# Journey to become an Alpha **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [October 15, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040 "2012-10-15T23:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/22 "2012-11-06T09:26:29Z")
**Date:** Tuesday, November 06, 2012 **Pheros:** [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) @2.5mcg **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 **Application Points:** P75=Adams apple rubbed behind ears. **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** Well just my luck the one day I don’t wear chikara or any sexual pheros to the gym there is a blonde there around my age that was a 7. I didn’t really get much of a reaction from her at all maybe a few glances while i wasn’t paying attention. She was on the elliptical for a good 20min and I was on the squat rack. She did however move closer to me and got on the treadmill after the elliptical but again no looks or atleast I didn’t catch her looking but P75 isn’t really about that, I believe its magnetism did come through because every treadmill was open yet she chose the one almost closest to me, one away. Maybe I am just not attractive though! lol As far as effects on other guys I did have every one of them watching me squat at one point, maybe because one of them was doing about 225 struggling on the other rack and I was repping out 500lbs! But I think it was partiality the P75 as well it gave me more of an amplified badass effect. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/23 "2012-11-07T10:52:17Z")
**Date:** Wednesday, November 07, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg, SE Ammo, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75, 1 Spray SE Ammo, 1 Spray IS **Application Points:** P75 =Left of neck rubbed behind ears., SE Ammo=Adams Apple, IS=Right side. **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** Well had some Ammo on from lastnight can’t remember why I was wearing it but usually workout in the mornings (lately around 9am because that’s when I see younger girls and it’s not crowded.) and then shower after I workout. So I decided to add some IS just to buffer down any effects of the risdual NONE if there was any and didn’t want to come off too sexual in the gym tends to make girls uncomfortable in that environment. So I get there and one dirty blonde girl looked 20-23 decently attractive maybe around a 6 or so. As I come within about 3-4 feet of the elliptical she is on she looks over, makes eye contact, and looks away rather quickly. After this I am benching about 7 feet away so out of range for the mones I would say but in the mirror I notice her glance in my direct every once and a while. She gets off the elliptical and starts going around to machines, going on the leg machines in order slowly inching closer to where I moved to. At this point the machines she is on is blocking her from directly looking at me and my back was too her but there was a mirror about 5 feet away from me while I was doing cable flyes and I could see her looking into the mirror to her left look at me, this pretty much went on until she left. I don’t really like wearing Ammo in the gym, though I do get small hits they seem uncomfortable about how they are feeling around me, like when I see a cute girl in the gym its fine no big deal, but if I were to get slightly aroused by her or turned on I would get uncomfortable and I think that may be what the Ammo is doing, now I never initiate conversation because I suck at cold approaching but I am hoping to try this mix with some added P74, P83, and maybe TUTH instead of Ammo when I get a little extra cash to place another order. Reasoning P74 I have heard helps melt away fear and make it easier to initiate conversation, and we all know what the P83/TUTH mix does. My way of initiating kino at this point would be to help her with her workouts and light touches when spotting her etc. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/24 "2012-11-07T20:44:10Z")
**Date:** Wednesday, November 07, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg, Chikara , [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 , 1 Chikara , 2 Sprays IS **Application Points:** P75 =Chest Chikara=Adams Apple, IS=Right side and left side **Environment:** The Mall **Overview:** I showered and had washed the mones off from the gym this morning, parents were coming up because I had to get some clothes for my new job and my mom insisted on helping me. I wore Chikara instead of my SE Ammo because I only have a togo of ammo and a 15ml of Chikara. Used the IS was used as usual to buffer down the NONE and for it’s effects and P75 again still testing with this. Good results thanks to my little sister! We had got all my clothes and as we were about to leave the mall she wanted to go to Journey and look at some shoes, we get in there and one of the guys working is chatting with a friend, we go to pay and suddenly a girl around my age 21-24 comes out of the back, I am leaning against the counter next to my mom and she sits in a chair directly in front of me and starts talking to me outta no where with a huge smile on her face the whole time. I just got a job in the GNC right next to that store so we talked about that and she asks me if I worked out, of course my typical smart ass response was Nope not at all. The look on her face was priceless and she says “wait are you serious??” of course my mom cuts in and says