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Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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P96 High Dose Retest

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I have P96 in 50MCG a spray 6% Neroli. I spray 1 left and 1 right of neck. I am feeling pretty good and connected to things. I go to health food store just to browse around and there is a good base to work with of women there from 18-70.

I walk in and am greeted by a blonde maybe 30 an a 9. Right away she greets me and says hi. I tell her I am just there to browse around and her pupils are dilated, so I engage her and just making small chat and she is more relaxed than normal in her body language and there is a chemistry connection and a familiarity with the molecule and it is like we are long time friends that have not see each other in a while. There is this type of emotional attraction that is hard to describe between us. We chat for 10 minutes and there are other customers that she did not even realize that she needs to help so she says if I need anything just come get her.

I walk around and am now looking at laundry detergent and the older lady 70(and for her age looks great an 8) greets me and we start up a conversation. Right away I noticed her stance is much more relaxed with me than normal. We also start making small chat and she is smiling more than normal and seems very happy we are just chatting. We talk for 10 minutes also and she is telling me all kinds of things that she normally wouldn’t like about her kids and grand kids and so on. She normally is just happy and helps customers and keeps it to that. With this 100MCG she seems very comfortable talking to me about things and I am not even trying to open her up I am just being the same. She even mentions about how she feels she knows me from the past. I do not know her hardly at all, just that she works there.

So far I am getting a more straight emotional connection with slight beatifying effects and there is this familiarity attraction about this high dose where people feel very comfortable around me so far and they feel good talking to me.

150MCG

1 more spray to my throat. I am now getting a good type of butterfly feeling in my stomach. I go to meet a friend from church to talk to about some issues in my marriage and he is about 50 white male. Right away he is happy to see me and things are normal to start. We start talking and within 5 minutes he is giving me a lot of compliments and even says there is something special about me and feels like he has known me a long time(even though I have only known him 6 months and have never had a one on one with him). Now the hard part I am having is trying to distinguish what may be the pheromones or the spirit talking to me.

But then after 20 minutes of talking his eyes are pretty dilated. He then mentions how comfortable he is around me for just meeting for the first time one on one. I was actually expecting him to tell me some harsh things I am doing wrong, but he was actually being very nice and he kept mentioned how I could be his natural son. After 30 minutes we don’t even talk about my marriage and now it is about how we should go fishing sometime and I am just like one of his family. He even mentions how he feels we are sharing a special connection outside of the spirit and we should go do something sometime with my family and his. Now I know this is the P96 without a doubt now. This molecule helps really create a feeling of scensarity(I do not know how to spell the dam word and spell check is not helping) and familiarity.

This was a small random test, but what I am finding is at 100MCG it is more a straight emotional connection with some beautifying effects, but at 150MCG there is more a familiar effect and people feel very comfortable around you. I will probably never use this dose again just because I like to use around 15-30MCG of P96 and a very small amount of B-Nol and I get a similar desired effect. But everyone seemed to feel very comfortable with me at this high dose way more than normal.

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P109 Stealth Report

I have been very busy like most, but I am committed to test this as this was a freebie and always do report on them to show the thanks to Androtics for these and what they do for us so here is my report. The P109 sent is 5MCG and 6% Stealth.

5MCG

I have reported on P109 already, but go into this open minded to see what I get. Right away with the Stealth I am getting the typical Elmer’s glue chemical type of scent for a few seconds after I spray 1 spray to my throat. Now it is not bad just a different type of smell and only lasts about 20 seconds after I spray that 1st spray.

As far as effects I notice anxiety is slightly reduced and I am feeling slightly bubbly, but just slightly. This was more a self effects test as I am driving home from work and the drive is about 2 hours and I just started.

