high anxiety. _Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 30_, 510-517. > > 2. Vosgerau, J. (2010). How Prevalent Is Wishful Thinking? Misattribution of Arousal Causes Optimism and Pessimism in Subjective Probabilities. _Journal of Experimental Psychology: General, 139_, 1, 32–48. > > 3. Cialdini, R., B. (2007). _Influence: The Science of Persuasion_. New York: HarperCollins Publishers Inc. > > 4. S. Nickerson, R., S. (1998). Confirmation Bias: A Ubiquitous Phenomenon in Many Guises. _Review of General Psychology, 2_, 2, 175-220. > > 5. Easterbrook, P., J. & Berlin, J., A. (1991). Publication bias in clinical research. _The Lancet, 337_, 8746, 867-872. > > 6. Hróbjartsson, A. (1996). The uncontrollable placebo effect. _European journal of clinical pharmacology, 50_, 5, 345–348. > > 7. Cohen, J., B. & Goldberg, M., E. (1970). The Dissonance Model in Post-Decision Product Evaluation. _Journal of Marketing Research, 7_, 3, 315-321. > > 8. Mather, M. & Johnson, M., K. (2000). Choice-supportive source monitoring: Do our decisions seem better to us as we age? _Psychology and Aging, 15_, 596-606. I hope you find whatever your searching for. And I mean this positively. I ask respectfully this quesition: Are you open to suggestion and ideas of others? Are would you rather me to PM you? ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/3 "2010-09-25T04:24:29Z")
> [@MVKBUGATTI](#): > > I hope you find whatever your searching for. And I mean this positively. I ask respectfully this quesition: Are you open to suggestion and ideas of others? Are would you rather me to PM you? Hey man! Yes we could exchange ideas over PM. I am always open for ideas and suggestions from people who has been here longer than me and who has already had some experiences with different mones. I really highly value real-life stories. So, feel free to send me ideas and suggestions over PM and I’ll be glad to participate, man! \\ AplAy /// ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/4 "2010-09-29T18:28:18Z")
**Update, 2010-09-29, wednesday, 6:37 PM** Today an AMMO 1x arrived to me and also a bonus, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 1x, arrived as well, I have to thank Androtics for this awesome bonus. Now, I will be writing a report on sunday about my experiences with AMMO + Instant Shine (both 1x). The locations where I will be testing AMMO + Instant Shine will be first at my friends pre-party where there will be alot of guys and some girls. Then we will be heading out to some clubs where I expect it to be more people, particularly girls. I will spray one time with the nozzle from AMMO and Instant Shine on my wrists, however I am open for suggestions here since other people may have already tried different places for the combination of AMMO and Instant Shine. Feel free to share these with me here before the day of saturday is coming to its end. I don’t know how long one spraying from each bottle will last on my body, but hopefully it will last a few hours and I won’t have to spray on some more later in the evening. I will also take a shower when I get home so my bed does not smell pheromones. I will also be careful with the doses since I am taking an anti-depressive medicine, Sertraline 50mg, and also 1g Omega-3 supplement. **Speculations about the effects of AMMO** Now, when I use the word speculation, I really mean speculate, when I use the word theory, I mean something that has empirical backup behind it. It is NOT “just a theory” so to speak. So, the AMMOs content is very interesting. Its content is mainly: 1) 2,5mcg Alpha Androstenol, 2) 2,5mcg Androsterone, and 3) 2,5mcg Androstenone (1). This content mix is very interesting indeed. For example, in one study 289 females would smell on 5mg androstenone and then evaluate it through a seven-point scale. Some of these females were in their peak of their ovulation and what was found was that females who were in their peak of their ovulation found the smell of androstenone pleasent (2). In another study, 12 males & females undergraduates would rate photographs of males and females while wearing surgical masks. Some of these masks had impregnated androstenol while others had no odour whatsoever. It was then found that people smelling androstenol while rating all the photographs would rate all the pictures as being much more “warmer” & much more “friendly” (3). These findings are interesting and hopefully, when I combine AMMO with Instant Shine I might notice similar results. It will be very interesting to to experiment with these two compounds. On an ending notice, a very recent study showed that women smelling androstadienone while rating males appear to rate them as more attractive and this study was also consistent with previous studies on androstadienone (4). This is something AD might want to check out and see if there’re any possibilities creating some androstadienone. Smell ya’ll later! \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. What chemicals are inside AMMO?? Forum Post. [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-chemicals-are-inside-ammo/42021](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-chemicals-are-inside-ammo/42021) Retrieved: 2010-09-29. 2. Grammer K. (1993). 5-a-androst-16en-3a-on: a male pheromone? A brief report. _Ethology and Sociobiology, 14_, 201–209. 3. Kirk-Smith, M., Booth M., A., Carroll D. & Davies, P. (1978). Human social attitudes affected by androstenol. _Research Communications in Psychology, Psychiatry and Behavior, 3_, 379–384. 4. Saxton, T., K., Lyndon, A., Little, A., C. & Roberts, S., C. (2008). Evidence that androstadienone, a putative human chemosignal, modulates women’s attributions of men’s attractiveness. _Hormones and Behavior, 54_, 597–601. ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/5 "2010-09-30T16:57:19Z")
**Have AD made a fraud to me?** Now, this title is extremely sensitive and no one should jump to conclusions here. However, today on my Internet Bank cash-account which I used to pay for AMMO (and where [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) came as bonus), a withdraw was made with the title/comment name, “First clear” which has a kinda negative tone of voice. 