# just got my arsenal but still verry skeptic any advice! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 7, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467 "2009-07-07T03:59:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![phantom777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phantom777/32/1865_2.png) [@phantom777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phantom777)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/1 "2009-07-07T03:59:02Z")
hey guys.. just got my “ammo” and “Alpha-a314” and a free bottle of “instant honesty”. i tried the recomended sprays of ammo and a spray of instant honesty and went out to experiment and do a trial went out to shop several retail stores mc donalds etc… i saw no results on women at all!☹ they seemed like nothing was on me. i did notice a kind of alchohol tingly thing in my nose and a slight boost of confidence but… am i using too much and totaly intimadating women or just too little? i just feel real skeptical right now and im just looking for advice??? i still havnt tried the alpha-a314 yet so dont know how that works… i was realy hoping chicks would notice me but it had no affect i litterally tried walking around pretty check out girls and women shopping etc to expose the scent 😉…i know it was my first trial but damn is this stuff legite?LOL 🙂 do [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) realy work? i know qoute.. “scientificaly” and from you guys that it douse but i still have this doubt ya know? any body have some advice on combos of the stuff i mentioned that i own? and tips or tricks pleeeeese!! i just felt so unattractive with this stuff LOL.i want to know if they realy do the things these products claim.it felt alomost like a waste of my money so far. first trial was uneventfull! women didnt even look my way be nice to me or nothing..whats the deal guys… help please ?😕 so confused. the cologne did smell good though i have to admit that much 😃 my mother even liked the smell..she laughed when i told her it had stuff to attract women in it LOL.😛 and no ,no affect on her either she just said it smelled like a regular cologne. puzzled??? what do i do ..some advice would be great and which pheromones are in this stuff? thanks guys! i know you can help me pull through this rut 🆒 or speed bump..🙄 major bummer!LOL ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/2 "2009-07-07T04:09:00Z")
I suggest patience. Try one phero at a time to understand the effect and to know your sweet spot. Start with 1 spray for a few days. Go out to different occassions. Observe reaction, body language, eye contact and so on. YOu have to do your part too. Try initiate small talks, engage eye contacts, smile and so on. Then try 2 sprays and do the same. After a while you will know your sweet spot and you will know what each phero can do for you. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![Taibo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/taibo/32/1396_2.png) [@Taibo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Taibo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/3 "2009-07-07T04:25:51Z")
Woman do notice you, they do it very quick. Try talking to woman next time when wearing pheromones and based on the interactions, you will know if it worked or not. If you’re too scared to approach woman, just walk up to one and ask for the time or direction and try to make small talk afterward (don’t wear a watch). Do this at a mall where you will find woman. Be patient and give the pheromones some time to work their magic. ---
**Author:** ![beeb\_davis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/beeb_davis/32/1198_2.png) [@beeb\_davis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/beeb_davis)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/4 "2009-07-07T04:33:38Z")
You know, with all these people testing pheromones out on random strangers, why not try using controlled subjects in all your tests? Like test your products out on people you know how they would normally act towards you. Then see if they act any differently than they normally would. Testing pheromones out on random people you don’t know is like going for random numbers in the lottery, am I right? Some of these random test subjects may always act like they do in the reactions you may get, or they may already be in a mood that you are looking for. I would like to see more controlled variables. I know I haven’t been here long at all, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with these kind of controls, just random fortunate events as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/5 "2009-07-07T04:58:54Z")