10MCG

1 more spray to throat and the chemical scent hits me right away and this time lasts a full minute and then settles down. Anxiety is reduced even further and I have that IDGAF about anything attitude, not in a bad way, but I remember I got something like this with my P109 test in the 6% Neroli to. As far as effects I am getting the same effects pretty much as the Neroli which is a good sign as this for me is more a comparison from the Neroli to the stealth. I feel slightly disinhibited with my thoughts and like a filter is gone from my thought process and my mind. I am driving and I notice this P109 creates a more light fun atmosphere and if I really had to describe it best almost like a cross between P130 and TAC almost like right in the middle of these 2 is the very best I can do.

I am happy at this dose so about an hour and a half goes by and I finally get in town from work and go to the dollar store to grab a few items that are needed. I walk in and quickly grab the things and go to check out and the cashier is maybe 55 Hispanic woman. When I get within about 6 feet of her she is smiling more and loosening up and talking with the lady in front of me. That lady gets her stuff and I am next. I start engaging her and she is smiling a lot more than normal and is being forgetful in ringing things up.

Now I remember this same thing happened with my first P109 test in Neroli some time ago and at this same very store and the only difference was the cashier was white, but an older lady about the same age as this one. In fact I wrote all this down and looked back thru my journal and indeed this same very thing happened! I decide not to say anything to see what she does and she even seems to know that she is not ringing up a few items and does not even seem to care at all! She is normally friendly, but is more all business. This time she is telling me more about her life and kids and grandkids and so on and all and any barriers are gone and I can tell she is being more the way she wants to be without caring if she is at work. This thing reduces personal space to because most people have no problem getting within a few feet of me instead of keeping a 3-4 foot barrier.

Effects

Like I mentioned my best description of this one is like a mix between P130 and TAC. I will use this to reduce anxiety over P130 sometimes as I feel it matches better with A314 for me and does not take away from it. Reduces anxiety and makes a bubbly happy environment. Would be best used in more a relaxed environment like a bar or club. Would be good with a little amount of A-Nol to help with meeting people for the first time and to reduce personal space and I will say this thing definitely is a personal space reducer. I can confirm the forgetfulness this thing can cause in people. Takes away any fears of things and has a IDGAF attitude to it and is a happy don’t care about anything in the world right now vibe. My house could be on fire and if I had 10MCG or more on I would say “Things happen no worries” and have no cares about it. Slows the thought process a little, but in a good way so the mind is not so busy and going 100MPH. I am actually taking things in more with life and not so on a mission get things done and more enjoying things. My best dose is 10-15MCG solo where it is a good balance and in a mix with say A314 I like right at about 5MCG for personal effects and 10MCG for effects on others.

If I am having a really bad day and am stressed up to 25MCG will just take away and melt the stress, but at the cost of being to IDGAF attitude. I don’t use anymore than 15MCG if I am driving just to be more on the safe side and use 20MCG or more if needed and I am home for the night. The stealth hits just as hard as the Neroli and lasts just as long. I have started ordering all my putatives in the Stealth now and can confirm that all of the them lasts just as long and are as effective as 6% Neroli, and 6% FF22/S. Ammo scent and so far the ones I have tested in the Stealth are P74, P77, P96, Ammo(best in scented just due to natural scent of Enone, and Erone, but just as effective as far as effects no doubt), and now P109.

I like the whole new stealth things because I wear very heavy mixes with a lot of things and I always have to worry about to much scent and now I do not have to anymore with the Stealth lineup. I will continue to wear my TUTH or Enone in 6% Neroli and am very happy with the REV32 in the normal mix with the natural EO’s in it. This will be the only scent I use and all my others will be in stealth.

Actually I made a Hedione formula in a 5ML roll on bottle and it is 4.5ML pure Hedione with 0.5ML EO blend of Neroli, Rose, Jasmine, and Orange. I am mentioning this because with the P74 and P96 in stealth my formula can carry these molecules up to 8 feet instead of the 4-6 feet on there own is the only reason I am mentioning it. With the stleath it seems whatever scent is on your skin it helps carry that scent along with the molecules to your targets nose. Now this can either be your perfume/cologne or your natural scent, or in my case my Hedione formula. So whatever your scent signature is this new stealth series will take that and carry it to your targets as we all have some type of scent to us. This new stealth series is very valuable to me and I was very Leary of it, but now in combination with some of my favorite things it has really opened things up for me.