3547 kr (around 511$ if 7kr = $1) was withdrawn and I have NOT bought anything with that cost anywhere on the Internet and since AD was the lastest place I bought something with my Visa Card, I suspect AD (or someone who has hacked into AD and logged me while I bought from there). I will go to my bank tomorrow and demand to know where the hell the money was withdrawn from. I don’t want to point fingers here since money is a sensitive topic, but if AD stole around 511$ from me, please put it back again, and I won’t hesitate to buy more products from you. On saturday I will be on my way to find out how false or true peoples’ reports here have been when it comes to how much mones can really help you or if they are just another part of the SciFi-world. Thanks in advance for giving my 511$ back! (I am NOT accusing AD, just suspecting either them or someone who hacked into their system did it.) \\ AplAy /// ---
**Author:** ![MVKBUGATTI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MVKBUGATTI](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MVKBUGATTI)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/6 "2010-09-30T17:25:27Z")
> [@AplAy](#): > > **Have AD made a fraud to me?** > Now, this title is extremely sensitive and no one should jump to conclusions > here. However, today on my Internet Bank cash-account which I used to pay > for AMMO (and where Instant Shine came as bonus), a withdraw was made with > the title/comment name, “First clear” which has a kinda negative tone of voice. > > 3547 kr (around 511$ if 7kr = $1) was withdrawn and I have NOT bought > anything with that cost anywhere on the Internet and since AD was the lastest > place I bought something with my Visa Card, I suspect AD (or someone who has > hacked into AD and logged me while I bought from there). I will go to my bank > tomorrow and demand to know where the hell the money was withdrawn from. > > I don’t want to point fingers here since money is a sensitive topic, but if AD > stole around 511$ from me, please put it back again, and I won’t hesitate to > buy more products from you. On saturday I will be on my way to find out how > false or true peoples’ reports here have been when it comes to how much > mones can really help you or if they are just another part of the SciFi-world. > > Thanks in advance for giving my 511$ back! (I am NOT accusing AD, just > suspecting either them or someone who hacked into their system did it.) > > \\ AplAy /// I believe you may want to first address this issue off-line by directly contacting Steve, because he is one of their point of contacts. I no money isn’t a laughing matter. Please call Steve. ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/7 "2010-10-01T13:10:17Z")
**UPDATE: Fraud From “First Clear”, London, Great Britain, by Mr. Douchebag** Some douchebag used my credit card number to buy crap from a crappy company from another country and not Sweden. Anyway, local bank and local police has taken care of this issue so AD seems to have nothing to do with this anymore. However, since this happened one week after I got my perfume, it raises distrust, in me at least, in buying internationally in the near future. On another note and also positive one, tomorrow will be the big day of me actually applying AMMO 1x and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 1x. I think I will wear it on my neck and on my wrists for starters since I will use my arms a lot which spreads the perfume more and my neck will always be the last thing that women will notice when I pass them by and then they will smell it clearly. I’m really looking forward for this awesome experiment. I have no hopes or expectations, but I trust in the science I have off pheromones so far and all great reports about AMMO & Instant Shine I have collected so far (1-44): Smell ya’ll later! \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. [Instant Shine self effect and tolerance](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-self-effect-and-tolerance/41770) 2. [Instant Shine: strange experience](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-strange-experience/1094) 3. [Instant Shine experience: a skeptic reports great results with new people](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-experience/39637) 4. [Could Instant Shine help with depression? Replies say mones are not medication](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-depression/39244) 5. [My Review of Instant Shine so far.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-review-of-instant-shine-so-far/39520) 6. [Instant Shine and Women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-and-women/39439) 7. 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[Ammo + Instant Shine Report from 1st-time user--Believer](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-report-from-1st-time-user-believer/37655) 26. [Happytappin 1st try with AMMO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/happytappin-1st-try-with-ammo/37925) 27. [Ammo Vs. Bad Girl](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-bad-girl/37926) 28. [I refuse to use AMMO again!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-refuse-to-use-ammo-again/37646) 29. [So far and how much and when to use ammo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-far-and-how-much-and-when-to-use-ammo/37615) 30. [1 spray of the old version of ammo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-spray-of-the-old-version-of-ammo/37282) 31. [New Ammo shipment showed no reactions, but Instant Shine got a strong hit](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-didnt-work-again-instant-shine-worked-though/37330) 32. [AMMO + IS: Instant blonde magnet](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-instant-blonde-magnet/37074) 33. [Some Hits With Ammo + IS](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-hits-with-ammo-is/36812) 34. [Ammo is just so ridiculously good!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-just-so-ridiculously-good/36710) 35. [First experience with Ammo F22 and Instant Shine: a flirty waitress sat in his lap](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-experience-with-ammo/36623) 36. [Ammo OD or just too much scent? First night on 2x Ammo, 2x IS and 2x IO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-od/36597) 37. [Ammo + Instant Shine = Good Stuff!