> [@beeb\_davis](#): > > You know, with all these people testing pheromones out on random strangers, why not try using controlled subjects in all your tests? Like test your products out on people you know how they would normally act towards you. Then see if they act any differently than they normally would. Testing pheromones out on random people you don’t know is like going for random numbers in the lottery, am I right? Some of these random test subjects may always act like they do in the reactions you may get, or they may already be in a mood that you are looking for. I would like to see more controlled variables. I know I haven’t been here long at all, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with these kind of controls, just random fortunate events as far as I know. you bring up a good point, when i first joined i used to go on and on about doing controlled experiments…this is what i did…i approached 25 women in a location without pheros then wrote down their response, then i did it again with pheros and compared results. that’s as close as controlled you’re ever gonna get for this. and no, testing out on people you know is a bad idea because they have had such a long time to make an impression of you…that it would be extremely difficult for them to change their image…even traumatic on certain levels. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/6 "2009-07-07T05:07:12Z")
> [@phantom777](#): > > hey guys.. > just got my “ammo” and “Alpha-a314” and a free bottle of “instant honesty”. i tried the recomended sprays of ammo and a spray of instant honesty and went out to experiment and do a trial went out to shop several retail stores mc donalds etc… i saw no results on women at all!☹ they seemed like nothing was on me. i did notice a kind of alchohol tingly thing in my nose and a slight boost of confidence but… am i using too much and totaly intimadating women or just too little? i just feel real skeptical right now and im just looking for advice??? i still havnt tried the alpha-a314 yet so dont know how that works… i was realy hoping chicks would notice me but it had no affect i litterally tried walking around pretty check out girls and women shopping etc to expose the scent 😉…i know it was my first trial but damn is this stuff legite?LOL 🙂 do pheromones realy work? i know qoute.. “scientificaly” and from you guys that it douse but i still have this doubt ya know? any body have some advice on combos of the stuff i mentioned that i own? and tips or tricks pleeeeese!! i just felt so unattractive with this stuff LOL.i want to know if they realy do the things these products claim.it felt alomost like a waste of my money so far. first trial was uneventfull! women didnt even look my way be nice to me or nothing..whats the deal guys… help please ?😕 so confused. the cologne did smell good though i have to admit that much 😃 my mother even liked the smell..she laughed when i told her it had stuff to attract women in it LOL.😛 and no ,no affect on her either she just said it smelled like a regular cologne. puzzled??? what do i do ..some advice would be great and which pheromones are in this stuff? thanks guys! i know you can help me pull through this rut 🆒 or speed bump..🙄 major bummer!LOL yes i agree that you need to keep trying. but also keep in mind that the more specific your goals are…the more you have to experiment. if you’re looking for general improvements then these products will come thru very soon often in the first try…but if you’re gettin really nitty gritty like i want x reaction in y location from z person..then it takes a lot longer to get the dosage, the application and the mix down. but i know what it’s like to be skeptical..shoot i was too. i think the first step every newbie should do is to open up their minds and look for general stuff. i think you have to know that pheros work before you can figure out which ones work for your needs. there’s always that point when once you know something…you’re knowledge and use of it increases exponentially. ---
**Author:** ![beeb\_davis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/beeb_davis/32/1198_2.png) [@beeb\_davis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/beeb_davis)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/7 "2009-07-07T05:36:42Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > you bring up a good point, when i first joined i used to go on and on about doing controlled experiments…this is what i did…i approached 25 women in a location without pheros then wrote down their response, then i did it again with pheros and compared results. that’s as close as controlled you’re ever gonna get for this. and no, testing out on people you know is a bad idea because they have had such a long time to make an impression of you…that it would be extremely difficult for them to change their image…even traumatic on certain levels. Well I don’t mean test people you know on pheros like Turn up the Heat or any other phero that helps pick up girls. Of course that won’t work. I mean test them with pheros such as [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) or any other communication phero. I tested my mom and bro with the Instant Shine and I noticed considerable changes in their mood and behavior. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/8 "2009-07-07T05:41:56Z")
> [@beeb\_davis](#): > > Well I don’t mean test people you know on pheros like Turn up the Heat or any other phero that helps pick up girls. Of course that won’t work. I mean test them with pheros such as Instant Shine or any other communication phero. I tested my mom and bro with the Instant Shine and I noticed considerable changes in their mood and behavior. ya in that case sure…but i think the reason why there aren’t more reports on that is because well…why would you need to do that in the first place? if you already know someone, then you should know what makes them happy etc. etc. for example i don’t need instant shine to put a smile on my best friends face, all i have to do is say “lets go to whataburger” ---
