# just a thought on OD-ing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 24, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427 "2009-02-24T05:30:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dazed78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dazed78](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dazed78)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/1 "2009-02-24T05:30:49Z")
From what i’ve been reading… using to much pheros will cause you to OD and bring on the ghosting effect. Say you didn’t use too much but were in a room with other people using pheros of the same kind. What would happen? Anyone else had that experience? ---
**Author:** ![KatieA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katiea/32/1225_2.png) [@KatieA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KatieA)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/2 "2009-02-24T05:35:59Z")
That’s a nice little thought there, god I love this forum. I think it’d definitely add to the pheros, right? 'Cause say if you are wearing, like, 40 mcgs TUTH and two other guys in your hangout group are wearing 40 mcgs then I think it’d be the same as ODing even though they are on separate people. Since you are all in the same place and all, I don’t know, usually it has effect on other guys and gals. I wish I were more experienced. =/ ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/3 "2009-02-24T06:25:21Z")
Interesting thought. I’m not sure there’s a lot of data on that. Maybe some of the guys here have tried anone in groups, but most try it individually. People seem pretty good at localizing where a smell is coming from most of the time. Our minds have a lot of sorting ability that goes on unconsciously. I would bet that there might be an additive effect, but that it would be quite small. Especially if either the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) wearer or the smeller were moving around, which helps in the localization of smells. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/4 "2009-02-24T06:30:23Z")
i dont consider only ghosting an OD. i personally think its an OD if you get bad reactions, simply because if it were your “_sweet spot_” it would um be _sweet_ 😉 an OD can be when you cause others irritation and headaches; an OD can be when you cause yourself or others around you burn-out. dazed78- i used to go out often with a partner in phero-crime (Tommy Fever) we would purposely continue to “up” a new putatives dose when we went out to discover its threshold. we did this last to [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) when it first came out. he wore a reasonable amount and so did i. we sat by eachother at bars and noted reactions/hits. at one point we each wore around 60+mcg of P74 and people on the forum would say “hey i wore that without issue” and i had to explain _together_, we were a cloud of 120+mcg. we did infact OD. we were irritated and full of anxiety by the end of the night, and needed a good couple of hours to relax and regroup. now you wonder what wearing pheros with others wearing pheros in the same room would be like… honestly, if they were all wearing reasonable amounts i think it would be _fun as hell_ and without issue, unless a few got silly with it and OD’d on purpose. then there would be either ghosting and/or irritation. this is my take on it, going on my experiences. ---
**Author:** ![KatieA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katiea/32/1225_2.png) [@KatieA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KatieA)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/5 "2009-02-24T06:32:20Z")
Does anyone know how much TUTH it takes to OD? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/6 "2009-02-24T06:36:28Z")
> [@KatieA](#): > > Does anyone know how much TUTH it takes to OD? its individual. i OD’d on one spray at 5mcg. someone else could handle more,others less. its for this reason the older users here tell everyone to start out reasonably low, as to not irritate others (you want to be attractive,not repulsive) until you find an amount that causes the most _positive_ (cant stress THAT word enough) reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/7 "2009-02-24T06:47:43Z")
i just want to thank you for bringing this topic up. alot of people think they can spray so many mixes and not call it an OD when others around them are miserable. sure, people can just be having a bad day. pheros arent going to turn someone into somebody they totally arent; but if a user is saying “i have no idea what got into them, this is _so_ not like them” then odds are _in favor,_ although not definitive, of an OD. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/8 "2009-02-24T20:54:04Z")
> [@KatieA](#): > > Does anyone know how much TUTH it takes to OD? For the ladies, from what I’ve read, more than one spray is too much… sometimes even one is too much. I don’t think OD on 'none normally means ghosting for the ladies… I think it generally causes none rage. For guys the amount required to cause none rage is oftentimes less then what causes them to ghost (although some people are exceptions to that rule) ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/9 "2009-03-17T02:25:21Z")
> [@dazed78](#): > > From what i’ve been reading… using to much pheros will cause you to OD and bring on the ghosting effect. Say you didn’t use too much but were in a room with other people using pheros of the same kind. What would happen? Anyone else had that experience? Recently a friend of mine and I happened to be both wearing [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (4.5 on him, 2 sprays on me), on the same day and while sitting and talking about 2 feet away from each other we both started to become really really happy… to such a point were we would be laughing very loudly, for no reason, for 5-10 minutes at a time! It was pretty much euphoric. So, we will be randomly testing other pheromones, not tell each other if we are wearing any, and record the results later on 😃. That should produce some interesting results. By the way, as soon as another friend of ours, who doesn’t know about pheromones, walked over to the two of us after about 15 seconds he became very happy and started acting _ **really** _ out of character. So, it will definitely amplify the effects, as for the possibility of ghosting I will let you know when we test some of the -none based products, were the occurrence/possibility of ghosting is more plausible.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2009, 9:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-a-thought-on-od-ing/26427/10 "2009-03-17T09:25:11Z")
Actually from what I have been told… In mones OD is a reaction you get from others when you use mones “Opposite of desired” effect. Ghosting, agitation or no effect at all. Side effect is the reaction you get from a product. So if you have a undesirable effect like head ache or nervousness its a side effect. It has more to do with your own personality and chemical makeup with the mones. I think they consider it this way because many people misunderstand the word OD. It has drug connotations and is misleading and scares new members and with the AMMO retail launch coming. Well investors don’t like the word OD. I have been out with groups where we all wore mones with no adverse effects. P83, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) P79 and pretty much all the consumer products each tested by us as stand alones without the use of other mones. We all were testing the same product. In total all of us combined were wearing dosages as high as 500 mcg . What happens is nothing. There is to much signaling and people turn it off. Couple headaches that was scent related. In our testing we found that P83 on me was totally different then P83 on the other individuals with me. Similar signals, similar effects but our natural chemistry made it our own and OD or side effects were not seen. The difference was more vast between the male users and the female users. Now with high amounts worn you can become misrable but its is much much harder for those around to get that same adverse effect unless they are spending a prolonged amount of time around you and are constantly inhaling it like you are. Wearing it and having side effects is vastly different then the signals and effects the molecules can provoke in others. This is something I know Androtics looks at as they prepare to release AMMO retail. So keep in mind… Even if 3 men walk into a bar wearing AMMO the signal is not the same. The mones will mesh with your own natural chemistry to make something that is uniquely you. > [@](#): > > Does anyone know how much TUTH it takes to OD? Women can begin getting adverse side effects such as irritability and feelings of unease from Anone with as little as 1.5 mcg. This is with the women wearing it. TUTH has 2.5 per spray. Men can use more with out causing this effect in the women around them. As I mentioned above, Its because the mones mesh with our natural chemistry. Its normal for men to have higher amounts of anone but not for women. It cant mesh. So Katie when you use TUTH remember more is not better for you. Tisha