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-good-stuff/36629) 38. [Ammo + IS at library today.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-at-library-today/2275) 39. [Instant Shine + AMMO = pure bliss.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-ammo-pure-bliss/27447) 40. [Funny tale about vicars, icecream and ammo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/funny-tale-about-vicars-icecream-and-ammo/36223) 41. [Ammo and Instant Shine...any experience with these two?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-instant-shine-any-experience-with-these-two/30694) 42. [Lucky Ammo users REPORT](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lucky-ammo-users-report/35194) 43. [Ammo: two months at school with only small hits, how do I make it work for me?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo/10866) 44. [Ammo - I was a hater but now... I like it !!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-i-was-a-hater-but-now-i-like-it/35518) ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/8 "2010-10-02T14:16:30Z")
**Executing Unethical Social Experiment 1** Definition: Puff(s) = One push on the nozzle of a [pheromone perfume](https://phera.com/shop/) on one part of my body. Tonight is the tonight, I have decided to finally test AMMO + Instant Shine which I got just a few days ago. I will use one puff of AMMO on my left wrist and one puff of Instant Shine on my right wrist. Then I will be able to notice how girls (and guys as well) respond to each my wrists and thus to each kind of pheromones I will be using tonight. How many girls there will be there is unknown so far but I hope there will be plenty and since I was at my friend yesterday and there was two girls there then, that will work as “control subjects”, a reference that I will compare. I can say that yesterday the girls did not give me no what so ever so called “attention”. I took a shower yesterday as well so I am prepared. In a few minutes I will be heading down to my friend’s house and then I will put on the perfumes outside the house so I do not contaminate the house and thus no one will neither know where I got my smell from (smart as hell!). I will report here in about 10-12 hours. So, I will smell ya all later, guys n’ gals! \\ AplAy /// ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/9 "2010-10-04T12:13:52Z")
**Executed Unethical Social Experiment 1 FAILED** I was supposed to be at a party two days ago and meeting girls there but there was no girls there and I had no credit card to use to get into clubs later on so I went home, however I did use [pheromones](https://a314.com/) today and I will report in next post! \\ AplAy /// ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 1:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/10 "2010-10-04T13:35:58Z")
**Social Experiment 1: AMMO Used On Wrists In A College-School Setting** This report below will describe my very true first real-life evidence-based experiences with AMMO (strength 1x). I will first begin with background, then method (where and how I used AMMO), then results where I will describe my observations, and then finally discussion where I will discuss my results by comparing scientific research and reports from other people to explain my results. **Introduction** _Background_ A few weeks ago I got my AMMO 1x and my Instant Shine 1x to my home. I was very excited to start using AMMO since I have been reading about its positive effects in some scientific studies (1-3), and peoples’ reports (4-6). I then have to investigate this for myself to see how much pheromones will facilitate, the natural process of meeting a woman, for me. I have an AMMO 1x and an Instant Shine 1x to my disposal that I will experiment a lot with. _Purpose of this study_ In this very first experiment I’ll investigate the effects of AMMO 1x on people (particularly women) in school setting (college for this matter). **Method** _Definitions_ Puff = Just one push on the nozzle of a pheromone bottle to one part of my body. _Material_ I used one bottle of AMMO 1x which I bought here (7). I used none Instant Shine which I will save for upcoming experiments. _Procedure_ Before I used any pheromones today I had taken a shower yesterday evening to make sure I do not sweat too much or smell too much of other pheromones. Five minutes before I went in to the classroom I first went to a public toilet and I locked myself in. When I was in there, I used one puff of AMMO 1x on each of my wrists. This equals two puffs totally with the AMMO 1x bottle. I then went to the classroom and I was sitting pretty close to the stage where two teachers were standing (one is ugly, one is kinda cute). There were also about 40+ girls and women in ages between 19-35+. I didn’t wave with my hands as to spreading the smell more from my wrists. I shook only hand with three girls. I was walking around some and observing discretely. _Measurable Outcomes Variables_ I looked for increased eye contact, more talking than usual, body orientation towards me, more smiling, or flirting from others and any negative or positive mood changes in myself through self-observation and introspection. These are not easy to count if you do not use any notepad and I didn’t use any of that. **Results** I will now present my observations of using two puffs of AMMO 1x on my wrists which equals two puffs. I begin with self-effects and then the effects it had on other people which I will just plainly and simply call “other effects”. _Self-Effects_ I observed no mood-enhancing effects in myself such as more happiness, more smiling, more laughing, feeling more comfortable or anything in that regard. I neither experienced any negative effects which I find important to mention here since some people has reported negative effects (8-9). Overall, I did not experience or observe any positive or enhancing already something positive effects in myself, neither did I experience any negative. _Other effects_ I did not observe any positive effects from other people such as more