# just saying hello **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [February 26, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515 "2009-02-26T20:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pheronomepseudoscienceforlosers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@pheronomepseudoscienceforlosers](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheronomepseudoscienceforlosers)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/1 "2009-02-26T20:18:18Z")
hi, i’m new to this stuff, and highly sceptical, but i like being proven wrong. Basically i want a scent free [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) that will increase my attractiveness to women. And I don’t want to pay loads of money. Can anyone recommend some sample packs for low cost to check out. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/2 "2009-02-26T20:21:40Z")
Hi and welcome to the forum! There’s nothing wrong with being a bit sceptical, I think most of us were to start off with. Phero’s do work, and there is a lot of research being done in that area. Androtics is a research based company, so you know you’re getting the real deal in terms of products, and you get to contribute to the research side of it too if that interests you. If you tell us a bit more about yourself and your personality it’s easier for us to point you in the right direction when selecting your first phero’s to experiment with. Are you outgoing, a bit on the shy side etc? How do you relate to others? What are you hoping to get out of using phero’s? Do you want to use them for mainly for general social situations, dating, improving things at home, work/studied etc? Most phero’s are scented to cover their smell but they are quite easy to cover with cologne 🙂 Looking forward to hearing all about your phero adventures! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/3 "2009-02-26T20:24:05Z")
Hey there wooksta, welcome to the forums! You’re not the only one who’s come into this skeptical by a long shot, but at least you’re keeping an open mind and trying it out. Much better than most people i know. 😃 Even better than me, since i hate being proven wrong. 🙄 First off, let’s get some more info from you before we recommend anything. Like what kind of personality do you have? Shy or outgoing? Where did you want to test out your [pheromones](https://a314.com/)? At work, at home, in a pub/club? Are you only interested in attracting women, or also getting them more chatty, getting them in a generally better mood, etc? Oh, and how did you find out about pheros in general and PheroTalk in particular? These kinda answers will help us recommend whats best suited to your needs, as well as qualify you for a $25 gift certificate. Oh, and i’m afraid you stumbled on us at a poor time for unscented pheros. For diffusion purposes the unscented as been pretty much set back for more experienced users, but i can tell you that light neroli (orange-y) scent dies down very well and is very easy to cover. May throw in a light note into another cologne, but nothing major. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/4 "2009-02-26T20:25:33Z")
Hello and welcome. As Xiphoid said, being skeptical is natural. I know I certainly was quite skeptical before I tried them out. The gift certificate is great because it allows users to test the product out for free. To qualify, just answer the questions that Xiphoid asked. They will also help us to give good recommendations based on your description of yourself and your goals. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/5 "2009-02-26T23:16:16Z")
Hi wooksta, welcome to the forums. Let me add a couple of points to the great comments you’ve already got. By answering Xiph’s questions, you’ll qualify for the $25 gift certificate. You also get 500 points (worth $5) for creating a new account when you sign up, so you’re starting out with basically $30 of free credits. You can buy 2 Togo-sized bottles (which will give you 40 sprays each) and pay for shipping and still have credit left over. That’s much better than getting one or two samples from some other place that are only good for 1-shot each. Next, there’s no such thing as scentless pheromones. They all smell-- that’s _the way they_ work, that’s the whole point! Some smell pretty bad. There is a light scent to the products you’d be interested in to hide the smell of the pheromones AND to pull the [pheromone molecules](https://pheromonelabs.com/) into the air so Supa-hottie can locate your bad self via nostril power. So tell us more about you. Thanks in advance! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/6 "2009-02-27T03:21:31Z")
Hello Welcome to Pherotalk. 🙂 Its OK to be skeptical, we all were at some point so you will fit right in. There really is no such thing as a scent free mone. Even a unscented product needs cover for Diffusion. All real mones have a musty scent to them. There are places that claim to sell unscented but that’s only because you getting very little actual mones in them. Most products here are in a neroli scent, except for AMMO IFM and A314. You can use the custom additions link in the store for certain products bit it will cost more and your guarantee will be void. Now if you will tell us a bit about yourself and objective for mone use we will be happy to point you to products that will best fit your needs. I look forward to your reply Tisha Hostess/Guide ---
