# lack of confidence **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 7, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403 "2010-05-07T03:24:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ash104](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ash104/32/2163_2.png) [@ash104](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ash104)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/1 "2010-05-07T03:24:49Z")
So this is my 2nd time around, its time to hit the market and try something new, but while im waiting for product to become available again, what would be a good Cologne to have them approach me i had a sample of “come talk to me” only had a little and never used it at the rite time or place BUT i dont see that anymore, my initial uses are IO and IS for work (retail store) and i add some TUTH for going out, i see serious results but only if im already talking to the person I.E their with a friend of mine, anyway long story short what is a good 1 i can use to have them approach me?? and anything to get more attension while at work?? since i do work with the public and the cocktail i use now is really good, but not as good as id like it to be, oh and lastly whats the life of this stuff when u sprey it on?? ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/2 "2010-05-07T03:32:30Z")
You should definitely check out either A314 or [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), they will totally give your self esteem a boost and put a nice confident swing to your step, and as I’m sure you know, confidence is always attractive. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/3 "2010-05-07T03:55:45Z")
Dude women don’t approach men. I mean there are always exceptions to the rule but for the most part a woman’s idea of being aggressive and assertive sexual is maintaining eye contact for a few seconds and an encouraging smile. The only time you can really expect more initiative from them is if you’re value is already known and perceived to be so high that them being forward is the only chance they’ll get. IE learn to play guitar and become a multi platinum rockstar or pick up a basketball and work on your game till the NBA offers you a multi million dollar contract. These guys don’t have to open sets because women already know well in advance not only what they bring to the table, but the level of competition for them. Unless you can get a woman to believe that you are the best possible choice she can make amongst the other men around you without having to actually start a conversation with her yourself, then she might give you some IOI’s and “green lights” for YOU to approach but she’ll lose interest when you don’t and more aggressive men swoop in and show their moxy. Yeah sure you can wear a super heavy none mix and get a randy cougar to come onto you in a blatantly obvious way, but this limits your selection by quite a bit. I mean you can spray some mones before going to a bar and hope that the woman you are most interested in is the one that will be effected to such a degree that she opens set on you…and eventually have to decide if the one or two girls that can be effected to that degree are ones you even want to pursue anything with. OR you can take the initiative and open sets yourself on the women you’re actually interested in. Let the mones do what they’re actually meant to do which is enhance your game (as opposed to replacing it) and then build attraction slowly over the conversation. If you don’t have the confidence and assertiveness to open a set and take the initiative then even those few women that DO open on you instead will very quickly get a sense of your lack of confidence and lose interest. Because, for most women a man without confidence and assertiveness is of no value to them. Prehistoric women knew that if they attached themselves to the shy timid caveman that not only would they probably have shy timid children, but if they didn’t starve to death from his reluctance to go out and kill a mammoth for dinner, then they’d likely end up a big steaming pile of saber tooth tiger stool. And 100 years of social developments means absolute fuck-all compared to a couple hundred thousand years of evolutionary instinct. I’d say apply some A314 to your chin and spray a little instant shine to your upper chest/neck. Not so much for attraction but for a little self effect as they have some modest confidence boosting properties. Because even if you manage to get a woman to approach you and rescue you from having to take that risk yourself, keep in mind that’s the only woman you’ll get and you will have to settle for that one, whether you’re attracted to her or not. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/4 "2010-05-07T04:05:09Z")
Yeah sure you can wear a super heavy none mix and get a randy cougar to come onto you in a blatantly obvious way, That made me laugh..lol ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/5 "2010-05-07T04:25:04Z")
Dude it’s true, when I go crazy with the TuTH them milfy cougar types go nuts. I can’t wait to try instant jerk on some of them…but it looks like I’ll have to ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/6 "2010-05-07T04:29:08Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Dude it’s true, when I go crazy with the TuTH them milfy cougar types go nuts. I can’t wait to try instant jerk on some of them…but it looks like I’ll have to Welp, if you want the kind of girls that fall for jerks, thats your call. But I don’t want to hear you complaining about it later, lol. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/7 "2010-05-07T04:31:06Z")
the fact that it works so well (from what I’ve read) might be a statement in and of itself lol ---