yes he does all the time. But she proceeds to ask me more questions (I am actually not even being very nice, kind of watching the tv while she is talking to me making only slight eye contact but it didn’t seem to phase her she just kept on talking.) She notices my mom has finished paying and is getting her stuff and says “well maybe ill see you around” with a huge smile as we leave. This girl was maybe a 4, super cool though so that does help but I probably would have been much more engaged if I wouldn’t have been with my mom and especially if she was more of a 6-10. Nothing much happened after that, we went to Wendy’s to eat quickly and the girl about 18-20 behind the counter was kind of DIHL and continued to look at me super wide eyed even when we sat down to eat so that was decent but she wasn’t attractive. Due to my experiences so far I would have to say that I like Chikara better than Ammo, but I have had much less chances to test Ammo and never seem to actually be in these kind of situations when wearing it but price wise I get twice as much as Ammo for half the price of Chikara so I really need to get out and do more testing with my Togos. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/25 "2012-11-08T16:45:20Z")
**Date:** Thursday, November 07, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg, Chikara , [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x, IH 2x **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 , 1 Chikara , 2 Sprays IS **Application Points:** P75 =Chest Chikara=Adams Apple, IS=Right side and left side and IH 2x back of neck **Environment:** The Mall (GNC) **Overview:** So today was my first day at GNC in our mall(fairly small) and was there for about 8 hours worth of training. Well as you would expect not a lot of girls come in unless they are older. Got a lot of attention from the older ones though 40s-70’s, super happy smiling at my a lot of eye contact etc. My manager was actually super nice, a lot more open about things (I expect from the IS). A couple guys seemed to give me the cool guy alpha status, she was attempting to sell to a guy who was getting back into working out, he kind of cuts my manager off looks at me and says “what do you take?” which was cool, granted my size helps but he gave me that alpha status. Had one lady come in (married upper 20’s low 30’s maybe.) keeps glancing at me once in range(manager knew her super well) laughing talking to the manager but just kept looking over at me and when she left and says bye she looks directly at me as she says it and waves, then about 20min later she came back into the store just to ask one question and same thing happens and again looks directly at me when she says bye and waves, so a decent hit from her Other than that not much else seemed to happen, no girls around my age came in so I think I will leave the none out of the mix in the future (will do one more test day with this exact same mix tomorrow) but I plan on placing a big order for p83@15mcg, p74@15mcg, and a togo of TUTH but now I think I will at some IG to that and wear a P75, P74, IS, and IG mix to work just to help build rapport with customers and come off as having a higher social status. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/26 "2012-11-09T16:30:09Z")
**Date:** Friday, November 08, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg, Chikara , [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x, IH 2x **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 , 1 Chikara , 2 Sprays IS, 1 Spray IH **Application Points:** P75 =Chest Chikara=Collar (Nozzle was pointing the wrong way, reminded me of Jim Carrey from dumb and dumber), IS=Right side and left side and IH 2x back of neck **Environment:** The Mall (GNC) \*\*Overview:\*\*So as I said I wore the same mix and again no girls around my age came in but I did have about 4 ladies between 30-40 that came in. Results with them seemed to be fairly good IMO, They would be looking at something and I would walk up and ask them if they needed any help. The reaction was as such: They look over, huge smile comes on their face, and they get super wide eyed. It was the same for all for and I talked to them a little bit but from the point of contact/phero range and greeting them they were all smiles until they left. Some of them were good looking for their age but again out of my age range so I didn’t wasn’t going to talk to them a lot. Game plan for later is go back in to the mall, I will use rubbing alcohol to get rid of any mones I did have on and do a IS, Mx297, P75, and chikara mix and see how that one goes, just conserving my SE Ammo at this point. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/27 "2012-11-10T07:42:48Z")
Just wanted to subscribe to your journal, it’s good and consistent, keep it up! ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/28 "2012-11-10T12:13:56Z")