I get about 4 solid hours out of this at 10MCG and 6 hours total with lesser effects from 4-6 hours. I can vouch for the Stealth and it works really well and the chemical part goes away within 20-30 seconds and there is absolutely nothing to smell. The only ones I will still in fact order in a scent is Androstenone, Anrosterone, Ammo, and TUTH. These I have found have a natural scent to them and needs a slight mask to them.

Sorry I am not posting more effects on this P109, I am more reviewing the difference from what has been the standard for years which is the 6% Neroli for years verse the 6% Stealth and I have reported on P109 already as far as pheromone effects and is in my guide if anyone is interested.

Making mixes especially heavy ones the Stealth is a must have or if anyone plans to make a mix in a bottle I would consider getting all your molecules in stealth and using them to make your mixes. I have thought of this, but I think I will just continue to layer these pheromones for now. My only problem is when I do a top up I don not want to carry multiple things around. So I am looking into my options.

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P77&P83 Report

I have had this done for a while, but I am having issues where I stay with the Wifi and am home now and I need to get this out of the way so I can test out another one of Brasileira’s setups on my wife to see what it does.

I have P77 in 10MCG in stealth and also the P83 is in 10MCG in stealth. I have to note I have not reported on P83 solo yet and will once I get a chance.

I start very low on both so I can work my way up so I spray 10MCG to the throat of P77 and 10 MCG to each side of my neck of P83 for 20MCG of P83 and 10MCG of P77 total.

I give it 10 minutes to really soak in to see how I feel. Within this time I am feeling more grounded and solid and nothing is going to mess me up today and this is why I choose the P77 for my throat just for this self effect.

Wife and daughter comes home and wife sits next to me and within 5 minutes she is touching me more and not so much going thru the motions, but more a genuine touching and making more eye contact and more rubbing than normal instead of putting her hands on me and that us it. She is giving me more a genuine affection. Daughter gives me a hug which she normally does not do much anymore(she is 12 and has a don’t touch me attitude). I am feeling like this setup is safe to use around kids for the record as there is no main drivers here like Enone.

I live in a small town with not much and they just opened some Laser Tag place in town and they are having a grand opening with discounts, so we decide to go and wife invites her teacher friend who is 45 Hispanic and she has kind of softly hit on me before, but will get to more of this later.

We get in the car and wife is driving there and she is still very affectionate and rubbing my leg the whole time on the car ride there(just to note not in a sexual way). She is feeling more stable and I am getting similar effects like I would with IG from the P77 where wife feels more secure with me than normal.

We get there and wife’s friend show up with her 2 kids and we all say hi and start checking the place out. Wife’s Friend we will call her P for this report gives me a big hug takes a deep breath in and then puts her hand on my shoulder and then continues to talk to me while wife is holding my other hand.

Now she has always shown light interest, but I never really had any touching like this from her and there is nothing sexual about her touching to note. But the longer she touches my shoulder the more the wife gets closer to me. Now I am very humble but I have to admit, I am kind of enjoying this new found attention. More about P, she is more a dominant type of Hispanic women and (she has hit on me with 3 sprays Ammo solo before) and I think what is happening is the P77 is hitting her first and she sees me as stable, and then the P83 comes in after to be a physical disinhibitor.

I look out the window and I see my wife’s Aunt walk by with some of her grandkids. So I leave to go outside to say hi to them(wife is not very close to them, but I genuinely wanted to see how they were doing). So I go outside to say hi and right away they are happy to see me as I get along with them more than a lot of there own family.

An important not like with P her Aunt is 65 and white and she also has hit on me before wearing 3 sprays of Ammo solo. We will call her J for this report.

