# just cant understand skeptics.

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252>\
**Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [August 25, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252 "2007-08-25T18:32:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/1 "2007-08-25T18:32:02Z")

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as i have mentioned to a few before,

i took an extensive break with the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and im trying to gradually back into a schedule ( 😃 )

i just wanted to mention that my first days getting back into it, i only wore instant sexiness and SoE/women and my results were instantaneous.

of course i figured the first day i was looking for evidence, so i used them again 2 days later and got the very same reaction.

sexual talk out of context.

inappropriate , but not offensive.

i have alot of trouble believing others can still be skeptical with honest testing.

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**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/2 "2007-08-25T19:08:21Z")

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I have the same feeling.

A friend of mine that I have been edumacating about pheros is still skeptical. He keeps talking about thing like how our VNO is now vestigial and how only 3 in 10 ppl are affected by pheros. I want to let him test it himself (I’m going to spray him with TUTH like 5 times) but he keeps coming up with silly excuses.

_sigh_

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/3 "2007-08-25T22:05:10Z")

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I wonder sometimes to Lor, Maybe some people are just more open minded or observant then others.

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> i have alot of trouble believing others can still be skeptical with honest testing.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this statement. I didnt get it right when I first started but with the help of just reading all the posts in the forum and taking the advice of the experienced people I figured out what I was doing wrong pretty quick and saw results right away after that.

I think alot of people either dont use enough or use way to much and give up to quick. Then they just figure it dosnt work.

Tisha

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/4 "2007-08-25T22:55:34Z")

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thnx Tisha23, changazn,

the very first time i ever in my life applied a [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/), i was driving to work.

O…my…god.

it was SoE/women and i was instantaneously light headed.  
i pulled over.

i smelled yummy, but i was panicking over the dizziness.

after about 20 minutes, the dizziness was gone and i was surrounded by giggly gabby people.

thinking everything is BS until I SAY IT ISNT, i have tried alot of stuff.

if it affected me, how can it not be affecting other people?

i was sold on androstenol. the cops in that particular mix was undetectable…but worked without being overt.

still like being overt sometimes,though

[http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/evilgrin0007.gif](http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/evilgrin0007.gif)

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/5 "2007-08-25T22:56:34Z")

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> [@tisha23](#):
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> I wonder sometimes to Lor, Maybe some people are just more open minded or observant then others.
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> I think you hit the nail on the head with this statement. I didnt get it right when I first started but with the help of just reading all the posts in the forum and taking the advice of the experienced people I figured out what I was doing wrong pretty quick and saw results right away after that.
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> I think alot of people either dont use enough or use way to much and give up to quick. Then they just figure it dosnt work.
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> Tisha

oh and another thing,  
you and Dolly find the HOTTEST avatars!

😃

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**Author:** ![pheronewbie315](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheronewbie315/32/1440_2.png) [@pheronewbie315](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheronewbie315)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/6 "2007-08-25T23:38:46Z")

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i think it is really because the effects are usually very subtle and you have to really pay attention to notice. at first i think us newbies expect a night and day difference and are dissapointed when it’s not like that. i’ve been experimenting for a little over a month and i am just finally starting to see the results i’m looking for and they still aren’t anything over the top. really taking the time to read the forum and listen to the experienced users is key.

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**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/7 "2007-08-26T00:58:57Z")

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> i think it is really because the effects are usually very subtle and you have to really pay attention to notice.

If you’re a normally a “restained” personality I think the results are usually subtle. I’m usually on the quiet side but can crank it up when inspired or feel like acting. If I degrade into loser, fence post or zombie mode I get zip. Not even a glance or smile. However I long ago noticed the more intense persona you project–friendly, outgoing, etc.–the better pheromones seem to work. In other words, if you’re over the top, the pheromones really amp you up into overdrive. And, instead of people thinking you’ve cracked, they find you believable, enjoy and go along for the ride. So, unfortunately, you gotta go for the total package in order to be successful. I think Lor’s excellent results are directly tied into her magnetic and outgoing personality. The more you have, the more pheromones give.

As for skeptics, who cares. pheromones ain’t religion and I certainly don’t want every man, woman and beast infested with [artificial pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Let the skeptics miss out!

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**Author:** ![Ryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryan/32/1528_2.png) [@Ryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ryan)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/8 "2007-08-26T01:11:02Z")

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The less people that use this stuff, then the more power to me! Right? 😃

Let the skeptics be skeptics, if they are too stupid to test it out properly for themselves, let them be 🙄

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**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/9 "2007-08-26T05:39:10Z")

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Well, phero companies does earn more money if more & more skeptics are converted.