**Date:** Saturday, November 10, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg, Chikara , [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 , 1 Chikara , 2 Sprays IS **Application Points:** P75 =Chest Chikara=Adams Apple, IS=Right side and left side **Environment:** The Mall(GNC) **Overview:** Didn’t make it back to the mall lastnight for further testing because I fell asleep but wore the exact same mix again today(3 days of testing…although testing grounds aren’t the best). So first thing was what I am going to call a residual hit, the girl I talked to in the store that works right beside me actually came into GNC today (I was talking to my mom about when i was training and I think she over heard) but she did actually buy something, I’m not really sure if she did it just so it wasn’t obvious or if she actually needed it. She of course asked where she could find it and I think was disappointed that my co-worker helped her find it instead of me. She came to the cash register and was talking to me a little bit just asking how I liked it and stuff like that, then I scan what she gets and she says oh I think I grabbed the wrong thing sorry, so she runs and grabs the other and of course I had to void it out etc so really I think it was just a way for her to stall because it looked like she just gabbed a smaller bottle of the same stuff and then smiled and said by after we were finished. **Hit #1:** She wasn’t quite as upbeat as Wed night. though a little more quite not smiling as much etc and it might have been because she of what she was buying which is Niacin which a lot of younger people around my age seem to think will flush their system(usually when drugs are involved) so that could have been it or since I was working and there were other customers it could have been that as well. \*\*Hit #2:\*\*Couple of asian girls came in, around my age and were kind of wandering around the store giggling while I was checking expiration dates on products, I heard this and decided I would go talk to them and see if they needed help, again typical hit I have been getting from this mix, eyes widen and a huge smile appears on their face but kind of shy when she was talking. Then after I had helped her and she was going to walk away her friend cuts in to ask a question so that she doesn’t leave. I rang them up and again just smiling the whole time, could tell she wanted to talk to me but was shy. **Hit number 3:** was a guy and what looked like his 2 younger sisters he was about my age and they were twins (or looked like it) that were around 17. I approach ask him if he needs any help and I am talking to him but they hadn’t noticed yet, one turns around and her eyes get wide and huge smile says just ask this guy he is huge, then her giggled and I heard her proceed to tell her sister what she had just done, which made me laugh. Other than that pretty much the same old hits from girls in their mid 30’s ( just seemed a lot more comfortable with that amount of None in that situation.) One of them being a mom looking for some creatine for her son and had a huge smile as i walked up and started talking to her and kept asking more and more questions about what I preferred ect and then looked sad when I went and was helping another guy when it was time for her to pay. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/29 "2012-11-10T15:00:37Z")
**Date:** Saturday, November 10, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg, Chikara , [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x, P102@5mcg **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 , 1 Chikara , 2 Sprays IS, 1 Spray P102 **Application Points:** P75 =Chest Chikara=Adams Apple, IS=Right side and left side, and P102=Shirt/Chest(wearing tank in the gym so hit both bare chest and shirt) **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** Well didn’t re-apply anything from earlier except a little bit of shine from my old 2x togo which was pretty much empty and then added the P102 for the focus. I saw the blonde that was around my age again in the gym and a brunette that I have never seen in there before. I was getting tons of glances and eye contact from both of them the whole time they were there. The blond would look at me and we would make eye contact and then a few minutes later she would walk directly behind me rather than going the shorter way and then back going directly behind me. Lot’s of eye contact from her more than last time forsure and to be honest I think it’s because I applied the Chikara at about 9:30am and worked out around 3pm so enough of the None had diffused off to be the perfect dosage and the buffering from the IS and P102. Really wanted to talk to her but we both had headphones in and I could tell she was really wanting me to but maybe next time I will. Now the brunette was very similar to what the blonde did only again I was benching she was behind me on the elliptical and moved to the treadmill right next to me about 10 min after she noticed me on the bench. And when I moved about 6 feet away to do cable flyes at one point while she was on the treadmill she was taking some 1 min breaks where she would just put her feet on the sides and continue to watch the TV on it but like I said at one point during this time she looked behind her, made eyecontact and smiled. Really good hits today and I would give them both 8’s and I am really wanting to do a mix of P75 and P74 but need to get the P74 first, maybe even add some P83 but I think I will build rapport and actually talk to the blonde first. I’m not sure what it is maybe my new job and having to approach people all day but I usually keep to myself in the gym but randomly decided to approach another guy lifting and start talking about stuff while we were both in between sets, talked to the guy for about 10min or so and I usually too shy to do this. It could be the effects of the P75 after enough usage and I was heating up from lifting so increased diffusion of the mones probably helped all of my hits and this. Over all good day and will be going back to the mall later tonight so will see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/30 "2012-11-13T22:56:09Z")
Finally got my new order placed! Just got P74@15mcg, P83@15mcg, IO togo, and TUTH togo. So that will be added to my current arsenal of [P75@2.5mcg](mailto:P75@2.5mcg), Ammo togo, IS 2x togo, SE Ammo togo, [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/), IH 2x, togo, P102@5mcg(5ml), Erox, and Chikara from LS. Ready to try a new mix with my new products when they arrive. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/31 "2012-11-15T07:37:23Z")
