# Journals question **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 9, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116 "2017-04-09T03:06:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![snooker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@snooker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snooker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/1 "2017-04-09T03:06:55Z")
Ive had a click around for 15 min or so but not found any, I wondered if there were any journals at all in which someone reports no effects at all or only negative effects? There look to be around 1.5k threads in there and at a glance I couldnt find any. I wondered if anyone who had kept up with the journals over the years (maybe a long time member) could point to any? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/2 "2017-04-09T04:08:51Z")
I’m surprised. 🙂 Please enlighten me. I don’t want to assume what you meant. I’m interested to know why you need help to find some journals with “no effect” experience… to support your claims? Well, if that is so, you won’t need that. The 200% money back guarantee is in effect. You simply have to send in a request via the store/tickets and press the red light for your [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) adventure. Just don’t bother putting up a claim here in the forums because the concierge is not roaming around here as frequently as they do back then. 🙂 It’s a win-win move for you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/3 "2017-04-09T10:08:44Z")
I think most of us who have been around a while have posted on products/combinations that don’t work so well for us in our journals. ---
**Author:** ![snooker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@snooker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snooker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/4 "2017-04-09T15:26:23Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > I’m surprised. 🙂 > > Please enlighten me. I don’t want to assume what you meant. > > I’m interested to know why you need help to find some journals with “no effect” experience… to support your claims? Well, if that is so, you won’t need that. The 200% money back guarantee is in effect. You simply have to send in a request via the store/tickets and press the red light for your pheromone adventure. Just don’t bother putting up a claim here in the forums because the concierge is not roaming around here as frequently as they do back then. 🙂 > > It’s a win-win move for you. 🙂 Really I was looking for someone who had a negative (or ideally totally neutral) initial experiance and then managed to turn it around and now is a regular user, I wanted to swap a few PM with them and get some input from them. Im not trying to support my claims as my claim at the moment is that they dont seem to work on me but from reading this forum they do work well on other people, therefore, in order to learn and progress with my usage what I need to do is really find somoene who had a similar experiance. I could do with finding someone who initially used [pheromones](https://a314.com/) with with zero effect but now uses them effectively. I think I am going to struggle to learn from anyone who sprayed themselves and instantly had self effects that made them feel like a king because I am having zero self effects so I need to find someone who had a similar experiance to me and stuck with it to I can follow in their path. Im not doubting the 200% money back offer (although I do think it is flawed logistically as I need to use the products for a year before I can take that offer up and I have almost used my whole order up therefore I would need to place more orders and the 200% money back only applies to the 1st order so the standard money back offer seems more viable)… I would rather I got these things working vs money back which is why I am persisting on the forum. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/5 "2017-04-10T01:21:01Z")
After reading your journal, I’m not surprised you got poor/no results. You went from low dose to buckets in one step. And spraying that quantity of so many pheros at once **is** going to go poorly for you. > [@](#): > > 5 shots of ammo (I dont want to use up all this stuff as it is the one I have the most interest in using) > 10 shots of TUTH > 10 shots of openness > 10 shots of honesty > 10 shots of shine That’s 37.5mcg of None - well into OD territory on its own and an amount that even someone my age might baulk at using as I would likely be ghosted (ie no response at all) in almost all situations. **However** you then drown it with something in the order of **300mcg** of assorted Nols, plus whatever is in the IS - that is a totally unbalanced amount of socials that will IMO very likely obliterate the effect of any amount on None you might have in there, never mind the poor 12.5mcg of Rone languishing under that lot. Going back to square one and trying sensible doses of **one or two products at a time** , over longer/slower periods might give you a much better idea of their potential. ---
**Author:** ![snooker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@snooker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snooker)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/6 "2017-04-10T01:27:33Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > After reading your journal, I’m not surprised you got poor/no results. > > You went from low dose to buckets in one step. And spraying that quantity of so many pheros at once **is** going to go poorly for you. > > That’s 37.5mcg of None - well into OD territory on its own and an amount that even someone my age might baulk at using as I would likely be ghosted (ie no response at all) in almost all situations. > > **However** you then drown it with something in the order of **300mcg** of assorted Nols, plus whatever is in the IS - that is a totally unbalanced amount of socials that will IMO very likely obliterate the effect of any amount on None you might have in there, never mind the poor 12.5mcg of Rone languishing under that lot. > > Going back to square one and trying sensible doses of **one or two products at a time** , over longer/slower periods might give you a much better idea of their potential. Thanks, I have tried small and medium doses for 9 days as detailed in the log, everyone focuses on the one day where I used too many which I did purposfully just to see what happens when I went over the top as I wasnt seeing anything with the smaller doses. What sort of dose/application would you recommend using to see self effects with ishine/314? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/7 "2017-04-10T04:28:38Z")
Thanks for clearing that up. 🙂 As mobocaster have stated above, most of the community members have posted some negative results in their journals. I think community members such as justintime have experienced the same no-hit experience during their early phero-adventure days. I am not sure though if he kept a note of his experience during those days, but since he is active now, you can ask him. He’s cool and very helpful. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/8 "2017-04-10T23:10:09Z")
