# Learnings of a Twisted Ostrich **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [October 7, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076 "2009-10-07T17:28:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/81 "2010-06-18T16:20:55Z")
So I got very mixed results on my first trial of P86, but I believe the P86 helped me threw it. But I think introducing a mix of Bnols and P83 created a level of insecurity and negative honesty from our previous fight that wasn’t good for the relationship. I will have to be careful with Bnols when making up after a fight. **Test 33** : P86 Introduction with P83 and bnols minus [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) **Application** - 6pm 2x A314 P95 2x @10mcg p83 2x @10mcg P86 2x @20mcg none @ 7.5mcg TAC @ 20mcg **Situation** After the previous two nights of fighting I was coming over to make up and set things right. I used A314 instead of P75 to give me a little extra confidence. I also wanted some more closeness and tried using Bnols for the first time. It was also my first try with P86 which I decided to mix with P83. **Result** The evening started with my gf being distant. I could tell she had decided not to be touchy feely until things were straightened out. The distance went on for about 20min, I sould see she was aroused by my presence but still frustrated at the situation. Essentially she wants to get into a very serious relationship but without consideration to my situation or that we have only been together for a short while. She is also upset that she has to tolerate little things in my personality and situation that she doesn’t like and gets her angry. She decided that day that her anger issues were my fault. (in the past she promised to help her self, this time she was honest in how she felt… complete 180 turn on the situation). So we talked about it over supper, I was clam about is while she got frustrated. Her end conclusion was that we shouldn’t talk about it again. Her angered stated immediately returned to friendly and we molested each other. She was abit more physical and sensual, playing with my hand and body. Afterwords we were in a cheerful mood, she commented on her birthday coming up with a little concern. Then I changed the topic to my family and how we have done so well with living healthy. This upset her again saying that I was insensitive about her family and how they are no longer around, nothing could help them. Its very sad, how she was hurt at a young age loosing her father. Then recently with her mother and brother. So even being positive on the topic that with good knowledge on health its still upsetting. She doesn’t trust me on the topic of health apparently. I was then reexamined as to if I am a good mate with her listing all the quality’s of a provider that she wants and that she is un sure of me. Then focusing on all my negative attributes. (We have talked about this many times before me being younger then her). Then being insecure about finding a guy and not wanting to start all over. The rest of the night ended with her being confused and asking me to treat things like when we first started dating, focus on having fun. **Comments** I will be trying P86 again tonight but with my more traditional masculine mix I usually use which includes P75. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/82 "2010-07-12T03:03:34Z")
Nothing but good results with P86 and I’ve taken some notes on it, but still fighting with my gf and the emotional toll is distracting from any constructive writing. I’ll see if everything gets straightened out this week. But it defenetly goes to show you that products here do work, they do send the right signals. But if someone has something on there mind, or an inclination towards some sort of behaviour its still going to come out… ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/83 "2010-07-23T16:03:45Z")
So after having computer problems for the past few weeks, I bought a laptop! Should allow me to get on here more At the same time I’ve sorted out alot of things with my gf. For the most part we kept fighting and fighting to the point that she was becoming outrageous. She realized it and promised to stop. Since then she’s been on good behavior, and I’ve been able to resume testing without having to overdose on comforting mones. My best mix for the moment is very conductive for a relationship. It includes: 5-10mcg of none 10mcg of bnol 10-20mcg of P95 40mcg of p86 This mix I find is very playful, visually stimulating, enhances closeness, and highly sexual. I find she still comments on the none up to 2 days later saying its “settled on me nicely” I can make variations of this for different scenarios such as replacing none with 5mcg of p75 and 50mcg of meo for during period time. This keeps my masculinity but reduces irritation between us while maintaining closeness. P95 is added to the mix as I feel it adds an uplifting effect like instant shine but with more of a focus. Whenever I wear P86 I get compliments from my gf on my looks, like a dream like aurora. If I spray it on my chest I get the effects too, as if