smiling, initiating conversations, talking more than usual with me, prolonged usage of eye contact, proximity, body orientation towards me. However, I neither saw any negative effects here like avoiding eye contact, avoiding talking, talking less than usual with me, ending conversations I initiated, or less compliance. The other effects were as neutral as the self-effects were in the results I observed. I was careful to not overestimate females’ natural usage of body language where they might flip their hair, play with it since this may be due to the fact that they are nervous since this was the first time of a new course. **Discussion** There are two interesting things to address in this very first study. The first one is to explain why I did not observe effects that other people has been reporting when they have been using AMMO just as I have (4-6). The other thing that needs to be addressed is the limitations of this very first study. _Why no effects yet?_ One very interesting fact when it comes to female smell sensitivity is that it has been shown that females are most sensitive to smell during ovulation (10) and that their mood changes throughout their menstruation cycle (11). It is very important though, to ask if it is very likely that over 40+ people of the female sex would have been all within the same range in their ovulation at this particular time of the day. I find this very unlikely and these studies above don’t give a full picture of the problem that I experienced (no effects). One likely explanation is the environment where the mones were used (12) since I used them in a classroom setting where people are not really open to sex as they would be in clubs. Since everyone is thinking what everyone else is thinking there would be a mass-psychosis of people worrying what everyone else is thinking (although no one is thinking nothing about anyone ironically!). Since girls are more concerned about their status in their peer-group and in society in general and they are the ones, sadly, men call “sluts”, it is very likely that some (or many) of them were trying to control how they felt and they might have smelled and got affected by the mones but couldn’t show it. This is very important when it comes to understand the results, this part of the method, the location, is crucial to keep in mind when analyzing results. _Limitations in this first study_ The first and biggest limitation of this study is the lack of studies with AMMO 1x when I am using it. Some people has reported positive effects (4-6) while other people has reported negative effects (8-9). Since we are all different and respond differently to mones we need to compare our results with our previous results using same and/or different mones. This was my very first study of applying AMMO 1x in a college setting so I need to apply it more there and on different places on my body and in combination with Instant Shine before I make any important conclusions about its effects in that kind of environment with me as its user. Another limitation is the stimulus usage. With this I mean where I sprayed my mones. I used one puff on my left wrist and one puff on my right wrist. We people usually communicate through eye contact and this means we will really not pay attention so much to the hands or wrists for that matter. In other words, we will not be able to smell as good as if it has been used on the neck, back of the neck or on the throat. This needs to be considered when applying AMMO 1x again for the next experiment. _Conclusions_ This is the very first study of me applying two puffs of AMMO 1x on each of my wrists which equals a total use of 2 puffs of AMMO 1x. I experienced no negative or positive effects, neither in myself or in other people. I need to make more studies, and combine AMMO 1x with my Instant Shine 1x to see if observable effects will occur. I cannot make any lasting conclusions here about whether “mones work or don’t work” since people have been reporting very mixed results (4-6,8-9). I have decided that I will try Instant Shine due to the fact of the environment I have been using AMMO in and its nature (12). _ **Smell ya’ll later!** _ \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. Grammer K. (1993). 5-a-androst-16en-3a-on: a male pheromone? A brief report. _Ethology and Sociobiology, 14_, 201–209. 2. Kirk-Smith, M., Booth M., A., Carroll D. & Davies, P. (1978). Human social attitudes affected by androstenol. _Research Communications in Psychology, Psychiatry and Behavior, 3_, 379–384. 3. Saxton, T., K., Lyndon, A., Little, A., C. & Roberts, S., C. (2008). Evidence that androstadienone, a putative human chemosignal, modulates women’s attributions of men’s attractiveness. _Hormones and Behavior, 54_, 597–601. 4. [1 spray of the old version of ammo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-spray-of-the-old-version-of-ammo/37282) 5. [Happytappin 1st try with AMMO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/happytappin-1st-try-with-ammo/37925) 6. [Never EVER doubt Ammo or TUTH!!!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/never-ever-doubt-ammo-or-tuth/40322) 7. “AMMUNITION” (In the Battle of the Sexes!) [Pheromone Cologne](https://a314.com/shop/) for Men :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) 8. [I refuse to use AMMO again!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-refuse-to-use-ammo-again/37646) 9. [Ammo - Feeling less talkative.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-feeling-less-talkative/39485) 10. Doty R., L., Snyder, P., J., Huggins, G., R. & Lowry, L., D. (1998). Endocrine, cardiovascular, and psychological correlates of olfactory sensitivity changes during the human menstrual cycle. _Journal of Comparative & Physiological Psychology, 95_, 45–60. 11. Benton, D. (1982). The influence of androstenol, a putative human pheromone - on mood throughout the menstrual cycle. _Biological Psychology, 15_,249–56. 