**Date:** Wednesday, November 15, 2012 **Pheros:** [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/)@2.5mcg , P102@5mcg **Dosage:** 2 Sprays P102 , 1 Spray P75 **Application Points:** P75 =Adams Apple (rubbed behind ears), P102 = Left side of neck and Right Side of neck **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** Didn’t show before going to the gym so could have had some None residue but I applied it at 3PM the day before and lifted around 5:30am so if there was any left it was a very very small amount. Not really any hot girls in there again, one fairly attractive blonde\*\*(A)\*\* probably upper 20’s but she was in there with her SO which I didn’t even know until they left together and an another blonde\*\*(B)\*\* in her 30’s. \*\*(B)\*\*Didn’t really get a big reaction from her as I feel I was out of range, she was on the bike that is fairly close to the door as I walked in and she did smile at me as I got close but that was all from her. **(A)** So I saw her while she was on the leg machine but she was too focused on what she was doing and I wasn’t really in range. After she is done she went to get a drink of water(which I didn’t know) and I went to do the same and almost ran into her as she came around the corner. She sees me her eyes widen she stopped dead for a second as I walked around her no smile just a slight very quick DIHL reaction but from that point on the P75 magnetism seemed to kick in. She gets on the ellptical close to where I am working out and notice a few glances from her. So I move the squat rack area to do my rows and I again notice that she is glancing at me(behind me and to my left about 6 feet away). Within 5-8 min of me moving to the rack she moves to the Treadmill that is about 2-3 feet away if that directly beside me. Again every other treadmill was open and her SO was on the bike directly by one of them but on the other end of the room from the one she was on so a good 10 feet away. Funny thing about this was I only noticed her look at her SO once the whole time they were working out until they left. Funny thing was at one point we were doing the same lift fairly close to eachother, him directly to her right about 6 feet away and me infront of her and a bit to her right 6 feet away. Difference being she glanced at him doing about maaybe 225 and then at me being a dick(not intentionally just not holding back) repping out 405 and that kept her attention for while. Pretty good gym day but I still have to go back today so maybe if I am lucky I will see some younger girls in there. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 11:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/32 "2012-11-15T11:10:27Z")
When you’re working out you are already producing a higher than outside signature of mones in your sweat, more than likely enone and the likes. With that said there are two trains of thought on the matter. 1: Everyone else in the gym is also producing mones in higher than normal amounts and therefore you are simply upping the advantage again on your competition. 2: By overusing sexual and alpha mones in a gym type setting you come across as an aggressive guy and therefore most people, including women, will give you clear distance. Even though a lot of women go to the gym dressed provocatively and looking to get hit on, they don’t want to believe that’s why they’re going. So at the gym they act aloof. Always remember a woman wants to feel if it just happened as if she was swept off her feet. The reason I bring up numero 2 is that you might be coming across as overtly sexual, as if you are there to just pick up chicks. Might be working against you 😉. On the other hand I like to wear A314 to the gym because I go to workout and want that focus and drive towards success that A314 gives me. I actually get quite a bit of attention from it to. I believe it might actually be from my lack of acknowledgement of anyone other than a head nod. It blows the minds of all the women in yoga pants why I’m not ogling at them or talking to them like every single guy in the place. I actually hate it when two guys are standing around talking to a girl while she sits at the station I need to work out at. LOL, I throw in some type of semi-sarcastic, are you guys going to workout or ask her out already. I’ve gotten more women trying to get my attention by completely ignoring them. Socials and A314 is my golden combo for the gym. You should give it a go, but this is all friendly personal observations from my experiences 🙂. Besides now I’m subscribed to your journal ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/33 "2012-11-15T11:27:04Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > When you’re working out you are already producing a higher than outside signature of mones in your sweat, more than likely