**Author:** ![pheronomepseudoscienceforlosers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@pheronomepseudoscienceforlosers](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheronomepseudoscienceforlosers)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/7 "2009-02-27T10:42:46Z")
sorry guys, but all of you are coming from the same marketing place, you speak the same language. I get the impression this has scam written all over it. I’ve searched the internet high and low and have yet to find what i believe is a true review. please delete my account immediately. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 11:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/8 "2009-02-27T11:00:58Z")
Wooksta, I’m sorry you feel like that. I am by profession a lawyer and therefore, a confirmed sceptic. I can assure you that androtics/smartmones are the most ethical, customer focussed company that I have ever dealt with. Youi are right there are scam sites selling pheromones all over the web, there are also hundreds of fake review sites, most of which recommend one or two companies, guess who hosts them. If androtics were selling a scam, would they allow this forum to discuss other products? with the exception of one company, the boss of which is a convicted felon due to selling hallucinogenic products via the web, we are free to discuss competitors products to our hearts content. Search for Scent of Eros, Pherlure, Dr Amend on this forum ( to name but a few) and you will see what I mean. Equally, how many of the other companies selling pheromones post their address and phone number on their website? Phone them! Out of the people who have responded to you here, none of us work for androtics in any way, shape or form. Besides me, Xiphoid is a doctor in the UK, MFG is studying towards two majors in the US and Tisha, the board moderator, works for the USPS, to name but a few. I’ll tell you what, I’m that confident, I’ll stake my professional reputation and career here. Post the extra information that we have asked for, then, when you get your gift certificate, try a couple of the products. If you aren’t satisfied, don’t worry about the androtics guarantee. I, here and now give you a legally enforceable undertaking to reimburse you myself. Now, in the UK, if a lawyer does not complete an undertaking, he can be struck off and disbarred from practice permanently. PM me and I will supply you with my personal details, registration number etc, you can then check me out and see that I am telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/9 "2009-02-27T13:34:11Z")
Valiant effort, Diamond, but I’d be surprized if wooksta (if that’s his real name!) will respond. I think he just wanted some free stuff without actually caring to learn how this stuff works in the real world. He also doesn’t get that if he goes to a forum on something technology-based (let’s say digital cameras) that they’re gonna communicate with words like megapixels, focal lengths, lens distortion and compression ratios. They were scientific terms long before they became “marketing terms” and are terms that people use to explain to each other what properties an item does or doesn’t provide. On the other hand, I kinda feel bad that my reply contributed to scaring the dude off. I just wanted him to realize the advantanges of the unique design of these products, as I’ve been down that road myself. But I don’t apologize for my use of big words. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/10 "2009-02-27T14:06:13Z")
And diamond, BTW, you didn’t mention my purpose here. I am here to observe and study all humans and devour their pizza. And talk in marketing speak. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/11 "2009-02-27T14:06:55Z")
> [@](#): > > sorry guys, but all of you are coming from the same marketing place, you speak the same language. > I get the impression this has scam written all over it. I’ve searched the internet high and low and have yet to find what i believe is a true review. > please delete my account immediately. I am sorry you feel that way. I cant imagine what would give you the ideal that we are scamming people. Can you please state your reason for this because I would really like to understand. Yes we all talk about products from the same company 90% of the time. This is because the forum is part of the research and development division of Androtics Smartmones. That’s not hidden. There is a link on the front page of the store to the forum and also one at the top of the page as well as numerous posts about what we do here. All the members you see posting use the products and report on them good or bad. They are the actual customers who buy the products and use them all the time. We encourage both good and bad feedback because products can not be improved without all types of feedback. We speak the same language because this is a community and when you join you pretty much learn the lingo and use it. A GC is offered so you can try 2 to-go size products virtually free to see how you like them before using your own money. No scam site in the world would offer there products free if they didn’t work. It just wouldn’t make sense. Of course the members are going to suggest products from the smartmones store where you can get your free products with the GC. There is both a 100% guarantee on the product which is honored if you do not like it. 200% if you follow the testing guidelines and find it doesn’t work for you. You have the using members and trained professionals here to help you work with the products and answer your questions. I can go on and on with reasons this company is in no way scamming anyone. I can understand your skepticism but please do not declare something a scam without asking questions and doing your research. Your wont find these products on the internet review sites out there because those sites owners get commissions as affiliates every time you click a link to the mone companies listed and buy a product. We do not offer that here because Androtics wants real honest unsolicited opinions on the products. It is up to you whether you stay or go. If you feel you are not comfortable that is fine. Please send a PM to Steve or Myself Tisha23 and we will be happy to comply with your request. We wish you well on your journey of self discovery. If you have a change of heart then ask questions and take time and answer the questions the members have asked. You do not have to rush into anything. The GC is good until you spend it. Tisha Hostess/Guide ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/12 "2009-02-27T14:14:28Z")