my gf skin is extra smooth. Which is interesting as the only thing I knew about P86 before buying is that it’s sexual and goes with P83. I find with P83 that it can sometimes bring out some elements of paranoia like accusing me of infidelity even though I am very loyal. So I usually prefer to just use P86. We can’t keep our hands off each other even without P83 so isn’t really required. At some point I would like to add [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) to the mix for when we go out, and maybe get her a few women’s products to soften the edges. I think the most fascinating occurrence in the past month happened lying in bed with my gf. After putting 5mcg of my new bottle of none on my chest, my gf couldn’t stop sniffing it saying I love this musky smell of mine. Soon after she also had her nose in my armpit saying she loves that smell even more! I guess she likes my scent too ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/84 "2010-08-21T22:54:18Z")
For the past few weeks I’ve been in and out of turmoil in my relationship. But I believe the mones have assisted in a few different ways. For one, I’ve made a very strong and lasting impression. My gf has said many times she’s never really cared so much with others she’s been with as she does with me. At the same time too, when she gets very irritated, she won’t let her self leave me. We have gotten into so many fights and so many times we both have been given advice to leave each other and it doesn’t happen! I believe we have come to a stale mate in the fighting, we both spoke the other night on how we are both very critical of each other because we care about each other so much. At the time I was recollecting on some of the issues that can trouble me about her and how in my last ex I didn’t care at all. It’s because we care so much that we fight! So I feel a very strong bond has been made, one in which I’ve never seen before. I decided to see if things can work out with us, and I feel that in the past few weeks it has been getting better. Currently I put on a calming sexual mix. I find that it is very sexual. 2x 20mcg p86 2x 25mcg meo 2x 10mcg B-nol 2x 2.5mcg none I usually put this on just before entering my gf house. Within about 10-20min I’m usually complemented on smelling really good followed by fondling. When I received p86 not so long ago I noticed its effects right away. I wouldn’t say things are airbrushed but I did feel it brought an appreciation for beauty, a romantic vibe when used in this mix. Makes us want to just stare at each other. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/85 "2010-08-23T18:08:13Z")
So I was planning a new test with mx297 and P86. For the first time in a few months I was planning to go out with my gf to a club. But it was pouring that night and we decided not to go out. But I’ll still report on it anyways. I used.. 2x Mx297 2x P86 @20mcg 2x none @2.5mcg from 4 hours earlier I found that we were much more upbeat then usual. This was a good test bucase in the past we have found that we would perfer to just stay home and not get excited about going out. With this mic though were we getting pumped to go out. When we discoved it was raining hard we were disapointed in not being about to go out (very different) then an hour later noticed the rain was slowing down. We were starting to get ready again! But then decided it was too late to go out. I have tried [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) before with my ex almost a year ago now and I found I was on top of the world when using it but not that much reaction from her. This new reaction is ver ineresting and I think I will try using it more offten if I’m in the mood to go out 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/86 "2010-08-24T14:44:06Z")
Unfortunatly I spoke too soon, seems shes on dating sites now ☹ ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/87 "2010-08-24T19:58:21Z")
Well the good news - P96 and [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) are on there way! I never thought I’d see the day and even though I have great sadness right now, it inspires me to think that I have something new to test that can bring goodness. The continuation of the bad which is somewhat getting better. GF says sorry about looking for other guys and that she is confused right now. I reminded her that you either choose to be with me or choose not to be, and after all we have been though I’m at my wits end. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/88 "2010-08-30T18:14:16Z")
So now I’m in the process of trading [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) for a bottle of spaceland. It never really mixed with me, and spaceland would be interesting addition to things like P86 and see what comes of it. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/89 "2010-09-13T21:12:53Z")