**Author:** ![morphvsmeth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/morphvsmeth/32/2173_2.png) [@morphvsmeth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/morphvsmeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/8 "2010-05-07T04:39:07Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Dude women don’t approach men. I mean there are always exceptions to the rule but for the most part a woman’s idea of being aggressive and assertive sexual is maintaining eye contact for a few seconds and an encouraging smile. > The only time you can really expect more initiative from them is if you’re value is already known and perceived to be so high that them being forward is the only chance they’ll get. IE learn to play guitar and become a multi platinum rockstar or pick up a basketball and work on your game till the NBA offers you a multi million dollar contract. These guys don’t have to open sets because women already know well in advance not only what they bring to the table, but the level of competition for them. > Unless you can get a woman to believe that you are the best possible choice she can make amongst the other men around you without having to actually start a conversation with her yourself, then she might give you some IOI’s and “green lights” for YOU to approach but she’ll lose interest when you don’t and more aggressive men swoop in and show their moxy. > Yeah sure you can wear a super heavy none mix and get a randy cougar to come onto you in a blatantly obvious way, but this limits your selection by quite a bit. I mean you can spray some mones before going to a bar and hope that the woman you are most interested in is the one that will be effected to such a degree that she opens set on you…and eventually have to decide if the one or two girls that can be effected to that degree are ones you even want to pursue anything with. > > OR you can take the initiative and open sets yourself on the women you’re actually interested in. Let the mones do what they’re actually meant to do which is enhance your game (as opposed to replacing it) and then build attraction slowly over the conversation. If you don’t have the confidence and assertiveness to open a set and take the initiative then even those few women that DO open on you instead will very quickly get a sense of your lack of confidence and lose interest. Because, for most women a man without confidence and assertiveness is of no value to them. > > Prehistoric women knew that if they attached themselves to the shy timid caveman that not only would they probably have shy timid children, but if they didn’t starve to death from his reluctance to go out and kill a mammoth for dinner, then they’d likely end up a big steaming pile of saber tooth tiger stool. And 100 years of social developments means absolute fuck-all compared to a couple hundred thousand years of evolutionary instinct. > > I’d say apply some A314 to your chin and spray a little instant shine to your upper chest/neck. Not so much for attraction but for a little self effect as they have some modest confidence boosting properties. Because even if you manage to get a woman to approach you and rescue you from having to take that risk yourself, keep in mind that’s the only woman you’ll get and you will have to settle for that one, whether you’re attracted to her or not. lol damn you got pretty serious on him haha. anyway, i havent tested any products yet (tomorrow 😃) but from what i’ve read your best bet would be to use some IS to boost ur confidence and maybe some IO to kinda help set off a little conversation. but dudes right u gatta show initiative or else u think that [pheromones](https://a314.com/) are a miracle spray and they arent ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/9 "2010-05-07T04:42:59Z")
You haven’t tried them yet? Make sure you try them each out separately first, so you know what they do and how much you need, before you mix them (or in other words, find your “sweet spot” for each one). Thats one of the most important steps when you’re first using any new phero product, so that you get the most out of them and don’t waste them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![morphvsmeth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/morphvsmeth/32/2173_2.png) [@morphvsmeth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/morphvsmeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/10 "2010-05-07T04:47:26Z")
> [@Sillykitty](#): > > You haven’t tried them yet? Make sure you try them each out separately first, so you know what they do and how much you need, before you mix them (or in other words, find your “sweet spot” for each one). Thats one of the most important steps when you’re first using any new phero product, so that you get the most out of them and don’t waste them. 🙂 yeaa i no that the sucky part, theres a party tomoro and 3 different girls wanna get wit me so i wanted to try out IS, tuth, and IO but i think tryin all three my first time wouldnt be a good idea =/ ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/11 "2010-05-07T04:55:29Z")
You’re right, and I admit I can be a right windy bastard when I get going but stuff like Axe commercials and movies like Oceans 13 really give people an unrealistic idea of what these things can do. IO won’t MAKE the girl start talking to you, some might but it’s more realistic to expect that it greatly improves the odds of them being receptive when you initiate a conversation with them. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) I haven’t experienced myself yet but from what I read it can cause a little space reduction. People might feel comfortable standing closer to you than they might normally and if you’re not doing anything to repel them you might get more kino based IOI’s than usual but that’s about the extent of it. The rest is up to you. Something I read on here and learned to be true from my own experiments is that the heavier your dose or stronger your mix, the more intense your hits (a woman initiating the conversation with a total stranger based on attraction is an intense hit)…BUT the fewer and more far between your hits will be. When I wear one or two sprays of TuTH either alone or in a mix I get some good flirting and definite IOI’s that I can act on. The two occasions I wore what would be considered a TuTH overdose I had one woman almost absentmindedly fondling her own breast while we were having a conversation…at my work!..while her 13 year old son was sitting next to her. The second day I had a woman 10 minutes into a business oriented conversation blurt out that she’s looking for a husband to take care of her. Now those are about as forward and aggressive as reactions get from my experiences. But they were the ONLY two positive reactions out of the 50 plus people a day I deal with at my job. The other 98% of the people I interacted with varied from a negative reaction to no reaction at all. If I have to choose between a product or mix that will totally replace my game and make 1 woman out of a hundred so incredibly attracted that she chases me and promises to be my love slave… Or a product or mix that will give my game a little boost and have positive but more modest reactions across a wider range of women I’ll take the latter…the love slave bit I can convince them of on my own 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/12 "2010-05-07T04:57:17Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Dude it’s true, when I go crazy with the TuTH them milfy cougar types go nuts. I can’t wait to try instant jerk on some of them…but it looks like I’ll have to lol…I know it’s true that’s why its so funny, plus just saying milfy cougars is hilarious… Yeah we all have to wait. I’m not gonna complain that Ive been waiting for IG for a month 😃 Cause, Ive been jumped on for it in the past. but yeah we gotta wait. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/13 "2010-05-07T05:01:45Z")
