# "L" is for "Cougar"! **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 25, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421 "2013-06-25T06:32:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/1 "2013-06-25T06:32:57Z")
Well, well. I’ve stumbled across something rather interesting. For all the cougars out there, TAL is your new best friend! Not too long ago, I picked up some straight TAL, single molecule. I started wearing it almost every day, generally in low doses (usually 12.5mgc, rarely as high as 37.5). I liked the pleasant, confident, self-assured feminine vibe it gave me. And then I noticed increased attention from the young’uns. Even at such a low dose, guys 10 or 11 years younger than me (that I had already been acquainted with) started showing me new attention. One particular young man (21, 9 years younger) fell victim to what I’ve observed as a “slow burn” effect. He gradually amped up his IOI over a matter of 2 months or so. I think he got the most exposure of the young men I’ve observed. One day, I actually wore IS/A around him, and he nearly lost his mind! He’s been begging me to help him start a garden, and I finally did yesterday (wore TAL, but it sweated off right away)…I think he’s irrevocably hooked. So here’s my advice for cougars: if there’s a young cub you’ve got your eye on (or you just want to go fishing in general), do a slow burn of straight TAL if you’ll be repeatedly exposed to him/them. Start with one spray of 12.5, then gradually increase the sprays. When they’re hooked and ready for fallout, bomb them with IS/A! …And to prove that this isn’t just a “general male” thing, I’ll contrast it with my older male experiences. Any time I’ve worn IS/A, I always get increased male attraction. With older men, it is more like a flirty, crush-like response. One day, I had hired a new young man (21, 8 years younger) as an employee. I believe I wore 5 mcg IS/A during the interview, and I know I wore it during his first training session. During the interview, he was almost like a puppy, super eager to please me (moreso than the general interview environment). By the end of training, he was on the brink of fallout. I recently wore IS/A around a guy (older by 6 years) whom I’ve had a hot/cold thing with for years. It definitely warmed him up, I saw extra IOI, and he gave me more attention, but definitely not anything remotely resembling fallout. I think TAL should be renamed “Cougar’s Friend”! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/2 "2013-06-25T09:43:38Z")
About to test me some TAL shortly. Interesting report. Would love to see how women compare TAL, androsterone products and [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/), 76, 80, and 95. I have this voice whispering in the back of my head. It says, “What if TAL was derived the same way as…Ghasp…Rone!” What if TAL and TAH really have very little to do with each other? ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 9:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/3 "2013-06-25T09:51:47Z")
Are you going to test it with your diffuser thing? I’d be really interested to hear your results! ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/4 "2013-06-25T12:37:23Z")
So…Miss Dragon got an inkling to “rob the cradle”… 🙂 C’mon, admit it, you’ve been thinking about it… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/5 "2013-06-25T14:20:52Z")
Great observation Miss dragon. TAL and TAH are awesome to add to any female mix or on there own. > [@](#): > > “What if TAL was derived the same way as…Ghasp…Rone!” What if TAL and TAH really have very little to do with each other? They don’t have anything to do with each other, other then the fact they work very well together and are derived from estrogens. I have tested TAL along with just about every other molecule here. I find it closer to putatives in the range of P86 though P89 which were also estrogens. Not exactly the same but it has a female feel to it where as [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and P80 have a heavier masculine feel to them when a female wears them. Good stuff, workable on males when dosed correctly but more of a matriarchal vibe then the masculine counterpart. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/6 "2013-06-25T15:25:16Z")
Celticprince, lol! My whole life, I’ve never been into guys younger than me. Not even by a month. But lately, I’ve been more open to the idea. And this particular young guy who’s into me, I dunno. It still feels a little weird, but maybe I’ll consider giving him a chance. He is a serious cutie, and I really like him as a person. ---
**Author:** ![ladyofthewoods](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ladyofthewoods/32/1288_2.png) [@ladyofthewoods](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ladyofthewoods)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/7 "2013-06-26T15:33:18Z")
Interesting. I’ve noticed myself that when I wear TAH around older guys, I get serious lovey dovey interest. I guess I’ll have to do some TAL experimentation with the youngins 😉 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 8:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/8 "2013-06-27T08:59:55Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Great observation Miss dragon. > > TAL and TAH are awesome to add to any female mix or on there own. > > They don’t have anything to do with each other, other then the fact they work very well together and are derived from estrogens. > > I have tested TAL along with just about every other molecule here. I find it closer to putatives in the range of P86 though P89 which were also estrogens. Not exactly the same but it has a female feel to it where as P75 and P80 have a heavier masculine feel to them when a female wears them. > > Good stuff, workable on males when dosed correctly but more of a matriarchal vibe then the masculine counterpart. Does the P79 through 86 thinking still hold? The store still stocks P89. What of this as a replacement for the beloved, erstwhile P86. > [@Lovescent Pheromones....](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lovescent-pheromones/30119): > > Hello everyone, I have a question, has anyone tried some of the lovescent [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) such as Estratrienol, Equilin, or Estradiol? Are they estrogen derivatives (wild guess)? I looked up Estradiol on this forum, but didn’t really find any reports or anything.. I refer to these substances as pheromones, because on the LS site it says, under each product note, that they are pheromones. Thanks, Dominick I remember the whole deal about “P79 looks like P75 molecularly and it’s not androstAnone.” Three of 8 in the 18 and 19-carbon sequence are ketones, as is _A n one_. P79 being estrogen derived would throw me for a loop, but I guess [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and 79 don’t seem far off. 83 seemed volatile with women at high doses to me. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Steroidogenesis.svg](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Steroidogenesis.svg) Apologies if my thought process seems circumspect. I wouldn’t have made any connection with P75 and an estrogen derivation for P79-89 at all. Hopefully I’m not hijacking the thread. :o And, yes Miss D, we’ll diffusion test TAL. My terse journal report will just say “diffusion test from inanimate object.” Even if I did know what any particular substance was, I’d never say so; it would compromise Androtics position unfairly. Nice people don’t deserve that. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/9 "2013-06-27T14:26:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Does the P79 through 86 thinking still hold? The estrogens are in the upper P80’s I don’t believe P79 was ever thought to be an estrogen when Jasmin sent them to me to test it was P84 through P89. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![madison](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/madison/32/546_2.png) [@madison](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/madison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/10 "2013-06-30T17:15:31Z")
