# just ordered pheroproof~ **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 29, 2007, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406 "2007-04-29T12:38:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/22 "2007-05-03T22:37:15Z")
Toftt šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/23 "2007-05-03T23:09:09Z")
> [@](#): > > uhā€¦maybe thereā€™s some misunderstanding here, i thought cologne drydown time = time it takes for the scent to fadeā€¦not how fast the alcohol dries on the skin? Mayhaps, although I normally canā€™t smell a cologne once itā€™s dry (save rubbing my nose in it). Perhaps my nose has gone numb as I smell it fine at first, although once dry not nearly as many molecules are airborne. I can reactivate the scent by wetting the area or sweating really bad (donā€™t sweat much). As for your GF choking on your cologne when she hugs you, I bet her nose hits near your neck/upper chest and where you applied the product. If you put it anywhere elseā€“e.g., tummy or wristsā€“she wouldnā€™t ne nearly as bothered. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/24 "2007-05-03T23:54:50Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > oh crap im so screwed LOL šŸ˜® > at least i can still pour on The Edge sandalwood like no mayana (8 sprays was my record, in public) and no worries about OD or scent kamikaze :-P. Excuse me but why would you wear 8 sprays TE ? Thats around 120mcg Androstenone, most people get good hits with one spray alone. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/25 "2007-05-03T23:58:14Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > oh crap im so screwed LOL šŸ˜® > at least i can still pour on The Edge sandalwood like no mayana (8 sprays was my record, in public) and no worries about OD or scent kamikaze :-P. It seems like 8 sprays is a lot of Androstenone most people can get by with one. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/26 "2007-05-04T00:53:50Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > oh crap im so screwed LOL šŸ˜® I donā€™t think so. Buy some unscented products and use them with one of the androtic products incorporating neroli, or another tested enhancing scent. Thatā€™s what Iā€™m doing. These scents almost surely are not enhancing diffusion rates. What they are probably doing is increasing the effectiveness of the pheromones by some biological mechanism. I think that this mechanism will in all probability work even if youā€™re not reeking of overapplied cover/enhancer scent. Thatā€™s why Iā€™ve advocated selling the unscented products and the ehnancer separately. Then pheromones and enhancers can be individually dosed. High dose of pheromones shouldnā€™t have to mean reeking of perfume. As it is, I have a lot of scented products to use up, and Iā€™ll mix them with unscented so I donā€™t reek of cologne too badly. Also, I often like to use my own cologne (Iā€™m partial to menā€™s colognes from the Edwardian era). The major drawback for me of some very good products like ammo and pheroproof, is that I donā€™t really care for the cologne, especially in higher doses. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/27 "2007-05-04T01:28:39Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > I donā€™t think so. > > Buy some unscented products and use them with one of the androtic products incorporating neroli, or another tested enhancing scent. Thatā€™s what Iā€™m doing. > > These scents almost surely are not enhancing diffusion rates. What they are probably doing is increasing the effectiveness of the pheromones by some biological mechanism. > > I think that this mechanism will in all probability work even if youā€™re not reeking of overapplied cover/enhancer scent. Thatā€™s why Iā€™ve advocated selling the unscented products and the ehnancer separately. Then pheromones and enhancers can be individually dosed. High dose of pheromones shouldnā€™t have to mean reeking of perfume. > > As it is, I have a lot of scented products to use up, and Iā€™ll mix them with unscented so I donā€™t reek of cologne too badly. Also, I often like to use my own cologne (Iā€™m partial to menā€™s colognes from the Edwardian era). > > The major drawback for me of some very good products like ammo and pheroproof, is that I donā€™t really care for the cologne, especially in higher doses. MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. and u said it so much better than me lol šŸ˜ƒ i feel a little unfair (ok, very unfair, lol) that those of us who appreciate the advantages of unscented versions are made to shell out extra $5 bucks per bottleā€¦šŸ˜  i understand that it takes extra labor and expense to custom make the unscented versions but if so many customers are asking for it, maybe itā€™s time to consider offering them as part of the main product line and not as an extra cost option? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/28 "2007-05-04T02:49:39Z")
I put off buying PP because I dislike the smell of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). I like the smell of iShine originally, but after one bottle of itā€¦ itā€™s like too much chocolate. I think all products should have an unscented version at the exact same price. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/29 "2007-05-04T03:23:03Z")
maybe we should do a poll to see who else prefers unscented versions? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/30 "2007-05-04T03:36:06Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > maybe we should do a poll to see who else prefers unscented versions? Good idea! Do it. I suspect the Androtics folks have a pretty good idea of their customerā€™s desires, but data is always good. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/31 "2007-05-04T03:36:53Z")