Adverse effects naturally comes from trial and error. I agree with Mobo, most of the journals out there points those situations out from time to time. We have all mix or attempts we’ll never try again. To become a jedi, hurt yourself you must. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![snooker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@snooker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snooker)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/9 "2017-04-11T15:34:05Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > Adverse effects naturally comes from trial and error. I agree with Mobo, most of the journals out there points those situations out from time to time. We have all mix or attempts we’ll never try again. To become a jedi, hurt yourself you must. 😃 The problem I seem to be having at the moment is I cant even seem to hurt myself when I try, even if I go with something to try to provoke a negative reaction on purpose. This is why I am considering this instant jerk and scaling up one dose at a time day after day to see if anything happens as at the moment I would be happy with an extreme negative reaction just to see some reaction and work from there ---
**Author:** ![Y2J](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/y2j/32/1994_2.png) [@Y2J](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Y2J)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/10 "2017-04-21T18:49:12Z")
Hi snooker. I’m new here myself, but I wanted to jump in and offer some perspective from a fellow beginner. I’ve only done a few trials with the products that I received in my kit. I’ve used Ammo, IShine, and IH so far. One thing that I would urge you to keep in mind is that you must pay close attention to the subtle changes of the people around you. If you don’t, you’ll grow frustrated and assume that these products aren’t working. It seems you’re already there. The most obvious hit that I’ve had so far was the first time that I tried any of the products and I would have missed it if I hadn’t been paying close attention. The girl that I received the hit from was not my target, but rather a friend of my target, but she locked onto me and talked my leg off for close to two hours. I never even had the opportunity to give my target any attention that night because this girl never broke conversation with me. I would have probably chalked this one up to just general friendliness and not the Ammo, however, I noticed during the conversation that her pupils were dilated the entire time. She wasn’t talking to me because she wanted to “catch up.” She was talking to me because the Ammo had pulled her in. She was feeling an attraction and probably didn’t know why, but she wasn’t about to lose her focus on me that night. Had I not been paying close attention, I would’ve entirely missed the subtle clues she was giving that the Ammo was indeed working. I’ve experienced other small effects from my actual target. Increased friendliness to me and a change in mood when I’m around. If I hadn’t noticed her friend’s dilated pupils from the first trial, I probably wouldn’t have thought much of her subtle changes in mood and behavior either. It isn’t the hit that I’m looking for from her. She hasn’t pulled me into a dark corner and planted a kiss or anything like that, yet, but in the time that I’ve used my products around her I’ve noticed she’s been very pleasant. This has given me enough belief in these products to continue to experiment. Don’t let the fact that you haven’t been groped or drooled over keep you from enjoying what you’re doing here. Have fun experimenting with pheromones, pay close attention, and you will eventually come back here with an awesome story to tell about a hit that’s going to make others envious. Lastly, I want to point out that pheromones are a secret weapon, an ace up the sleeve if you will, but not a magic potion. Your own appearance and behavior play a big role in how effective the products will be. They’ll help you get what you want, but they still require a dedication to your own health and appearance to be effective. I myself could stand to be in better shape and that’s something that I’ve been working at along with trying to zero in on which products work for me and at what dosages. Have fun with this, snooker. Start with one product and one spray and pay close attention to the subtle differences in the people around you. I would even suggest that you start experimenting around people you know, as you’re more familiar with their normal behavior and it will be easier to notice changes in them. This is what I’ve been doing and it has helped build my confidence in these products. The best hit that I’ve received was completely out of character for that girl and I may not have noticed if I hadn’t been so familiar with her normal behavior. Hang in there and keep it fun, man. Stay healthy, look sharp, and you’ll end up back here with a cool story. Hope this has helped. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journals-question/67116/11 "2017-04-21T22:35:58Z")
> [@snooker](#): > > Thanks, I have tried small and medium doses for 9 days as detailed in the log, everyone focuses on the one day where I used too many which I did purposfully just to see what happens when I went over the top as I wasnt seeing anything with the smaller doses. > > What sort of dose/application would you recommend using to see self effects with ishine/314? Recommendations are usually mostly to age and intentions, ie more product for older men and sexuals for sexual situations and socials for social. You’re really going to want to find what works for you. Start low whatever you do. With the instant lines, use one spray and see the effects. Look for subtle clues. Don’t be in a hurry to make mixes and spray loads of stuff. More isn’t always better. Also don’t look for drastic hits. They can come but don’t expect them in the early testing phases. The more you become familiar with your mones the better things will become. With all that being said, I don’t see why 1 drop of A314 and 1 spray IShine won’t suffice to produce effective results.