Tal is definitely one of my top favorites! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/11 "2013-06-30T21:38:19Z")
The effects of TAL seem to be profound enough that diffuser testing would be almost unnecessary, as the self effects and targets’ effects appear about identical. I don’t fully understand the effects, but here they are, as I see them so far: `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/detour-64713.html#post498982` This thread is worth a second look. I see some similar effects but can’t put my finger on them. An emotional intensifier? Could be. I can’t imagine wearing this with heavy duty IH or something, but will effort it with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) in coming weeks. > [@The sheer honesty that TAL unleashes in women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780): > > Have been probing the full potential of TAL in various mixes… particularly in combination with alpha-nol… started with 60 mu mixed in a tube with other stuff, then doubled that to 120 mu,… so probably 12 mu per squirt… combined with a alpha-nol and p74 rich mix and p126 in as a “liberator”… was quite surprised as the TAL fraction increased how much hidden core information was being surfaced… sides of the personality that were normally disguised, areas of concern that were never discussed, coming… ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/12 "2013-06-30T22:01:31Z")
Wow. Great report. That really explains something that happened last week. I wore 37.5 mcg TAL in a small group discussion of 4 people (counting myself). 2 women in their mid-30’s, and a guy in his early 20’s. I thought that this would be another cougar experiment, but everyone really opened up about deeply psychological topics. One of the ladies had lost her father a few months ago, and the young man is dealing with his father being terminally ill. The discussion ranged from dealing with deaths, to being the victim of cruelty. I might have expected that response from IH, but it was a great surprise from TAL. Perhaps lower doses of TAL create the cougar slow-burn, but higher doses are a different story. I’d say that TAL warrants much more experimentation. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/13 "2013-07-01T11:24:04Z")
> [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > Wow. Great report. That really explains something that happened last week. I wore 37.5 mcg TAL in a small group discussion of 4 people (counting myself). 2 women in their mid-30’s, and a guy in his early 20’s. I thought that this would be another cougar experiment, but everyone really opened up about deeply psychological topics. One of the ladies had lost her father a few months ago, and the young man is dealing with his father being terminally ill. The discussion ranged from dealing with deaths, to being the victim of cruelty. I might have expected that response from IH, but it was a great surprise from TAL. > > Perhaps lower doses of TAL create the cougar slow-burn, but higher doses are a different story. I’d say that TAL warrants much more experimentation. It does. Try TAL with 3 or 4 sprays of IH. Rather profound, I must say… Many thanks to Tisha and so many others, for helping me become more enlightened. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/14 "2013-07-01T11:27:35Z")
I was starting to wonder if there was any TAL in IH. I’m guessing that’s a no? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/15 "2013-07-02T06:24:18Z")
> [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > I was starting to wonder if there was any TAL in IH. I’m guessing that’s a no? I think not, but pairing IH with TAL and/or [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) could get interesting. Frankly, any of the high-impact molecules could really intensify the emotional outpouring of these, when used together. P79, P102, etc. TAL is probably superior in some respects to TAC for buffering male molecules. Some women are emotionally labile (some more so than others) due to hormonal changes. This is a very emotionally labile molecule. Keep in mind, conjugated estrogens have been around many years. That link I posted above, the chart, doesn’t show any of the metabolic end products or stereochemistry. The subject is of more importance to those who read academic abstracts, as these report on the chemical name of the substance (neurosteroid, etc.) I use a 3-D visualization software to study some of these, the structure, van der waals radii, etc. I should say I haven’t \*tested _IH with TAL_, \*but the pairing seems interesting. It elicits tremendous, perhaps maternal, empathy in targets. How this translates into alpha female self effects is a puzzler. However, 102 or 79 could intensify the effect perhaps. If you accept that TUTH or IJ _may_ contain P79, the idea makes some sense. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/16 "2013-07-02T16:33:43Z")
I can defiantly say that IJ doesn’t contain P79. Not positive about TUTH though. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/17 "2013-07-02T16:50:20Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I can defiantly say that IJ doesn’t contain P79. Not positive about TUTH though. Defiantly? I wouldn’t argue with her! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/18 "2013-07-02T21:18:57Z")
MMDI, I have worn IH with TAL, but I wasn’t being very scientifically minded at the time, and didn’t really note the effects. I do intend to do this again with much greater observation, especially knowing now what I do about TAL. Maternal empathy has crossed my mind, too. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/19 "2013-07-03T20:07:49Z")
> [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > MMDI, I have worn IH with TAL, but I wasn’t being very scientifically minded at the time, and didn’t really note the effects. I do intend to do this again with much greater observation, especially knowing now what I do about TAL. Maternal empathy has crossed my mind, too. TAL seems like it has something to do with pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421/20 "2013-07-03T23:28:04Z")
Pregnancy? I think that’s a bit of a stretch. But I think I may have figured out how TAL creates alpha female. If others feel emotionally vulnerable when being around the wearer, yet the wearer maintains composure, then others may come to see the wearer as a source of emotional stability. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/l-is-for-cougar/59421.md?page=2)