12. [A Ghosting First-Time Experience With AMMO 1x???](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-ghosting-first-time-experience-with-ammo-1x/42318/2) ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/11 "2010-10-31T20:38:46Z")
I have been gone for a while because of error on computer, alot of schoolwork and so on but now I am back with two new cool studies! **Social Experiment 2: AMMO Used On Throat and Neck in a Club Setting** \*\*Introduction \*\*\*Background \*In a recent field-experiment (1) I used one spray of AMMO on my each of my wrists and I was hoping that this would affect people around me. But my results showed no kind of positive effect, neither negative as well so in my discussion part then of that study (1) I pointed out that it might have been because I couldn’t expose people to the pheromones as much I might have been needed. One new source (2) states that pheromones do not really travel so far so you would need to be in peoples’ faces to affect them This opens a new idea I want to try out: I will be using 1 spray of AMMO on both my neck and throat. This totals 2 sprays of AMMO on my body. _The purpose of this study_ To investigate the effects of two sprays of AMMO where one spray is on the neck and one is on the throat, in order to examine if effects will appear if the pheromones are on a more “face-to-face”-level such as neck/throat. \*\* Method \*\*_Definitions_ Puff = Just one push on the nozzle of a pheromone bottle to one part of my body. _Material_ I used one bottle of AMMO 1x which I bought here (3). I used none Instant Shine which I will save for upcoming experiments. _Procedure_ I had taken a shower the day before I used two puffs of AMMO 1x strength on myself, where one puff was on my neck and the other one was on my throat. I used newly washed clothes and my same jacket and my typical grey cap that I always use and I also used great body language as well! I took the puffs of the AMMO 1x on my friend’s toilet before we went out so they had about 10-15 minutes to buffer or whatever it is called now… I went to a club with some friends and I had hardtime, sadly, to approach girls but, me and my friends met some girls who I knew from before and one of these girls were pretty drunk and she probably smelled me when I shook hands. I was sitting down the whole time when I was interacting with this girl and I was observing the different effects discretely as well. **Results** I will now present my observations of using two puffs of AMMO 1x on my wrists which equals two puffs. I begin with self-effects and then the effects it had on other people which I will just plainly and simply call “other effects”. _Self-Effects_ I was observing no kind of special effects on myself with this combination of using one puff of AMMO 1x on my throat and one puff on my neck too. \*Other Effects \*When I was sitting down with my friends at the club two girls who I knew since childhood, one more than the other, came up to us and one of them were pretty drunk. She shook hand with me and she was pretty aggressive and also she was very physical with me because when a photographer for the club came up she came close up to me before he took a shot of us. I perceived this as a kind of IOI since she was very physically close to me. She was also very talkative, more than usual she had been other times so this time the AMMO 1x on my throat and neck might have facilitated the natural process of a man meeting a woman in a setting where “picking up each other” is more socially accepted, compared to my other study (1) where I was at a school setting where “picking up” is less socially accepted. **Discussion** This is the first study to show some facilitating/positive effects of the pheromone product AMMO (3) and that this creates more interest to investigate the usage of AMMO 1x more in club settings that this study was done in. The first study (1) was done in a school setting where “picking up each other” is less accepted so that might have been a confounder that messed up the results I otherwise might I have seen then. _Weaknesses with the study_ Now, one weakness with this study that needs to be taken into account is that this study was done alot of weeks ago and since memory tends to become distorted over time (4) this report might be wrongly written by me. Another important factor that might have accounted for the positive results I observed is the fact that when people are drunk their perception of attractive one is changes and thus they judge one as more attractive which they otherwise might not (5). Thus, I would be seeing IOIs and other kinds of positive results just because the girl I’m “gaming” is drunk. Finally, there is always this factor of the woman’s time of the month and how this effects which has been detailed described in the other study (1). \*Where do we go from here? \*This study has partially shown benefits from using AMMO 1x on throat and neck, what now should be tried is to mix Instant Shine 1x with AMMO 1x since this has been reported to have positive effects combined (6-10). Thus, in the upcoming experiment I will be mixing AMMO 1x with Instant Shine 1x and still go to a club setting since it seems to be a good place. _ **Smell ya’ll later, guys!!!** _ \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. [Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016) 2. Morris, D. (2009). _The Naked Man: A Study of the Male Body_. London: Random House. 3. “AMMUNITION” (In the Battle of the Sexes!) [Pheromone Cologne](https://a314.com/shop/) for Men :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) 4. McDonough, I., M. & Gallo, D., A. (2008). Autobiographical Elaboration Reduces Memory Distortion: Cognitive Operations and the Distinctiveness Heuristic. _Journal of Experimental Psychology: Learning, Memory, and Cognition, 34,_ 6, 1430-1445. 5. Halsey, L., G., Huber, J., W., Bufton, R., D., J. & Little, A., C. (2010). An explanation for enhanced perceptions of attractiveness after alcohol consumption. _Alcohol, 44_, 307-313. 6. [Newb's Experience with Ammo + Instant Shine mixes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbs-experience-with-ammo-instant-shine-mixes/40165) 7. [Ammo + Instant Shine = Good Stuff!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-good-stuff/36629) 8. [Ammo + Instant Shine + Journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-journal/36997) 9. [Heavy Ammo and Instant Shine](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavy-ammo-and-instant-shine/37591) 10. [Ammo + Instant Shine Report from 1st-time user--Believer](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-report-from-1st-time-user-believer/37655) ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/12 "2010-10-31T21:12:46Z")