J is happy to see me and right away gives me a hug and I hug her grandkids also. Within a few minutes J also is touching my shoulder as we are talking and nothing really sexual, but does seem like a genuine and caring touching. We talk for 5 minutes and J is touching my shoulder the whole time and daughter comes and gets me as it is time to start playing laser tag. So I say my good byes and J gives me a big hug and breathes in deep like P and tells me to come visit there family sometime.

We go in any start playing laser tag and nothing to note much here but we are running around and my body temp is increasing and as it is doing this these 2 molecules are diffusing hard now. The laser tag only last 5-10 minutes and when we are done we are resting and P is getting really close to me as we are sitting down. The kids are running around and wife is on my left and P is on my right. P keeps scooting her chair very close to me and I feel like a dam sandwich. P is giving me a lot of compliments, and my wife does not seem to mind so I go with it.

After 10 minutes of cooling down we decide to go and eat all you can eat Chinese food. It is right around the corner, so we walk in and I go to the bathroom to put on another 20MCG of P83 1 spray each side of the neck for a total of 40MCG of the P83 and I don’t reapply the P77 because I am now more interested in what this P83 can do.

We go and sit down and wife is next to me on my left and P is on the opposite side of the table. Right away wife is touching me but now instead of a more calm genuine touch it is more like a grabbing effect but not really sexual. We are all chatting and then go and get our food and start eating. As we are eating and more time goes on the P83 is hitting P harder and she is giving me a lot of compliments and even offers to come and visit me where I work out of town.

Now this did not come off sexual and wife did not mind what she said and I laughed it off and I can never tell if she is half serious. This is the first time she has made a kind of advance like this and I really did not know what to make of this to be honest. But we all enjoy our meal and then get ready to leave.

As we are leaving P gives me a big hug and really holds on and she does not want to let go and is smiling a little more than normal. We finally go our ways and I planned on adding some TUTH to this later on to see what these 2 molecules can really do, but on the car way home we got in a fight over the daughters attitude problem and I end up leaving to go back to my motel room where I work.

Conculsion

These 2 molecules are a really good match for each other. They definitely need more a driving mone and have not got a chance to test this yet. Definitely anyone that is looking for physical attention this is a good setup. I have to thank Brasileira for suggesting this setup. A lot of touching and physical disinhibiting. The P77 added more a stable feeling as normal when fighting with the wife over her daughter I would have really been upset and voice would have been raised. But this time I was more composed and in a very calm and stern matter I let her know where I stand then left without once letting my feelings or emotions getting the best of me like they normally would.

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Nice report. P83 has been on my testing list forever. I’ll make sure it’s my next in line as far as putatives are concerned.

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Thank you Conjurator and am so glad to see you back and I love the jokes! I am looking a lot to Brasileira now for some tests as she always has some good ones to do. I need to test more the P83 with TUTH and Mix 1 and Mix 2. I think P83 will be a must have to physically escalate things.

I can’t wait for you to test someday as I know you will do something crazy like test 100MCG or something.

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Interesting results. I had expected this combo to be a lot more sexual, or at least more sensual.

It would be nice if you could test it again when being alone with P. It’s dangerous, I know. But I also know you have enough self control to do it. :wink:

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Dam it Brasileira LOL, I will do it I am so in, I just will have to strategize a little bit though as it will be hard to find a way to see how it effects her without her kids or my wife being around. OK I will look at adjusting my dose a little if I am using just P77&P83 I will probably go with 20MCG of the P77 and maybe around 30-40MCG of the P83 I am thinking.

I will look at back thru my journal to see what has worked on her before and am pretty sure it was Ammo at 3 sprays and I can not find the post.

470

I just thought I would update this thing. I got a new order in and got P112 as a freebie and will be testing that first thing and should report in a couple of weeks.

SO my direction from here is this. I actually completed a test of DHC oil and P77 and will report in it when I get more time and this is the first thing I will do and a very special thanks to Brasileira for the idea.