**Author:** ![beeb\_davis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/beeb_davis/32/1198_2.png) [@beeb\_davis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/beeb_davis)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/9 "2009-07-07T05:46:45Z")
Haha, good point. Well I just did that test on my family to see if the pheros really did work. I was kind of skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/10 "2009-07-07T07:52:34Z")
One of the big reasons why testing pheromones on people who are close to you is a bad idea is the fact that they are simply use to your natural pheromone signature and they know YOU. Think of pheromones as an article of clothing. I’m sure you have a certain style or piece of clothing you love that your family and friends are familiar with. Adding new pheromones is like adding a new article of clothing. Some pheromones are very blatant, like a brand new custom made Versace suit. Others can be more subtle like the cut of your jacket. Others are even more so, perhaps akin to the cuff links or the socks that will add more class or add more (insert here). If your family is use to seeing you dressed in raggy shorts and a torn up tee with messy hair, it would be definitely different if you showed up in business casual, slacks, dress shoes, dress shirt, etc. Does that mean it can’t be changed? No, it just takes a very long time (relative to strangers) and it can be very hard to change a person’s opinion of you (in the LONG run, not necessarily right then and there). Pheromones work best with first impressions. The learning part is what your sweet spot is and tailoring each molecule for your own needs based on your target and goals and how each one works for you. My suggestion would really be for you to stop LOOKING for hits. I mean, put yourself in their shoes or flip the situation around. When you go to the mall and you see an attractive lady, you don’t straight up gawk with your mouth open and instantly go over to her and tell her how gorgeous she is and how you’ve fallen in love with her do you? You think regular people in GENERAL do that? Look at the social situation and how people react in general. Most of the time when you see an attractive person and give out an IOI (a sneaky peek at her, a smile if she were to talk to you, etc) that doesn’t always mean that the person on the OTHER end picks up on YOUR IOI right? Same thing man, you might get an IOI but you would NEVER know cause it’s not like your target is going to be like “oh btw, that smile would have never happened if you didn’t smell so great.” And most likely, they won’t know why they might be so happy that you are around. Start off with AMMO, work with it and SEE WHAT IT CAN DO FOR YOU. Once you’re just out there just testing, finding your spot you’ll notice the hits. Keep lookin and searching for the hits and really it just becomes exhausting and not really too much fun. If worse comes to worse, what you can always do is wear A314 for about a month. Then stop completely and you’ll see the change. 🙂 This stuff takes time, its not always an instant overnight change (although there have been cases where it’s happened). ---
**Author:** ![phantom777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phantom777/32/1865_2.png) [@phantom777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phantom777)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-got-my-arsenal-but-still-verry-skeptic-any-advice/30467/11 "2009-07-08T03:38:37Z")
great advice guys just great!!🙂 one situation:the girl i like at work " a target of mine" is pretty comfortable with me. i do the cocky funny routine on her and she reacts sometimes by teasing me a little i react by teasing back..i dont know if shes interested in me more than a friend .douse anyone have advice, if pheromones might up the game with her?shes known me a long time and i act alpha male ish alot at work and shes pretty much at ease with me. i joke etc.. i dont want to come off like a dick and blatently “ask her out” . and its not a good idea to do a kidde highschool ask a girl out thing anyways. i dont know what her reaction might be.. i sure wouldnt want to put her off cause i gotta work around her. my real question is if the pheromones even though she percieves me a certain way would benefit me in attracting her?😛 she is possibly interested in me so any advice would be great..oh on a posotive note guys i did test out the alpha-A314 today at my job…people seemed more likely to help me out and showed more respect..even my boss whos kinda nasty sometimes..just a note i mixed a spray of ammo into my mix .. the combo may be a good one..i gotta test more..also one of the female cooks we have ,whos a good friend of mine and flirty, kinda rubbed her bum on me when she got up after sitting near me LOL..keep the advice rolling in guys!!🆒