# Less male? And urine smell? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 24, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445 "2009-02-24T21:42:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![striker9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@striker9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/striker9)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/1 "2009-02-24T21:42:49Z")
Alpha androstenone (turn of the heat, ammunition) - does it only work when women are ovulating? And does it really can cause agression in women? And it really depends on the blood? Because i’m O so i should me producing more. - and it smells like urine and women notice this? (i’ve readed a manual here in the forum) - this is more a concern with turn up the heat androstenols (instant openess, instant honesty) - androstenol can be feminine and decrease your masculine presence \_\_ is this really like this? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/2 "2009-02-24T21:55:48Z")
Fire can destroy whole forests, cause all the skin to peel off your face and cook angel food cake. Just depends on the user. And yes indeed, it’s really like this. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/3 "2009-02-24T22:06:37Z")
> [@striker9](#): > > Alpha androstenone (turn of the heat, ammunition) > > - does it only work when women are ovulating? And does it really can cause agression in women? And it really depends on the blood? Because i’m O so i should me producing more. > > - and it smells like urine and women notice this? (i’ve readed a manual here in the forum) - this is more a concern with turn up the heat > > androstenols (instant openess, instant honesty) > > - androstenol can be feminine and decrease your masculine presence > > \_\_ > > is this really like this? Nope to all of the above. To me, androstenone doesn’t smell like urine, at least of the human sort. It smells like an intermingling of male cat piss and workout armpit. However, some men lack the receptor to smell it and thus only smell the carrier (alcohol). Both androstenone and androstenol occur naturally in human males and females. The diff is men tend to produce more androstenone than women. For men, androstenol communicates a message of “healthy,” “youth” and friendliness. It ain’t feminine in and of itself. That’s your job. If you want to appear feminine pouring on the androstenol won’t work. Try shaving your legs and wearing a skirt. In the same way, androstenone on a woman doesn’t make her masculine. Androstenone effects women 24/7. How it effects her depends on you, her mood/preferences and point in the mensural cycle. If she’s not into you, nothing else matters as no amount of androstenone will change her mind. But, yep, women are said to be most receptive to androstenone during ovulation. ---
**Author:** ![striker9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@striker9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/striker9)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/4 "2009-02-24T22:19:06Z")
Thanks for the great answers! I just was in doubt because of what i have readed here: > [@Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159): > > Ok. Feel free to correct any errors I may have made. This took forever to write, so I hope you like it. Chapter 1 Alpha Androstenone: In the forum this is commonly referred to as –none or none. It is a hormone produced in men and women’s sweat. (significantly less if women) “Androstenone is the first mammalian pheromone to be identified.” ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone)) Androstenone has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability cause irr… ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/5 "2009-02-25T01:44:10Z")
> [@striker9](#): > > - and it smells like urine and women notice this? (i’ve readed a manual here in the forum) - this is more a concern with turn up the heat Like Geoggi hinted at it seems that not everyone detects androstenone the same way; some detect it as stinky, some detect it as pleasant, and others can not detect the scent of it at all. Just try to make certain that you have a good cover while wearing the stuff and you should be fine. > [@striker9](#): > > androstenols (instant openess, instant honesty) > > - androstenol can be feminine and decrease your masculine presence I have been known to regularly wear androstenol heavy mixes and I really can’t say that I have noted it gives off a feminine vibe. Friendly and upbeat yes, girly and effeminate not so much. ---
**Author:** ![striker9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@striker9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/striker9)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/6 "2009-02-25T02:03:16Z")
so can i use a good parfum, like hugo boss. that won’t cover the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) effect?? > [@SoulCreator](#): > > Like Geoggi hinted at it seems that not everyone detects androstenone the same way; some detect it as stinky, some detect it as pleasant, and others can not detect the scent of it at all. Just try to make certain that you have a good cover while wearing the stuff and you should be fine. > > I have been known to regularly wear androstenol heavy mixes and I really can’t say that I have noted it gives off a feminine vibe. Friendly and upbeat yes, girly and effeminate not so much. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/7 "2009-02-25T03:29:44Z")
> [@striker9](#): > > so can i use a good parfum, like hugo boss. > > that won’t cover the pheromone effect?? Yes you can use what ever scent you like and the good news is that the scent will not cancel out the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). In fact it has been theorized that cover scents help with pheromone distribution, so wearing a good cover scent may actually increase the effectiveness of your pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/8 "2009-02-25T04:22:09Z")
I can smell Androstenone and it doesn’t smell like piss. It smells like highly concentrated industrial toxic waste. Blech! Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/9 "2009-02-25T06:40:52Z")
> [@](#): > > And does it really can cause agression in women? I would say it causes aggression in men not women. It causes arousal in women. I find the arousal to be strong around the time of ovulation but it pretty much effect myself and my friends who have been exposed to it to some extent all cycle. I love the smell myself. Smells Masculine but everybody seems to perceive the scent differently. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/10 "2009-02-25T06:57:19Z")
While wearing OD doses of NPA my date became angry and then extremely horny, so it can bring out a form of aggression in some women. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/11 "2009-02-25T07:03:38Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > While wearing OD doses of NPA my date became angry and then extremely horny, so it can bring out a form of aggression in some women. I guess you can say that’s a form of aggression. It makes me cranky as well at to high a dose and come to think of it I am more aggressive sexually because of the horniness so I revise my first statement a little. It can inspire women to pursue sex more aggressively around the right personality. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/12 "2009-02-25T08:21:54Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I guess you can say that’s a form of aggression. It makes me cranky as well at to high a dose and come to think of it I am more aggressive sexually because of the horniness so I revise my first statement a little. It can inspire women to pursue sex more aggressively around the right personality. > > Tisha That was my problem when wearing it, women tend to pretend to ignore me and when they see that i dont give a rats they then bump, abuse and ultimately use me or try to Sometimes i do give in. Yeah i know, i guess im weak, cant always win. Now that i have learned to cut my heavy Androstenone usage and use some socials the girls that now approach me are less Alpha in their nature and far more helpful, i would go so far as to say that they seem like a more sofisticated, spiritual and enlightened type. I just have to remember to have a shower after my workouts otherwise all hell breaks loose with female wildcats pouncing from all directions. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/13 "2009-02-25T08:39:20Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > While wearing OD doses of NPA my date became angry and then extremely horny, so it can bring out a form of aggression in some women. I just get rock hard shoulder muscles and neck muscles and anxiety attacks around too much of it. Even mid month it doesn’t do much for me. I’ve never gotten the irritable effect or anger effect. Some of the other masculine molecules are much better for me. P80 comes to mind… arousing any time, and the only effect of too much (so far) has been a tendency to have adrenaline rushes the next day - no anxiety, and no pain from rock shoulders and neck. Diane ---
**Author:** ![striker9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@striker9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/striker9)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/less-male-and-urine-smell/26445/14 "2009-02-25T13:51:18Z")
eheh that’s an good agression 😃 So i see it’s better to always use a parfum with pheromones, to don’t take the risk. I thought people would not notice pheromones if they were “mixed” with a parfum but if it’s even better that’s great.