enone and the likes. With that said there are two trains of thought on the matter. > > 1: Everyone else in the gym is also producing mones in higher than normal amounts and therefore you are simply upping the advantage again on your competition. > 2: By overusing sexual and alpha mones in a gym type setting you come across as an aggressive guy and therefore most people, including women, will give you clear distance. Even though a lot of women go to the gym dressed provocatively and looking to get hit on, they don’t want to believe that’s why they’re going. So at the gym they act aloof. Always remember a woman wants to feel if it just happened as if she was swept off her feet. > > The reason I bring up numero 2 is that you might be coming across as overtly sexual, as if you are there to just pick up chicks. Might be working against you 😉. > > On the other hand I like to wear A314 to the gym because I go to workout and want that focus and drive towards success that A314 gives me. I actually get quite a bit of attention from it to. I believe it might actually be from my lack of acknowledgement of anyone other than a head nod. It blows the minds of all the women in yoga pants why I’m not ogling at them or talking to them like every single guy in the place. I actually hate it when two guys are standing around talking to a girl while she sits at the station I need to work out at. LOL, I throw in some type of semi-sarcastic, are you guys going to workout or ask her out already. > > I’ve gotten more women trying to get my attention by completely ignoring them. Socials and A314 is my golden combo for the gym. You should give it a go, but this is all friendly personal observations from my experiences 🙂. Besides now I’m subscribed to your journal Hm I don’t have any A314 and almost bought IG in a togo with my order I just placed but I got a few different things and it ended up costing a decent amount so I didn’t!! What would you recommend I wear to the gym, let me give you my load out. P83-IO is on my current order placed a couple of days ago so it will be a bit before I have those. [P75@2.5mcg](mailto:P75@2.5mcg) Instant Shine togo 2x Ammo and SE Ammo togo Instant Honesty togo 2x Mx297(1 maybe 2 sprays left) P102 5mcg togo P83@15mcg P74@15mcg Turn Up the [Heat@2.5mcg](mailto:Heat@2.5mcg) togo [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) togo Erox Now I have had a few girls that look like they are dieing for me to talk to them and walk by repeatedly when wearing Chikara, P75, 2 shots of IS, P102, and IH but I can’t just approach a girl. My next plan was to eliminate the Chikara and just do 1 Spray P75, 1-2 Sprays P74, IO, and Shine. I’m open to any suggestions though. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/34 "2012-11-17T19:03:10Z")
**Date:** Friday, November 17, 2012 **Pheros:** P102 @5mcg **Dosage:** 2 Sprays P102 **Application Points:** P102 = Left side of neck and Right Side of neck **Environment:** Thanksgiving dinner with dad’s side of family **Overview:** Well I didn’t really observe anything out of the ordinary from the people I was in contact with. As far as self effects these are the same as they have always been from P102, about 2-5min after I applied them is when suddenly everything becomes brighter, I am completely focused, all my senses seem to be improved. One thing that I have noticed when wearing P102 is that afterwards I can remember in pretty good detail about what someone was wearing, conversations, etc. Just little details that I normally wouldn’t pay any attention to and with P102 am not consciously trying to pay attention or do this by my mind seems to soak it up. Same with the last time I wore it while working, guy comes in buys some mass gainer never met him had and then comes in about 2 weeks later and I can remember exactly what he bought, his goals, and where he was having trouble in his workouts. So I would say definitely a good putative to add on a first date with a girl, what could be more attractive than a guy who remembers what the girls was wearing, every conversation they had, and all the little details from a first date? Not many so definitely good to try out. ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/35 "2012-11-18T12:23:19Z")
Good journal. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/36 "2012-11-19T11:56:39Z")
**Date:** Monday, November 19, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg , P74@15mcg, IO, IS 2x, and IH 2x **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75, half a spray of P74(new bottle), 1 Spray IO, Half a spray of IH2x(attempted half a spray), and 2 sprays IS2x **Application Points:** P75 =Left of Neck (rubbed behind ears), P74 =Right Side of neck, IO=Adam’s apple, IH=Adams apple, IS=1 spray hair and 1 inside of elbow. **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** There was only one girl in there today, around my age about 18-22 super skinny and pretty attractive. I did seem to get a lot of glances from her even when I was half way across the gym she would look for me but she seems like they super shy type so that doesn’t help. I could tell she wanted to talk to me but was kind of stopping herself but would walk by me multiple times. I was getting ready to leave and was going to tell her to show me her ab workout sometime just to initiate conversation since she had just finished up with abs(so did I) but as she walked close to me to get her stuff, within 3 feet