Then I will be testing P112 and will report on that here in this journal as I am probably more or less will use my personal journal for reports on things individually and use my Getting P’s All MXD up journal for most of my mixes as that is where I am best with things(or at least I think LOL).

I got some Oxytocin a while back from another member and there is a lot of controversy about this molecule. What was sent to me works and quite well actually and I think that molecule is very misunderstood and it is a very heavy one to like 1000 where most mones are in the 250-300 range.

So I ran out of my loved EO blend which is orange, Jasmine, rose, and Neroli. I can not seem to find it anywhere and I actually came across a cologne Acqua Di Gio and found out that this particular cologne has all these thing in it and Patchouli and some Hedione to!

So this is perfect as I can use this as my cover for all my stealth molecules now. So I actually ordered some Oxytocin as well and will mix some in with my new ADG and see how it goes. My plan is to use the ADG/Oxytocin as a cover for all my stealth mixes and hope to take things to another level.

I actually got a new order in and got a lot of the molecules in 20% stealth strength and hope to add my ADG/Oxyocin as a cover and I should have no problem with the diffusion of the Oxytocin molecule.

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It’s funny because ADG was my only cologne I wore when I first started wearing Mix 1 a few years ago. TUTH/TAC/adg is all you need!

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P112 Report

I got this in 6% Stealth as a freebie and have had hell trying to find the time to report, but here it is. I actually also got this in 50MCG 6% Neroli from Pago a while back and my report on that is post #46 in this journal and was when I was still trying to figure pheromones out and when I was much newer and still learning a lot.

5MCG

I get a slight air feeling and best way to describe it is like a floating on air feeling with very slight more alertness and nothing else to note.

10MCG

The same as 5MCG just stronger nothing else to note. Feeling more awake without the jitters of coffee or an energy drink which is nice.

15MCG

More alert and focused is now increased slightly. I am getting more a body high with this now where I am getting the floating feeling in my body much more now. I am more sensitive to touch and just had an idea that this might go really well in a sexual mix with TUTH and P83 because of this. This is where I would start as far as a starting dose is 15MCG.

20MCG

Same as at 15MCG, but it is weird it is like the energy effect comes in and then the body high effect and with each 5MCG increase in dose it is always one increases and over powers the other. At 20MCG the energy focus is over powering the body high. This molecule would be perfect for TUTH/P83 setup or something where you want to stay up and party like a Rave and want a feel good body high. This also might go really well with IShine to. Energy is a 8 out of 10 and focus is a 7 out of 10 and body high is 6 out of 10. The energy feeling is more like a very light air feeling and the energy is there compared with caffeine, but without the down side or harsh stimulant feeling.

So a good starting dose is 15MCG Solo.

45MCG

Ok so I now have the 20MCG from my Stealth Togo bottle on still, but now I take my 50MCG 6% Neroli bottle and spray 1/2 spray so now I have 45MCG on. Wow now it is hitting me hard and energy is now a 9/10, and body high is 8/10, and focus actually dropped because the Energy is taking over! Heart is not racing like I remember from before, but energy is there and thru the roof!

This was more a self test and I am actually getting ready for work as I am getting ready to work night shifts and I bring the Togo bottle with me just to see if it helps me stay awake later.

I still have the 45MCG on, but now I put on 2 drops A314 REV32, 2.5MCG Enone, 20MCG P77, 15MCG P96, 5MCG B-Nol.

So I pretty much wore my standard work mix with the P112. Wow! I am feeling powerful like I normally would with my powerhouse work mix like I am used to, but the P112 really adds energy to the mix and makes me feel great in addition to the already great effects I am used to. I am getting the normal confident swagger, but now with the energy to match and a nice body high to!

My car pool guy picks me up and he is 58 White and is normally kind of grumpy going to work. Today he is in a little better mood and more talkative and does not seem as tired for a night shift as normal and even comments on this.

On a side note I love testing molecules in a car with AC on Recirculation as it really sees what these things can do in a confined space.