Iā€™ll see what I can do about the unscented thing. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/32 "2007-05-04T03:57:21Z")
> [@Futurist](#): > > Iā€™ll see what I can do about the unscented thing. THANK YOU THANK YOU Futurist. if u manage to make unscented Pheroproof available for purchase i will order a 2nd bottle! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/33 "2007-05-04T03:58:20Z")
btw, i got the poll up. now go vote! lol ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/34 "2007-05-04T13:54:49Z")
I understand why someone will ask for unscented. People who have a lot of experience under their belt can surely work with that as they understand diffusion and that diffusion rates of various pheromones are different and maybe they know how to counter it. Ammo has TAA, alpha-nol and -none (and -rone for version 1.5). Most user reports mention that unscented TAA is effective for 30 minutes(!!) and after that itā€™s gone. Unscented alpha-nol may last 1-2 hrs. Once TAA and alpha-nol diffuses (the happy mones) all you have is -none, which wonā€™t even diffuse that well from skin unless you had some diffusion enhancers incorporated. I remember Jasmin mentioned that even Ammo and Pherogame scents behave differently. The only reason most newbies will think of getting unscented is so they can use their own cologne. I am thinking more unsatisfied customers due to product not behaving the same from one user to another as they will have different scents for covering and/or will not properly cover it. Now if there is to be an unscented version I hope it still has the anti-conversion ingredients and some kind of unscented fixative more effetive than just DPG. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/35 "2007-05-04T16:44:37Z")
how about if Androtics just tone the cologne additive part WAY down? (and offer it as unscented / lightly scented) that way the scent wonā€™t be overwhelming and the effects of the product wontā€™ be compromised AND since the scent will be faint enough we can still choose our own favorite cologne. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![theslyone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@theslyone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theslyone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/36 "2007-05-09T22:01:44Z")
Well i dont know were to post this so instead of makeing a new thread i put it here.. i have been useing PP for awhile now and likeing it very much but i can no longer smell it i can when i first spray it on but then in a few mins or so it goes away very fast may be i got used to the smell.? When i got it, it was strong smell but now i cant smell it as much.. Does anyone have the same thing happen to them with PP..??? ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/37 "2007-05-09T23:29:46Z")
Same has happened to me with ammo (same scent as PP), Iā€™m almost sure we get used to itā€¦ it has always happened with other colognes, thats why a lot of people wear too much cologne sometimes šŸ˜‰ 5 hours after a spray people can smell it, but i donā€™t šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![theslyone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@theslyone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theslyone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 11:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/38 "2007-05-10T11:09:49Z")
yeah thats what i thought. Thanks for the info.. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 12:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/39 "2007-05-10T12:21:10Z")
By the wayā€¦ [nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79), the difference between ammo 1.0 and 1.5 is androsterone? Iā€™ve read a few times in other threads that the difference is that 1.5 has TAA and 1.0 doesnā€™t. Personally iā€™m more with your opinion, I seem to smell TAA in ammo 1.0 and notice TAA-like effects when i wear it, but i am not really sure about thisā€¦ anyone can throw any light on this? Thank you guys. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/40 "2007-05-10T13:38:26Z")
> [@capone](#): > > By the wayā€¦ [nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79), the difference between ammo 1.0 and 1.5 is androsterone? Iā€™ve read a few times in other threads that the difference is that 1.5 has TAA and 1.0 doesnā€™t. > Personally iā€™m more with your opinion, I seem to smell TAA in ammo 1.0 and notice TAA-like effects when i wear it, but i am not really sure about thisā€¦ anyone can throw any light on this? Thank you guys. I will be very surprised if Ammo 1.0 doesnā€™t have TAA. Anyways what I have quoted in the past is what Michael mentioned once about their differences. So, why does Ammo 1.5 appear more shiny? Thatā€™s because the added -rone mutes the -none edgy effect, letting the happy pheros shine through. Thatā€™s my theory based on what I have read. Unless Jasmin or Michael come out and refute it and say Ammo 1.0 indeed has no TAA I am going with my theory. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406/41 "2007-05-10T13:56:36Z")
nbully79, i agree with you, almost sure that 1.0 has TAAā€¦ we could read and post here [Ammo Versions](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-versions/2315) where people say the new ingredient in 1.5 is TAA (one of a few post that say it), at least while we wait an ā€œofficialā€ answer. šŸ™‚ [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-ordered-pheroproof/3406.md?page=3)