> [@](#): > > On the other hand, I kinda feel bad that my reply contributed to scaring the dude off. I just wanted him to realize the advantanges of the unique design of these products, as I’ve been down that road myself. But I don’t apologize for my use of big words. Rob dont feel bad for telling the truth. You always do a excellent job responding. All the members who responded here do. Some people are bound to be close minded when it comes to mones. We all have made out best effort to help him and now the ball is in his court 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/13 "2009-02-27T14:18:45Z")
> [@Robbie](#): > > Valiant effort, Diamond, but I’d be surprized if wooksta (if that’s his real name!) will respond. I think he just wanted some free stuff without actually caring to learn how this stuff works in the real world. > > He also doesn’t get that if he goes to a forum on something technology-based (let’s say digital cameras) that they’re gonna communicate with words like megapixels, focal lengths, lens distortion and compression ratios. They were scientific terms long before they became “marketing terms” and are terms that people use to explain to each other what properties an item does or doesn’t provide. > > On the other hand, I kinda feel bad that my reply contributed to scaring the dude off. I just wanted him to realize the advantanges of the unique design of these products, as I’ve been down that road myself. But I don’t apologize for my use of big words. My trusty F5, 180mm f2.8, 1/250 and Velvia 50 makes me happy, you can keep your stinking megapixels 😃 Now stop eating my pizza 😉 There was an experiment back in the 60s where a couple of guys stood on London streets during rush hour trying to give away genuine £1 notes, in an hour, they managed to give away something like two, some people are too skeptical! Me, if I’m not on the edge, I’m taking up too much room ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/14 "2009-02-27T15:53:42Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > My trusty F5, 180mm f2.8, 1/250 and Velvia 50 makes me happy, you can keep your stinking megapixels 😃 Now stop eating my pizza 😉 > > There was an experiment back in the 60s where a couple of guys stood on London streets during rush hour trying to give away genuine £1 notes, in an hour, they managed to give away something like two, some people are too skeptical! Me, if I’m not on the edge, I’m taking up too much room LOL! I love film too, but all of my 35mm bodies have died. My point is that with any new technology there is always a new micro-language that develops to communicate the process. I always crack up when I hear people speaking in another language and in the middle of the gibberish (to me), I might hear the word “video.” Talking about pheromones in the way we’ve been taught from a company that cares enough to really educate its customers doesn’t make us marketers, it makes us informed consumers. Tisha, thanks for the kind words. I hope the fella reconsiders too, but who’s to say why he bolted off so easily. Maybe he was 15 and all the jargon flew over his head, his eyes glazed over and that spooked him. If he’s seriously interested in seeing results with pheromones, he’ll be back. Oops. Market speak. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/15 "2009-02-27T16:07:32Z")
I wanna also add that I’m not meaning to knock the “other place,” but I do feel a beginner stands a much better shot at figuring out the learning curve involved with using pheromones with all of the information found here. I know at the very least, the pizza is better on this site. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/16 "2009-02-27T17:06:40Z")
> [@wooksta56](#): > > sorry guys, but all of you are coming from the same marketing place, you speak the same language. > I get the impression this has scam written all over it. I’ve searched the internet high and low and have yet to find what i believe is a true review. > please delete my account immediately. You are completely free to believe whatever it is you like. You know we all are members of this forum freely, just as you did when you joined, so I can certainly understand the hesitation. Its OK 🙂 However, like I said you have joined freely and your not believing adds credibility to this not being a scam. On that note I wont be deleting your account as you did join and post opinions and regardless of whether those opinions are the same as the majority of users its still an opinion and as such valued. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/just-saying-hello/26515/17 "2009-02-27T18:48:14Z")
After thinking about it some more, I am thinking that Wooksta might have been taken aback because we were _too helpful,_ like walking into a store and getting 5 salesmen rushing up to you all at once when you’re just interested in _browsing around_, even though we’re not salesmen (through his eyes we probably _appear to be_ salespeople, because we talked liked trained salespeople _to him._ We’re just regular people trying to help the newbies.