He even mentions how all of a sudden he is more alert from driving and he feels pretty good.

We get to work and I go and grab my stuff out of locker and get ready and meet him back at the main building we have our morning/afternoon safety meetings in. I meet him there and he tells me the weirdest thing happened, so I asked what it was?

He then tells me how he was feeling good and alert and then on the way in walking by himself he got tired, and then when I cam and talked to him he is now awake and alert again. I tell him I don’t know that is weird and laugh it off.

I talk with some of the others and nothing to note way out of the ordinary, I do notice that with the addition of the P112 to my normal work mix that people are very much more willing and eager to go out of there way for me and very energetic also.

I have nothing else to note and I get in my haul truck and pretty much am by myself for the rest of the 12 hours so I do not get a chance to test on others, but right at about midnight I start feeling tired so I get out and stretch for 10 minutes and then get back in the cab and spray on 1 spray to each side of my neck for 10MCG total. This did the trick as now I am alert and feeling good again. I feel this is safe for work to use and works great for a pick me up.

I have been working a whole week on nights and actually use up the whole bottle like this using as a pick me up, but I do have in 50MCG and have to test with IShine and TUTH/P83 out of curiosity to see what I get.

Strength

I give an 8. Gets much stronger with each spray to.

Length of Effects

About 6 hours total and dies of slowly not a hard drop off, so very nice and easy to gauge with smooth transition.

Tenacity

This thing hits fast and hard, just commands the energy.

Effectiveness & Consistency

I give a 9 as I never saw any change out all even thru different dose ranges.

Diffusion/Sillage

I really did not test this right with the stealth in all honesty to rate this part.

Very nice molecule and useful with my line of work and the shifts to help me stay alert. I will almost always carry a Togo with me now and use this instead of trying to drink an energy drink. There is not a whole lot on this one. I would start at 15MCG at least and find more than 10MCCG a waste, but somewhere between 15-50MCG should be good enough.

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This is an update as I got some Putatives in 20% Stealth verse whatever is normal I assume 6%.

I got the P77, 83, and 96 in this 20%.

I have tested all 3 verse the regular and this is my thoughts on this.

The 20% is much more robust and diffusive. When first sprayed the plastic chemical smell is much stronger and takes an extra minute to die down verse the regular. The pheromone cloud is throw farther, not night and day but about 1 foot farther which when we are talking 6 verse 7 foot to me that is very significant.

I do notice that when I use a cover I have to go with 2 sprays verse 3 of most of my cologne because the scent can be a little much to some. With no cover there is no problem at all. When I use these molecules it did amp up the A314 REV32 and whatever oils are in them and actually the self effects from A314 are hit me harder to when used with the 20%, which is very nice as my confidence has gone up and made me much more bold with my actions. I am thinking of actually getting B-Nol in this 20% or in a higher MCG because now my other putatives overpower the B-nol, and I really need B-nol in my daily mixes.

This seems to last just as long as the regular version. I have spent a great deal of time not only trying to perfect the perfect mix, but also things that can effect a mix to just like this. This is perfect for me because I live in a hot area where everything diffuses very fast, so what I do is shower with my Aloe glycerin based soap, then put on my Sensual lotion from Bath&Body Wors and then my mix on and what happens is lotion will reduce diffusion, but make the molecules last longer, well with this 20% they diffuse as good now as the regular 6% with my lotion and last much longer now, so a win situation.

I have actually worn both the 20% and the regular in a mix at the same time, and what I have found if you want a molecule to standout in a mix wear that one in the 20%, or if you want to hit your target with a particular molecule first to set the stage then wear it in 20%.

I have not report on it, but with mix 2 I have found that the P96 in 20% on my throat works best and everything else in the 6%, and what happens is the P96 really pulls people in and right away establishes that beatifying/emotional connection and then the rest of the mixes comes in and works its magic.

So I encourage anyone reading this to try and get at least on of your putatives in the 20% strength and see what you think, I have not found any draw backs with it and they last just as long as the regular.