**Social Experiment 3: AMMO + Instant Shine Mixed Used In A Club Setting** \*\*Introduction \*\*\*Background \*In my very first experiment (7) I used only two sprays of AMMO 1x, one on each of my wrists. This experiment took place in a school settings I did not observe any effects. I thought this had to do with I could not expose people to my pheromones enough and also the school setting does not allow or accept “picking up each other” compared to club settings. So, in my last study (1) that took place a few weeks ago I used two sprays of AMMO 1x, one on my neck and one of my throat and I observed more positive effects which might have been because of alcohol. But it may also, hopefully, been because I used AMMO on my upper parts of my body, the neck and the throat in other words. This last study took place in a club setting which also might have partially explained why I saw effects. Now, in both first two studies I only used AMMO 1x but I do have one bottle of Instant Shine 1x as well and I have been reading some great reports (2-6) and they suggest that a combination of AMMO 1x and Instant Shine 1x can bring even more powerful effects than AMMO or Instant Shine alone can, so this is worthy of me to investigate further. _The Purpose of this Study_ The aim of this study is to investigate whether a mix of Instant Shine 1x and AMMO 1x will have more observable and better effects on people such as women compared to what AMMO 1x have had in my last studies (1, 7). \*\* Method \*\*_Definitions_ Puff = Just one push on the nozzle of a pheromone bottle to one part of my body. _Material_ I used one bottle of AMMO 1x which I bought here (8). I used one bottle of Instant Shine (9) which I got as gift when I bought the AMMO 1x bottle. I will be using both bottles in this experiment. _Procedure_ I had been taken a shower one day before this experiment and I have newly washed clothes, my same jacket and a very ugly and colorful cap since it was Halloween this weekend when I went out, so this means that this experiment took place this last saturday of this month (october). I used one puff of AMMO 1x and one puff of Instant Shine 1x, both on my throat and I did this before I went out with my friends from their house. When we came to the place there was a lot of people and I actually approached a few girls this time which was very good If I admit it myself and I could now be observing typical IOIs (and also my own “the hidden IOI” as I call it since it is a very complex version of a lot of combined IOIs). I was also a little bit drunk which helped me a lot with my so called “approach anxiety” and also being more in the moment and just flow with the talking and talking bullshit just to talk which is usually a good thing. **Results** I will now present the effects of using one puff of AMMO 1x and one puff of Instant Shine 1x, both on my throat. I begin with presenting the self-effects, what effects the mones had on me and then the other effects which are the effects I observed in people around me, focusing on women. _Self-Effects_ I was observing more courageous behavior in myself (I was in fact approaching random girls in the club!) but this might also have been due to that I have had been drinking beer so I was kinda drunk which was fine. \*Other Effects \*When I came to the club with my friends we bought some more beer and I took some cider instead (also known as “Chick-beer” here in Sweden) and then I saw three girls sitting, dressed out as vampires and devils little helpers and then I said to my friends, “Hey, check this out when I approach these girls!” and my friend said, “Sure, AplAy, go for it!” so I did. I went up to the group, sat down on a sofa that was empty and seemed to be waiting for someone to sit in it, the girls were probably waiting to get picked up even if they do not want to admit for themselves or us guys. When I sat down I turned on a smile and I was giving everyone eye contact and I used my homemade opener that is meant to catch peoples’ attention, to stand out and just being interesting to talk about, so I said, “Hey girls, I am writing a book about relationships, between men and women, and I must go very soon, but I’m gonna ask ya’ll some questions!”. One blonde girl, dressed out as the devil’s little helper responded positively, one girl in dark black hair, dressed out as something undead, not so much dressed out also responded positively and finally the last girl in the group, with longer dark black hair was not responding at all, she was more neutral. Then I kept going with my conversation-starter, “Okay, first question; what is your biggest fear, in a relationship, with a man?” and then I pointed at them and the blonde girl seemed to be the most responsive one here. I kept talking to her mostly because of this, then a friend of mine who was annoying now and trying to steal her from me came in so I had to turn him down in a way, being mean to him so to speak so I did, pretty much!!! I called him as, “having a little penis” and the girl laughed so later on he disappeared which was good. The blonde girl seemed to have been the one responding most positively and longest to me. She was also leaning in, smiling and all these well-known IOIs. Then later on we sat at a table and talking, then she leaved, then her friend came and I started talking to her alone which also worked fine then she left. Then I found the blonde girl again and I went in and took her by the lower part of her back and I leaded her to a table with chairs and here I should have gone for the kiss. But I did not so here my courage was lacking and thus I did not create anymore results than seeing that the pheromones seemed to have done a lot of great facilitation in this club setting this particular Halloween-night. **Discussion** This study is the first one to show very positive and facilitating effects of combining AMMO 1x with Instant Shine 1x together. This study