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**Author:** ![Astrocloud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrocloud/32/1961_2.png) [@Astrocloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrocloud)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/10 "2007-08-26T06:32:51Z")

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I am a skeptic. Certain other skeptics would have us believe that the vermonasal organ is vestigial only in humans and blocks pheromones from working -except for the proven cases of a1 and the effect they have on women’s menstral cycles…

Hmmm -so if the vermonasal organ isn’t working then how does the human female body detect A1?

With all bad science it’s a matter of using theories to interpret facts instead of the other way around.

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**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/11 "2007-08-26T07:05:09Z")

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Through the olfactory system, A.K.A der snout! It’s been demonstrated many times people that suffer loss of the vermonasal organ (e.g., plastic surgery, accidents, etc.) are still able to detect and process mone information. In contrast, those that lose their scent of smell are unable to intercept and process mone information.

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**Author:** ![Astrocloud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrocloud/32/1961_2.png) [@Astrocloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrocloud)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/12 "2007-08-26T07:08:59Z")

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I would love to see those cases.

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**Author:** ![Ryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryan/32/1528_2.png) [@Ryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ryan)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/13 "2007-08-26T07:57:14Z")

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> [@changazn](#):
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> Well, phero companies does earn more money if more & more skeptics are converted.

I’m not a phero salesman , so I have no incentive to argue with uneducated skeptics 😉

I am a skeptic myself, but am willing do the research myself to prove either way. People who pass judgement without any knowledge on the subject aren’t worth the time IMO, and in this case they are the ones missing out anyway.

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**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/14 "2007-08-26T12:37:19Z")

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> [@Ryan](#):
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> The less people that use this stuff, then the more power to me! Right? 😃
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> Let the skeptics be skeptics, if they are too stupid to test it out properly for themselves, let them be 🙄

Hehe… precisely.. 😃😃😃😃😃

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**Author:** ![metro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/metro/32/2336_2.png) [@metro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metro)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/15 "2007-08-26T13:04:01Z")

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Exactly, I don’t wear pheromones to try to convince anyone about how effective they are. Some people will argue, and debate anything, and that is their right. I think that some people expect them to work like magic or something. But even magic requires effort on the magicians part.

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/16 "2007-08-26T14:54:42Z")

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> [@Astrocloud](#):
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> I am a skeptic. Certain other skeptics would have us believe that the vermonasal organ is vestigial only in humans and blocks pheromones from working -except for the proven cases of Androstadienone and the effect they have on women’s menstral cycles…
> 
> Hmmm -so if the vermonasal organ isn’t working then how does the human female body detect Androstadienone?
> 
> With all bad science it’s a matter of using theories to interpret facts instead of the other way around.

well the funny thing is that I am not even caring what organ is being used to interpret what!  
all of the details change with evolving scientific data, and its all good.  
you can know an apple for example is good for you, and there will be 20 different theories for why.  
who cares?  
if im being affected, you bet im going to assume some will be affected as well.  
and just like im an individual, not everyone will get the results i get and vice versa…  
Liz Hurley is going to get a hella more results than i would with say androstenol ;  
and it will mesh with her chemistry differently as well.

i can see where if pheromones arent affecting you personally, then you wouldnt believe they are affecting other people.

i wore [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) to affect others.  
i hadnt a CLUE i would _feel_ like the sexiest thing alive.  
that threw me for a loop.

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/17 "2007-08-26T14:57:09Z")

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btw,

i dont think there are any people on the forum selling pheromones, except for jasmin, JVK, and Dr Smell this.

am i misled?

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**Author:** ![Quicksilver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/quicksilver/32/1328_2.png) [@Quicksilver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Quicksilver)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/18 "2007-08-26T16:54:09Z")

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> [@Lor](#):
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> i dont think there are any people on the forum selling pheromones, except for jasmin, JVK, and Dr Smell this.

Futurist?

Cheers,

🆒 Quicksilver

BTW, I’m not sure where I saw this quote, but it applies here:

Fear not for those who float by you in the current.

When they hear the waterfall, then they will learn to swim.

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/19 "2007-08-26T17:10:17Z")

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> [@Quicksilver](#):
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> Futurist?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 🆒 Quicksilver
> 
> BTW, I’m not sure where I saw this quote, but it applies here:
> 
> Fear not for those who float by you in the current.
> 
> When they hear the waterfall, then they will learn to swim.

thats right!  
darn skippy !

and futurist is pretty successful at that.

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-cant-understand-skeptics/5252/20 "2007-08-26T17:49:01Z")

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What does Drsmellthis sells ? 😕

Tisha

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