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Thanks for testing that 20% stealth stuff partner. I was wondering about it. Maybe I’ll get me some.

475

I thought I would come in and update this thing as there is so much happening lately. I am waiting on a new order and will put up a report of one of the items to fulfil my responsibility as a RU(Reporting User).

I have changed a lot of things and while this is not a pheromone update, I feel it is important because it does have a direct impact on them.

So to start I shave using my Aloe shaving cream which I got from the health food store as it does not contain the drying chemicals that tend to dry my face out, and this is important because I almost always apply oils on my jawline where I shave.

I then shower and I am still using my Brita shower head filter as it helps remove some of the chemicals that are known to dry skin out like chlorine and others.

I wash with a Glycerin based soap now that is also Aloe based as well and this helps to keep moisture in my skin and not dry it out as well and they are very cheap $1.50-2.00 for a 5OZ bar.

Then when I get out of the shower I dry off and right away put on Bath&Body Works Sensual lotion which is Vanilla based and is an aromatherapy lotion, so it is diffusive as a lotion and found this to go extremely well with the spray pheromones and also the A314 oil to!

I am listing all this because I am a big fan of the spray pheromones and this is what I have found to maximize how long they last and to make them hit harder. This also works well for oil based pheromones to.

  1. To slow down the natural bacteria on your skin from degrading them.

  2. Hydration is a huge key and it is also important to keep yourself hydrated internally as well by drinking water to.

once I have done all this I made a blend and I may tune the P.A and Hedione Ratio a little more, but it is about 90% to where I want it. I spray my mix where I let sit for a good 10 minutes, then start layering my mones over this.

My blend is,

20% ISO E Super, 25% Hedione, 30% DPG, 25% P.A.

I let my sensual lotion soak in for 30 minutes to an hour, then I apply my mix and this is a base mix I use to help really diffuse the pheromones off of my skin. I apply my pheromones, then I typically use ADG as a cover scent.

I got into all of this because I got to playing around with Oxytocin in my mixes and over time this is where I am at and just sharing what has worked for me.

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A real quick update. My Hedione/ISO blend I made works with some vendors products I noticed and some not so well. I am seeing that some vendors use a lot of DPG in there sprays and some not so much so it is kind of all over the board with my results from vendor to vendor with the sprays when I use it. I don’t feel like taking the time to make a separate system for different products and is way to much hassle.

So for now I am going to drop this and go to a more basic setup and just use my lotion with the pheromone sprays for now.

With the stealth series here I find it is best to just leave things alone and use a good lotion and then a good quality cover cologne over the sprays for now.

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It’s been really interesting reading your journal, especially as I get into pheromones myself (and sorry for necroing your thread)

Especially on how Gay & Straight men interact with each other with the pheromones. My best friend is Straight, and I’ll admit I have had a thing for him since we first met. We were roommates for 10 years and I can still say I love the “smell” he had, in the same way that straight women would like the smell of certain men when they smelled their shirts.

And i"m not the only one, in 20 years I have seen many gay men hit on him. From a server at Applebees to dirty old gay men at a friends Beer share.

He doesn’t use any mones, so this would be his natural smell. In general, I do not feel that same attraction to straight men. He seems to be an exception. He’s also been painfully single for nearly 30 years. I wonder if the issue he has then would be that his natural pheromones are triggering in gay men (which put off women).

Not that I would question if he’s actually Bi-curious or gay or anything (though who knows, considering how he was raised), but I wonder if maybe if he tried some mones if he’d have a different experience.