supports the results also reported in older reports of combing both AMMO 1x and Instant 1x with each other (2-6). I should keep using this combination! \*A Future and Hope For mones afterall? \*This study and the study (1) before this one is showing a positive light on the mones. When I got onto this site I was very sceptical and I was not also expecting any magical results whatsoever from pheromones and I have not done that, yet. There is also a whole thread on this subject, what pheromones can and cannot do for you (10) that is recommended to read. Nonetheless, I have seen some facilitating effects, particularly when I combine AMMO 1x and Instant Shine 1x with each other and this is very promising since if I can get facilitating effects in terms of IOIs and “the hidden IOI” as I call it, this could really make things easier and also quicker. I could get more courage and being more courageous in my actions so I approach girls more often, take things to the next level and so on since I know I am more likely to stimulate them more positively due to the mones. Once again I do not believe in magic (but I love to experience magic!) so I will not be waiting for girls to knock on my door because I used mones. I will however, be using the mix of Instant Shine 1x and AMMO 1x more now. \*Where do we go from here? \*This study has created a new opportunity, which is to use a mix of AMMO 1x and Instant Shine 1x at a school setting to see how much girls will be willing to express their feelings they are getting when exposed to this mix. In the next study then I will be presenting some observable effects of mixing AMMO 1x and Instant Shine 1x used in a school settings and then I can compare that study’s results with the very first study I did once (7). Until then… _ **Smell ya’ll later, guys!!!** _ \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. [Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women - #11 by AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/11) 2. [Newb's Experience with Ammo + Instant Shine mixes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/newbs-experience-with-ammo-instant-shine-mixes/40165) 3. [Ammo + Instant Shine = Good Stuff!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-good-stuff/36629) 4. [Ammo + Instant Shine + Journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-journal/36997) 5. [Heavy Ammo and Instant Shine](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavy-ammo-and-instant-shine/37591) 6. [Ammo + Instant Shine Report from 1st-time user--Believer](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-instant-shine-report-from-1st-time-user-believer/37655) 7. [Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016) 8. “AMMUNITION” (In the Battle of the Sexes!) 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Hey AplAy, Nice extensive analysis. Try Social Experiment 3 again but this time a different venue. Try a coffee house. Being sober with the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and caffeine running through your blood system, you should be able to pick up more IOIs. Both subtle and not so subtle. At least you can observe reactions under better lighting conditions. Don’t be suprised when a woman changes seats or repositions herself to face you. As they say seeing is believing. Good Luck ODG ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/14 "2010-11-16T20:37:10Z")
I have been at three “Student Ambassador Educations” and at these places there are some women and I have had the chance to make a control study where I would one time wear no mones at all & one time with mones on me. Through this I could compare my results and see what impact mones had! **Social Experiment 4: AMMO + Instant Shine Mixed Used In An Educational Setting** This experiment played out in three days, although there were first 2 days in a row, then 1 day that happened one week later after the 2 first days. \*\*Background \*\*_Past Experiments_ In two recent experiments (1-2) I have observed what I would consider facilitating effects of mones. In one experiment (2) I combined AMMO 1x and Instant Shine 1x, where I sprayed them on my throat and I saw some facilitating effects in terms of more talking from me and other women too. In these experiments I had taken a shower one day before I applied the mones and in both settings were clubs. I have also recently discussed in one thread (3) whether I should take a shower just before I apply mones or if I could wait one or more days before I apply it. It was then suggested that mones such as A1 would lose its effect if I did not clean my body of bacteria since this would convert into bad, funky and useless smells (4). However, I wanted to try what happens if I took no shower for two days and then applied mones in typical school setting. In my very first study I did in a school setting (5) I saw no facilitating effects at all and it was suggested in another thread that this had to do with the setting itself (7). \*The aim of this experiment \*So, in this experiment I aimed to see if I would notice any self effects and/or effects on other people. It was also particularly interesting to observe the effects a combination of AMMO & Instant Shine would have on women since this whole journal is about succeeding with hot women. \*\*Method \*\*\*Material \*I used Ammo (strength 1x) and Instant Shine (strength 1x). \*Procedure \*I sprayed one time with Ammo and two times with Instant Shine, both on my throat. Note however, that I kinda missed the first time with Instant Shine and that was why I sprayed twice with that one and not with Ammo. I sprayed with these mones, when I had arrived to the school setting, at a toilet there and I was discrete so no one knew what I was doing there. \*Measurable Outcomes \*The kind of concrete results I was looking for was more girls talking to me in the class on their on initiative, or that they would talk more or ask more if I initiated conversations. I was also looking for any typical kind of IOIs from them such as intense eye contact, genuine smiles and physical touch. \*\*Results \*\*\*Observed Results Day1 and Day2 at the Student Ambassador Education \*The two first days that played out in a row, I