she kept her head down the whole time which is something I used to do so I know it was shyness due to her finding me attractive(or I assume since that’s why I used to do it). I walked out before her and as she came out again she glanced across the parking lot to look at me, but when ever I would look at her back she would look away or look at the ground so maybe I will try 2 sprays of P74 next time and 2 sprays of IO to my one spray of IH. Hoping after repeated exposure she will open up and give me a chance to open her. As far as self effects go I felt good and had no fear of approaching her which I would say is the P74 and IO. I would have asked her like I said but she kept her head down and didn’t make eye contact when we were close. Game plan for later is since I have to work a split shift tomorrow I will go back to the gym later today and walmart before hand to get some new headphones and will try this mix. P75 1 spray, P74 2 Sprays, 1 spray IO, 1 spray chikara, 1 spray P83@15mcg, and reapply IS. Assuming I will have to up the dosage of P83 but always like to start out with one spray. Will update how it goes. **------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------** **Update** **------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------** Ok so I did the mix I stated I was going to try but just to clairfy and make this quick I will re-list what I wore to my second gym trip. 1 Spray Chikara 1 Spray [P75@2.5mcg](mailto:P75@2.5mcg) 1.5 Sprays P74@15mcg(half ass sprayed the on accident.) .5 Spray P83@15mcg(new bottle spray) 1 Spray IO Went back to the gym and there were about 2 girls there and again about the same reaction. A lot of glances from them and on of them would watch me do my sets but neither of these girls were very attractive. I do have a new game plan however and am taking Steve’s great advice and applying it for a minimum of 2 weeks of testing. I am going to start just wearing 30mcg of P74, 2.5mcg of P75, IS of course, and 1-2 sprays IO, this will be my start out unless I know the girl already, this is mainly to get some talking going and to open them, then after rapport the plan is to ask them to be my workout buddy or when they are going to be there next to show me their workout, something along those lines so I can see them again casually with no pressure to them or me. Then I will apply the base mix and add P83 and TUTH. I will of course do it in a stage the second time we meet not the first, use the P75, P74, IO, IS combo just to get them comfortable with me again then apply the P83 and TUTH escalating from there. I am open to suggestions as well as what I should try to best pickup girls in the gym, mall or other areas where they aren’t specifically going to get hit on or meet guys. Whole arsenal is a couple posts above. I will only be doing this mix for about 2 weeks like this because I got a togo of [Molecule C](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/)(TAC)@5mcg and will be solo testing that as I have no clue what it does, I could read up on it but that will ruin the fun 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 11:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/37 "2012-11-20T11:09:29Z")
**Date:** Tuesday, November 20, 2012 **Pheros:** P75 @2.5mcg , [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) @30mcg, IO , IS 2x, **Dosage:** 1 Spray P75 , 2 Sprays P74, 1 Spray IO , 2 sprays IS2x **Application Points:** P75 =Adam’s Apple, P74=Left and Right side of neck, IS=Wrist and hair, IO=Jawline. **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** Well there weren’t any girls in there today so I was a little disappointed about that but I still did see the magic of this mix anyway. So first thing that happened was around 20-30min into my workout maybe a little bit more and a guy in mid 20’s that I have seen there many times before who seems super shy, always waiting for me to finish using something he needs without saying anything. This time he actually approached me and asked if I was using the bar(I was curling in the squat rack because some guy was in my way) so I told him I could move, his face lit up like a little kid and said “Yea that would be awesome thanks!”. My break down of the above is that the whole mix really was working on this one, the P74 and P75 to build rapport and it seems with guys respect which I will give to the P75 as I seem to get respect but they are intimated by me as well. Then the IO just added to the rapport and helped him actually open up and talk. The second one was with the manager of the place who I have talked to before but usually just about adding on to something or buying a t-shirt, headphones, stuff like that but I am always initiating the conversation. This time was different however, near the end of my workout, about an hour and a half in he walks past me to go do something and within 5 min comes over to me and snaps his fingers to get my attention since I had headphones in. He starts asking me if we had any deals going on at GNC as he needed some fish oil etc and we started talking for awhile. Break down on this is again the whole mix with each molecule playing its part. P74 gave me that friendly rapport building vibe but still was masculine and alpha from the P75. Then adding to that with the IO it made me seem more approachable and open than I usually am in the gym. He isn’t a shy guy or anything but this whole mix made me seem approachable and open to