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Yes if your friend tried pheromones he would alter his signature temporarily while wearing which would modify who might respond to that new modified signature. So certainly worth suggesting him to try. Men wearing womens pheromones is one example where you may get completely different types of people responding. Personally I have noticed that some of the guys who I know to be bi or gay became attracted to me suddenly when I wore Androstadienone in blends. Later I happened to see brain studies of this molecule while reading about its effects on women and it hits gay like a straight woman. I’m sure other molecules do as well but maybe have no studies. The signature itself may indicate he is actually bi or gay if as you say most gay guys you know have similar type smell that attracts you but not straight guys. If that is the case, try IH solo as it can work almost like a truth serum a bit with some disinhibition and you can try talking to him with it…

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Thank you so much for reading, and this is why I do this is for other members really just like you. Feel free to leave any and all advice as well as I am always open to anything. I have also created a journal for the women as well and the link is below in pink where my partner Jdub and I test women’s pheromones also if you are interested in that.

I responded to your intro thread so I will focus more on what may work to attract other men.

The main ones I have found from the Instant line are A314 and IG mainly and then Ammo can work as well. I have learned that usually a gay mans brain is wired different to where what works to attract women works also to attract gay men as well.

I would still work on the anxiety thing and when you are ready I would look at using IH with some IG or A314 and see where it goes.

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Maybe once I get my Killer Kit I’ll ofter to let him try one of them when we go out.

I can’t imagine him being gay. We’ve been friends for 20 years now, and 10 of them we were roommates when he was renting a room from me at my house. I know the type of porn he buys, the one girl he did sleep with since I’ve known him, and the mutual friend he’s had a thing for. So he clearly likes women, unless he’s deep in the closet.

Now, deep down under years of repression from his family telling him “gay is wrong” is there a bit of curiosity, maybe, but I won’t hold my breath. (Though, I don’t know if I’d feel worse that he was just hiding it and after all this time didn’t trust me to talk about it or if I wasn’t his type which is why it never came up :roll_eyes: )

So I kinda wonder if there is something else biologically going on, is it possible for a totally straight guy to be giving off that level of “gay smell”? I myself am not a brunch and musicals type of gay, I’m a football, beer, burbon, cigar, hotwings, beard, and flannel type of gay - but I clearly send out the signal that I’m gay.

I do find it interesting too that, though a limited selection for me to work with, the women he has been attracted to (edit: and have responded to him) have all been bi- so far.

So interesting, no conclusions, can’t wait for my kit so I can get to test some of these. It would be great if I could find a way to help him (He’s a bit of a technophobe, so I know he would never go on line to place an order for something like this).

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Yes I would start your own journal and copy all these things like this in it and your testing once you get your items… You dont feel this attraction toward straight men based on just their scent, and when we use pheromones we do change our scent and attract different races/ages/people. Also very interesting you said only bi women hes been with, all of which might be something related to this scent signature. You should try your IH and have a convo, as it works almost like a truth serum. If he is actually straight, not just not acting on it, then using pheromones could certainly change that signature and help. Low testosterone men use them all the time to fix their signature that would otherwise not attract women either…

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I have not posted in a while. I sure hope things get in order at the store soon as I am running out of P’s P74, P77, P96, and P131 in specific. I have an order I made in Sep that I am still waiting on!

So I do have some of these moleules but on the higher end of things TAA in 20MCG P74 in 25MCG and P96 in 50MCG, but I only have a few Milliliters of each one.

I have no choice but to try and maximize each molecule, so now I have to resort to making some mixes with some P79 to try and make work what I have.

I am gathering data, but am thinking of making something like,

Mix 1 2MCG P79, 2.5MCG P74, 2MCG of TAA

Mix 2 2MCG of P79, 2.5MCG P77, and 5MCG of P96

Something like this. I will probably make a ratio of 60% PA to 35% PA with 5% ISO. Any suggestions I am always open.

My base will be 2 drops A314, to 2.5MCG of Enone as this is my main signature and will mainly be for a work mix. A little background, I started in a position at work I really want and so far have been using 2 drops A314, 2.5MCG of enone, 10MCG of P77, 15MCG P96, 5MCG of TAA.

It has been going extremely well, the only issue is I am running out of all of these. So now With some others I have I want to make a 30ML bottle with some of the higher dose molecules I have to make things work in hopes of the stores coming back up soon.