Hey everyone, so I’ve had some turmoil with my testing… Even though I explained what I’m using and doing in the start of my relationship, my gf started looking around in my computer for dirt on me. After finding out my browsing history was clean she then started asking questions about the forum and insisted on reading it, Spanish inquisition style. After reading my Journal she decided to call everything witchcraft if it even works at all and didn’t want me to use it around her. So I’ll respect that, I’ll see if I can just test strictly at work. Meanwhile lets see how our chemistry is together without any mixes, that will be the new test… ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/90 "2010-09-15T00:54:41Z")
I just finished my trade and got a bottle of spaceland, I would like to do some office tests with it and perhaps P126. Or maybe I’ll mix it with some more focus related elements to see the results. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/91 "2010-09-23T15:03:02Z")
**Test 34** : Spaceland at work **Application** - 10am 3 x Spaceland 2 x P126 @10mcg 1 x TAL @10mcg **Situation** My work at a job agency recently put me on the phones more so talking to candidates. The office has been very stressful lately and felt that maybe I could try some mixes with Spaceland to help. I added some P126 to spice things up, meanwhile some TAL for focus. My office has 1 male co-worker/close friend(26), 2 other male bosses (25, 29) and 1 female boss (23) all within a few feet of me (all european). **Result** This test is ongoing as I am typing. I applied just before stepping into the office. TAF and P126 sprayed to opposite sides of my neck and Spaceland to my leg. I don’t want its smell traced to me. First thing my co-worker commented “hey, I smell cologne!” but he couldn’t find where it came from. Thus far I have been working for 30min, lots of calls by phone and I’m less irritated by them. I have been very nonchalant. The first 20 min I was a bit light headed, sometimes I had to think harder to answer questions on the phone but for the most part I’m on top of it now. More to come ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/92 "2010-09-23T17:29:13Z")
> [@ValiantPursuit](#): > > **Test 34** : Spaceland at work > > **Application** - 10am > > 3 x Spaceland > 2 x P126 @10mcg > 1 x TAL @10mcg > > **Situation** > My work at a job agency recently put me on the phones more so talking to candidates. The office has been very stressful lately and felt that maybe I could try some mixes with Spaceland to help. > > I added some P126 to spice things up, meanwhile some TAL for focus. > > My office has 1 male co-worker/close friend 2 other male bosses and 1 female boss all within a few feet of me. > > **Result** At the one hour mark I was still quit care free, I wasn’t as pissed at people on the phone as much but for the most part I didn’t put up with as much. Yesterday was very stressfull but today eveyone seems quite happy and not pressing on anything. At the 2 hour mark its not as hard to focous as it was initially, but I am feeling the P126 in which I’m more prone to care free quick decision making which could also be the Spaceland. I’m also making more typos then usual and stuck for words as I’m typing this. But definitly more ease in talking to people on the phone. At the 3 hour mark is much the same, not much stress from the office as of yet. There is a special phone line for out of our area we can’t seem to get workng but we are all still very reaxed about it. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/93 "2010-09-23T19:37:09Z")
After about 4 hours I don’t belive there are any more effects, interesting day I belive went well. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/94 "2010-09-24T15:36:41Z")
**Test 35** : Spaceland at work round 2 **without P126** **Application** - 10am 3 x Spaceland **Situation** _My work at a job agency recently put me on the phones more so talking to candidates. The office has been very stressful lately and felt that maybe I could try some mixes with Spaceland to help._ This time I wanted to try without P126 and TAF, I have used spaceland before a few months ago and it wasn’t as intense as using it with P126. **Result** This test is ongoing as I am typing. So it’s been about an hour since I applied, same situation as yesterday. I find that I am at ease but the loss of thought and light headedness is no longer present. I’m not as nonchalant either. I believe P126 definitely intensified spaceland, almost to the point of drunkenness, and TAF may have made it more bearable. I may have to try with different combinations and see what are optimal amounts and if TAF is actually assisting in anything. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/95 "2010-09-27T16:44:36Z")
**Test 36** : [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) first try **Application** - 9am 2x P74 @10mcg **Situation** _So I Just received a bottle of P74 (thanks for the other free gifts Jacob!!) and applied it just before going to work. I haven’t read anything on this one other then it is popular._ **Result** I applied just before going to work. When I did in the first 10min I had the urge to organize my laundry. Was abit strange as I usually get to the by the end of the week. On top of this I was already rushing to get to work. But felt really good getting it organized. Walking down the stairs I felt very uplifted thinking in my head “TA DA!!!” as if presenting my self to the world radiating happiness. I hopped into my car and drove to work. I continued to have the TA DA!! feeling. The effects seemed to last about 2 hours until the usual drone of work killed that buzz lol. I didn’t see much change from my co-workers besides the fact they didn’t seem as irritated as usual. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/96 "2010-09-28T18:28:50Z")
SO I’ve had the chance to use pheromones through 2 relationships now and I’m accumulating thoughts on it. Currently in my relationship I was told not to use them with her anymore… so the new test is how the relationship fairs without them. We have for the most part reduced arguing by a lot, 70% reduction. What I believe at this point is that pheromones can help as an attractant factor. By which I mean giving you an edge over other potential mates. When first dating I do belive this helped me to be ‘different’ from the rest! But when it comes to having an ongoing relationship, always having this ‘attractant factor’ becomes overbearing depending on the personality type of the significant other. In my case my women is very emotionally charged where the use of pheromones may provoke those emotions. Her emotions were always an extreme of either great happiness or great anger. To this day she likes my natural scent, commenting on it once and a while. My none output must still be quite high. I could just imagine by adding more how much this could push the relationship in one direction or another. As I have seen before, too much of anything can be a bad thing! I still do believe that what Androtics offers here is remarkable and will keep testing in more business settings for things like respect, focus, enjoyment etc. I’ll be having some job interviews soon using some A314 and Bnols 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/97 "2010-10-13T00:57:20Z")
Well it may have been good behavior or wishful thinking, but were back to fighting again. It’s even to the point we have tried to break up with each other twice in one day where as it used to be once every 3 days. But in the end she doesn’t want to end it, no matter how convinced we are that we aren’t good together. Now were off to counseling, but I have read up on this a little bit. I found this link to be helpful in understanding what’s going on. She has an Anxious or preoccupied relationship style. As a result I’m thinking I don’t have much experience dealing with this which results in conflict. [click here](http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/relationship-issues/attachment-styles.html) if you want to read ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/98 "2010-10-13T02:05:11Z")
Great reporting style. thanks for sharing your experiences with mones. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/99 "2010-10-19T17:05:08Z")
> [@Joe10](#): > > Great reporting style. thanks for sharing your experiences with mones. Thanks Joe, I appreciate it. I think now I’m in some semi relationship with my GF where we have agreed we love eachother but arn’t good for eachother. She has a POF account now and is looking for someone else. With her anxious relationship style she can’t stand to be single. She did this with her last BF when she met me, oh well.☹ I would try to fix things but we hurt eachother mentaly just as much as we love. Her reactions to seemly normal opinions, comments and situations are outragious. Even after promising not to. So while shes out fishing, I’ll stick around if shes nice to me… Its been an emotional past few days, but I plan to test a few things at work again + I will need to negotiate my gym membership, I’ll make a special mix for that heheh 😉 ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/100 "2010-10-23T02:17:30Z")
> [@ValiantPursuit](#): > > Thanks Joe, I appreciate it. > > I think now I’m in some semi relationship with my GF where we have agreed we love eachother but arn’t good for eachother. She has a POF account now and is looking for someone else. With her anxious relationship style she can’t stand to be single. She did this with her last BF when she met me, oh well.☹ I would try to fix things but we hurt eachother mentaly just as much as we love. Her reactions to seemly normal opinions, comments and situations are outragious. Even after promising not to. So while shes out fishing, I’ll stick around if shes nice to me… > > Its been an emotional past few days, but I plan to test a few things at work again + I will need to negotiate my gym membership, I’ll make a special mix for that heheh 😉 Hi ValiantPursuit! I’ve been catching up on your thread! Sorry to hear about the emotional roller coaster ride… Though, I wanted you to know, that I enjoy your comments and thought processes when describing mones and your interactions with others. Thanks for keeping it real! Waiting to see what if you get a free membership with your mix!🙂 Now, I’ll get updates on when your posts! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076.md?page=6)