chat but still with an alpha and respect vibe coming off without the intimidation factor. Good mix I will be trying this one again at work tonight and update on how it goes. **------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------** **Update** **------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------** So wore the exact same mix to work and we weren’t busy at all today, 1 customer within the 4 hours I was there so terrible testing day. Although I did notice that my manager was very talkative today which isn’t normally like her. She was also very beta and submissive pretty much agreeing with everything I said letting me take charge so that was cool and I’m not really sure what molecule caused this effect if any, my best guess would have to be P74’s friendly vibe with the alpha/cool guy vibe I seem to get from the P75 will have to do some more looking into this effect later on when testing is better. Plan for tomorrow is going to work for an hour at most just to get opening down so I will probably stay clean since by the time we open is when I will be heading out. I’m thinking of doing 1 spray 2x IH and 2 sprays of IO1x when I go to the gym to see if it really is the come talk to me effect and will save the mix I used today for when I know there are actually going to be girls around, I will of course take my TUTH and P83 in my bag just incase I do end up talking to one of the girls and feel I can escalate it in that setting but doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 10:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/38 "2012-11-21T10:08:36Z")
**Date:** Wed, November 21, 2012 **Pheros:** SE Ammo, IH2x IO , IS 2x, **Dosage:** 1 Spray IS, 1 Spray IH2x, 1 Spray SE Ammo, 2 sprays IO **Application Points:** IS=Hair and Wrist, IH=Left of Neck, SE Ammo=Upper Chest, IO=Left and Right Side of Neck **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** So did this mix because I was testing out the CTTM effect of a 50/50 ratio of IH and IO. Threw in the SE Ammo because it seems to be even more social than regular Ammo but to my disappointment only 1 girl was in there. I did notice her glance over at me a few times and would look away as I made eye contact but she looked a bit older than me maybe around 27 not very attractive either so that sucked. However I did love the self effects from this, super confident, felt really good and didn’t really have any problem approaching people if there would have been more girls in there. Will be doing another mix after I shower since I have to go help a co-worker who is older take down a table at GNC and then I am doubling up on workouts today so I don’t have to workout tomorrow. Mix will be like so. [P75@2.5mcg](mailto:P75@2.5mcg), P74@30mcg, SE Ammo 1 spray. Will update on the results. (I know I am not sticking to my game plan but I will take out the SE Ammo after today and get back on track!! ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/39 "2012-11-23T13:37:47Z")
**Date:** Friday, November 23, 2012 **Pheros:** [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)@15mcg, [P75@2.25mcg](mailto:P75@2.25mcg), and IS 2x. **Dosage:** 2 Sprays P74, 1 Spray P75, and 2 Sprays IS **Application Points:** P74=Left and right side of neck, P75= Adams Apple, IS= Wrists and Inside of Elbows **Environment:** GNC **Overview:** Well had to work from 12 a.m. to 8 a.m. for black Friday and as you can imagine not very many people come to GNC on black Friday! I did have a few people come in however that I got some good reactions from. One was a lady(complete Milf) with black hair and blue eyes super cute came in with her daughter and was chatting me up asking me questions the whole time she was in there, saying she was tired and hungry so she had to come in to get some stuff for energy. Seemed really happy just to be around me, a lot of smiles but as always when I am in the moment I tend to forget to check for IOI’s such as pupil dilation etc. Funny thing about her though is that she initiated conversation saying she was looking for a pre-workout so I over by her and that’s when she got a wiff of the mones and from that point just got chatty as hell, didn’t even buy the pre-workout but rather than leaving decided to hover close to the counter “looking around” with a huge smile the whole time. The above was the only attract lady who came in that I talked to but after he a bunch of Indian guys I believe came in and just kept asking me questions chatting me up taking all my advice to heart, as in whenever I was telling him something he didn’t break eyecontact and was completely focused and listening to every word. Then a guy comes in and buys some stuff but when he gets to the register and in range to smell the mones he just starts talking, asking me my name etc (older guy) and stays to talk to me for about 30min after that then thanks me and leaves, but about 4 hours later comes back in just to chat with me and again stays for another 30min or so then leaves. As I am leaving work I see him and he glances and happens to see me and stops in the middle of people walking that almost run into him because they were talking and makes sure to say bye to me and that it was nice meeting me etc. After this 2 of the radioshack workers come in and start chatting me up and talked to me for a good 10-20min one talking about supplements with me and asking me some questions and stuff like that but the funny thing was one of them is