# layering/diffusion **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 15, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229 "2017-06-15T12:48:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rtj666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rtj666](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rtj666)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/1 "2017-06-15T12:48:52Z")
I’ve always used scented mones in the past from AD, but with stealth products is it recommended to put the mones on first THEN a cologne on top, or have them in separate areas? 😕 With layering. do you put the mones on first then the cologne, or (again) keep them separate? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/2 "2017-06-15T15:19:15Z")
There are different opinions on this one. Me personally I don’t like layering because I feel like I’m just burying mones. I’m not sure I would say one way is better than the other but that it just changes the effects or rate of effects. ---
**Author:** ![rtj666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rtj666](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rtj666)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/3 "2017-06-15T15:25:26Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > There are different opinions on this one. > Me personally I don’t like layering because I feel like I’m just burying mones. > I’m not sure I would say one way is better than the other but that it just changes the effects or rate of effects. Yeah… that’s kinda what I was wondering. Does one mone overwrite the other, or do they mingle? HOW do they mingle? Does one affect the others properties when they mix? What about the single mone and cologne? Keep them separate, or can they layer? If so, which one goes on top of which? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/4 "2017-06-15T15:27:26Z")
You can go and test both and find out which will suit you better. Just like Jdub said, A lot of community members have attested to the effectivity of both. Just look at it as options. That way, it will serve as an assurance that if the first one did not give off the best output, you still have one application technique up in your sleeve. 🙂 About layering, it is generally understood here that it’s about spraying one over one. Just let the first spray dry first before spraying the next layer. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/5 "2017-06-15T15:33:47Z")
Now to understand the effect, one has to go and complete the individual sweetspot hunt first. Otherwise, you can go on combining molecules via layering and fail to understand what’s the combined effect. It’s like fixing yourself a coffee. If you know your sweetspot for each molecule, you will know the exact amount of sugar, coffee and water you are going to mix to make your desired coffee. ---
**Author:** ![rtj666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rtj666](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rtj666)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/6 "2017-06-15T15:49:20Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > Now to understand the effect, one has to go and complete the individual sweetspot hunt first. Is that a sweet spot per mone, or a sweet spot for all mones? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/7 "2017-06-15T21:54:53Z")
> [@rtj666](#): > > Is that a sweet spot per mone, or a sweet spot for all mones? 😕 Both. It’s whatever dosage gives the effects you want, whether it’s one mone or a combination. ---
**Author:** ![rtj666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rtj666](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rtj666)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/8 "2017-06-16T09:21:33Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Both. > It’s whatever dosage gives the effects you want, whether it’s one mone or a combination. But by ‘sweet spot’ I mean the placement of the mones. Do some mones only work when you have them in your particular sweet spot, or is one sweet spot good for any mone(s)? Like most things, I might be over thinking this. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/9 "2017-06-16T12:11:52Z")
> [@rtj666](#): > > But by ‘sweet spot’ I mean the placement of the mones. Do some mones only work when you have them in your particular sweet spot, or is one sweet spot good for any mone(s)? > > Like most things, I might be over thinking this. 😃 Sweet spot = dosage I.e. “My sweet spot for ammo is 1 spray 1x” Or “My sweet spot for p97 is 15mcg” However, placement I should important. You’ll have more self effects if you wear on your neck vs on your wrist.. etc. ---
**Author:** ![rtj666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rtj666](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rtj666)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/10 "2017-06-16T12:40:23Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Sweet spot = dosage > I.e. > “My sweet spot for ammo is 1 spray 1x” > Or > “My sweet spot for p97 is 15mcg” > > However, placement I should important. You’ll have more self effects if you wear on your neck vs on your wrist.. etc. Ah. Right. It’s just me picking up the lingo wrong. I thought ‘sweet spot’ was where the mones were applied. But, yes, I suppose the placement can matter too. I suppose hand/wrist placement is only any good to spread the cloud with? But, again, possibly me over thinking: putting it on the neck means the target needs to be closer? Someone needs to write a user manual for these pheremone things! 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/11 "2017-06-17T14:57:13Z")
As far as app points I would not overthink it to much. To keep things simple just I would consider the mones that you want to effect other more with than yourself like IH. I would place the ones that you want to draw people in with more on your hands/back of wrists. I tend to put more the social/comforting mones here to draw people in. Then the mones with good self effects like ISHine I tend to wear close so it helps me be happier and helps with my mood. I tend to wear the more hard hitting sexuals closer like my neck/chest area to. This is just what I do and there is no right or wrong and really it comes down to what works best for you and I would no put to much emphasis on this. Now with the scent or not scent I find this is all about what you really like or want. Lately I have been playing around with the stealth and have been using ADG as a cover scent with really good luck. For me I find when my targets like the scent I have on from the cologne it draws them in and they breath deeper and the [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) hit them so much harder. A good cologne will actually help the pheromones work more effectively than without IMO. I would test the pheromones first and make sure you have whatever you are tested dialed in first. Then once you have this done then test with a good cover scent and the main thing with this is to have a decent quality cover and not some cheap version with a bunch of anti-bacterial ingredients in it that will mess with the pheromones. Now the only ones I have found that clash with a cover are the FF/21 Ammo and the FF/20 Himalayan or Akuto scents. I would be careful of using a cover with these scents. Also if using with oils definitely keep the app points separate because the oils and the sprays will clash if they are used together. I would spray the mones first and then wait a few minutes and let dry down, then your cover over them. I have been testing putting my cover first and then spraying my mones over to see what I get, but don’t have enough tests in to report on this yet. I hope this helps and just telling you what has worked for me. ---
**Author:** ![rtj666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rtj666](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rtj666)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/12 "2017-06-17T15:11:21Z")
Thanks. That’s a great help. I’m back at work Tuesday next week where I hope to experiment with a non-AD product (that begins with an X) and some cologne. Probably just one spray to try things out. Will report back on it in my journal post. [forum is censoring out the name of the non-AD product :rolleyes:] ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/13 "2017-06-19T08:05:19Z")
> [@rtj666](#): > > [forum is censoring out the name of the non-AD product :rolleyes:] We are just manning our backyard. We do not host other products’ reviews. I would advise you to post it instead to the forum being run by that product’s producers. It may help them. It won’t help us. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 9:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/layering-diffusion/67229/14 "2017-06-19T09:57:36Z")
> [@rtj666](#): > > Someone needs to write a user manual for these pheremone things! 😃 😃 That’s more or less just what this forum is..! Nothing will reward you more than some time spent searching questions and reading. 😃 Also, the stickies at the top of this forum cover the basics very well indeed - and most of what’s in them also holds good for other companies products. And if you do search, you will fond several pretty comprehensive attempts at phero guides/intros by various users - The only thing to bear in mind is that they are not completely up to date and some products are no longer curren/some of the links may have died.