used no mones at all and I was just being the way I am as usual; positive, social, outgoing and willing to be a little bit crazy just for the fun of it. I talked with two particular girls that I had some interest in. One was a german girl and she seemed interested in me even though she had a boyfriend (this fact didn’t surprise me at all!). Another girl, or maybe woman since she’s 25 years old, also seemed interested in me slightly. I ran the famous “Cube” routine on her. Some effects from both days from both these girls were: a) playful touching from the german girl, b) some infrequent playful physical touching from the older girl, c) al ot of laughs and smiles from the german girl, d) some initiated talking from both girls infrequently. Remember that these two first days I used no mones at all on me. \*Observed Results Day3 at the Student Ambassador Education \*This day I used Ammo and Instant Shine as described in the method in this report. One thing that was really sad was that neither the german girl or the older girl was there this day on the education so I could not really compare their reactions to me wearing mones and me not wearing mones. One interesting self-effect I noticed in myself was more talking, being more social (or I might just have been more accustomed to the group and thus been more comfortable being more expressive in my behavior and speech). Another interesting effect was an effect on another man, although I am not aiming to attract men, the effect was nonetheless interesting. This man is from Iraq, has a PhD in electronics and he is usually very silent but after I had come back from the toilet with my mones on my throat’s skin he asked one question and he also seemed more compliant later on when we sat at the train home (we took the train to another city day3). He also talked much more than usual when we was walking from the train station. The sad part of all these results are that I saw no interesting effect from other girls in the class, except one very intense gazing from one girl (but I could have seen wrong, she could have been starting at someone behind me). Also, one very old woman (“mature blonde lady with bomb-breasts”) seemed somehow interested in me (was she maybe ovulating?). So, I can only report that I saw no wanted results from my target group (women!). Yes, I think I saw some from the mature lady, but she was not my target group and she was only there day3 since she worked at this university we all were at so I could not have made any comparison with her in this study. \*\*Discussion \*\*\*Ammo & Instant Shine not working well in school settings? \*One interesting question is why Ammo and Instant Shine does not seem to produce any satisfactory results in school settings. This might have to do with the suggestion mentioned before (6). I have seen some facilitating effects in club settings two times (1-2), so why did I not see this in school settings? Ammo is known to, somehow, create attraction (or maybe enhanced what is already unconsciously there?) (7) and I do know from own real-life experiences that girls do not want to feel slutty but they want to feel sexual at the same time though, so it maybe this issue… In other words, girls may feel uncomfortable in the schools settings since they are feeling more attraction than they are used to feel. So, it may be the case that I should not use Ammo and Instant Shine in school settings. \*Other factors that always screw up the observable results \*We should neither never ever forget that womens’ smell of mones change throughout their menstrual cycle (8) and that womens’ moods changes differently by mones depending on their menestrual cycle as well (9). Since I cannot check where all the girls are in their period I cannot know which one is most sensitive or response to my mones I was wearing and this will most of the times be a challenge and issue I will have to deal with. \*Experiments in the future should be done in club settings? \*Since I have reported in this experiment that was meant to be controlled in a way (trying two days without mones and one day with mones) but it was not because my so called “subjects” were not there on day3, I cannot really conclude whether Ammo and Instant Shine combination had any useful effects or not on these two girls I was supposed to try this on! However, what is suggested now for me is to try more club settings with the combination of AMMO and Instant Shine to see how consistent the results are, because it can be partially concluded that Ammo and Instant Shine, for me, in school settings, do not produce the satisfactory results I am looking for when it comes to meet and succeed with beautiful women. Until then… _ **Smell ya’ll later, folks!** _ \\ AplAy /// **References** 1. [Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women - #12 by AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/12) 2. [Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women - #11 by AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/11) 3. [Shower BEFORE You Apply Pheromones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/shower-before-you-apply-pheromones/43311) 4. [Shower BEFORE You Apply Pheromones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/shower-before-you-apply-pheromones/43311/6) 5. [Journal of Experimental Pheromone Usage When Meeting Women - #10 by AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journal-of-experimental-pheromone-usage-when-meeting-women/42016/10) 6. [A Ghosting First-Time Experience With AMMO 1x???](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-ghosting-first-time-experience-with-ammo-1x/42318/2) 7. “AMMUNITION” (In the Battle of the Sexes!) [Pheromone Cologne](https://a314.com/shop/) for Men :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) 8. Doty R., L., Snyder, P., J., Huggins, G., R. & Lowry, L., D. (1998). Endocrine, cardiovascular, and psychological correlates of olfactory sensitivity changes during the human menstrual cycle. _Journal of Comparative & Physiological Psychology, 95_, 45–60. 9. Benton, D. (1982). The influence of androstenol, a putative human pheromone - on mood throughout the menstrual cycle. _Biological Psychology, 15_,249–56.