walking but with another radioshack worker and looks in and says “Oh he is still working lets go see how it’s going” Other guy asks “Why?” and he responds “Because I happen to find him awesome that’s why” as they are walking in and the we all start joking about him being in love with me but the funny thing was this wasn’t even the guy I talked to the first time, he was with the other guy but didn’t say much to him. So pretty much the same very consistent effects for everyone who came in. Like Ghost said it seems as if it would be great for opening and building rapport for later escalation and actually if worn by a person who already comes off as an alpha and who can work the mix you seem to be tony stark, people acted thrilled to meet me and talk to me which never happens. Funny thing was though the girls 4 of them that work across the hall in Vanity never got in range but a blonde one and a red head(not a fan of red heads but she was super cute) would stand right in the door way “talking to one another” but would look over at smile constantly and even at points they would be by themselves standing in the door way and rather than just looking over would just stand and stare over at me smiling. At one point they were all looking over at me with smiles so if they wouldn’t have left before me I could have went over there and worked some magic with this mix. They never even got a chance to get a wiff of the mones so I wish I could have seen what they would have done if they had. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/40 "2012-11-23T17:14:31Z")
**Date:** Friday, November 23, 2012 \*\*Pheros:\*\*IO, IH2x, Mx297 **Dosage:** 2 Sprays IO, 1 Spray IH, and 1.5-2 Sprays Mx297 **Application Points:** IO=Left and right side of neck, IH= Left Side of neck, Mx297= Adams Apple **Environment:** The Gym **Overview:** So not really a good testing environment but since darkclaw had in his journal about mx297 I decided to use some of the little bit I had left to do a quick test run for him. Not really many people there ended up being an Asian kid, a blonde late 20’s early 30’s, and an older late 40s-50s bitchy lady. I have headphones in and out of no where the Asian kid approaches me to ask me a question, this never happens he was a small kid so I assume the IO IH mix had the CTTM effect and the Mx297 helped as well. He seemed to linger on every word I said when I was talking to him, super friendly and excited that I was helping him out, not quite the super star effect I had earlier today but around the ladies with some NONE I could do some work with this mix and even with out the NONE for the asian girls it would probably hit hard if worn correctly. Had the older lady snap at me because I had just got done using the bar and went to get a drink before taking the plates off and she asks me if I was done, I said yes and she snorts and in a really bitchy tone says “well are you going to take these weights off!” I didn’t snap back I said yea of course and just continued to my bag to get my water bottle and then took them off. She was just one of those women who thinks she is better and more highclass than everyone else sadly I probably make as much Money as her and her SO combined in a week with one 4 hour photoshoot but o’well I guess. The other girl in there was decent looking but I didn’t really notice her look at me or say anything, couldn’t really tell to be honest. I did notice her do some quick glances my way but that was it and only a few times. This mix would be better utilized in a party scene or even the mall/school it would play well if worn correctly. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040/41 "2012-11-26T20:52:58Z")
**Date:** Monday, November 26, 2012 **Pheros:** P83@15mcg, IS 2x **Dosage:** 2 Sprays P83, 2 Sprays IS **Application Points:** P83=Right and Left of neck, IS=Adams apple, wrists. **Environment:** College Gym **Overview:** Came back to my home town for a few days and was lifting with my friend at the college gym where he goes to school. He was telling me about some Megan girl that he is friends with and he showed her some pictures of me a while back and had to tell her I was a model etc, so she mentions her cousin does some underwear modeling and I was way more ripped than he was so asks him for my contact information. Of course he doesn’t give it to her and thinks she is kidding but she ends up working out with us today. Me and her didn’t talk at all because we had never met eachother. I’m not sure if she like me either, I did notice her looking at me a lot and she seemed a little bit shy but then again so am I and with my friends around I actually have more trouble talking to girls/people I don’t know. As far as the P83 goes I did find my self talking about stuff I normally wouldn’t in public and just really not caring about stuff as much. Was my first test run with it though so will have to do some more testing in better environments before I start making assumptions. The girl wasn’t really in range enough for them to take effect either. Tomorrow I am lifting with him and her again so I will be doing a P74@15mcg 2sprays and [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/)@2.5 mcg 1 spray mix. Maybe throw in some P102 but not sure on that one. I am hoping she will talk to me and something can happen because she is super nice and really cute! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/journey-to-become-an-alpha/57040.md?page=3)