> [@morphvsmeth](#): > > yeaa i no that the sucky part, theres a party tomoro and 3 different girls wanna get wit me so i wanted to try out IS, tuth, and IO but i think tryin all three my first time wouldnt be a good idea =/ Dude if they’re already “wanting to get with you” TuTH might be redundant. If you gotta use just one, use Shine. It’s a great all around product, I’m tempted to say it’s as good as [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) for general all around attraction. Stuff has a feel good vibe I’ve found similar to heavy doses of IO but not as chatty. People will just get a sense that you’re a charismatic and likable guy. Attraction, if it’s already there seems to be enhanced. I really don’t see any negatives to this product and given that the girls in question already know you and are interested then IO or TuTH shouldn’t be needed imo. ---
**Author:** ![morphvsmeth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/morphvsmeth/32/2173_2.png) [@morphvsmeth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/morphvsmeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/14 "2010-05-07T05:17:15Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Dude if they’re already “wanting to get with you” TuTH might be redundant. If you gotta use just one, use Shine. It’s a great all around product, I’m tempted to say it’s as good as Ammo for general all around attraction. Stuff has a feel good vibe I’ve found similar to heavy doses of IO but not as chatty. People will just get a sense that you’re a charismatic and likable guy. Attraction, if it’s already there seems to be enhanced. I really don’t see any negatives to this product and given that the girls in question already know you and are interested then IO or TuTH shouldn’t be needed imo. yea attraction is def there for me haha. im actually using them out of curiosity i actually do get a lotta girls but i came across this site and decided to make things a lil more interstin haha. i think im just ganna try shine out and see how things work out, thanks for the advice ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/15 "2010-05-07T17:22:59Z")
AMMO or IG works really well, esp if you are good looking. I have no trouble attracting girls without mones, but now, I can EASILY hook even some HOT ladies of ANY race with AMMO 😉 (add TUTH + IS + IH = game over, lol) Of course, I have other things going for me too so (ie education, job, status, money) ---
**Author:** ![bankie6784](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bankie6784](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bankie6784)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/16 "2010-05-07T22:28:12Z")
what about mixing TUTH, IS, and IH2? that a good mix? ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/17 "2010-05-07T22:34:35Z")
> [@bankie6784](#): > > what about mixing TUTH, IS, and IH2? that a good mix? That really depends on where you’re going to use it. Have you tried the products individually, are you familiar with the effects of each? Once you’ve done that, then try mixing 2 together, and see what that does. Try them in different combinations of 2. Once you’ve got that down, then try all 3 together. Careful with the TUTH though, you might want to save it for when you’re alone with a girl who’s ready for more. ---
**Author:** ![bankie6784](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bankie6784](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bankie6784)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/18 "2010-05-07T22:37:08Z")
thing is ive tried IS and IH together and noticed very very very SUBTLE results…and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with TUTH…i dont get it ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/19 "2010-05-07T22:44:24Z")
> [@bankie6784](#): > > thing is ive tried IS and IH together and noticed very very very SUBTLE results…and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with TUTH…i dont get it Feel free to go crazy with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) then reduce the dosage to a more resonable level. Shine is impossible to overdose on. IH I find makes connections stronger between people. You can almost literally feel it sometimes. TUTH is something that I don’t think should be used unless you know attraction is already there. Some people have more success with it than me, but ammo makes a good replacement for it if your looking for general attraction. Instant Shine by itself can and will give you plenty of hits too. Everyone likes to be around someone they find makes them happy. Alot of people underestimate the power if the “socials.” ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lack-of-confidence/38403/20 "2010-05-08T14:43:24Z")
> [@](#): > > **RADMAN513** > the heavier your dose or stronger your mix, the more intense your hits (a woman initiating the conversation with a total stranger based on attraction is an intense hit)…BUT the fewer and more far between your hits will be. That is so fooking true! I remember this girl go crazy with the IOI’s and introduce her self to me and her just being so into me from the get go! Without me doing anything apart from touching her on the shoulder showing her how cold my hands are! she was very hot, I mean like beautiful. High Quality, Model material. I was so shocked I didn’t even act on my impulses! I was like …WOW. It was so pheromones. But it is true what you say when you wear a strong mix, the hits are few and far between, but mega Intense when it happens. Ahhhh man it was awesome, I got get out more!!! LOL.