# Let's explore the "Crush Effect" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 6, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180 "2011-11-06T23:00:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/1 "2011-11-06T23:00:15Z")
I’ve seen this description come up several times, especially in discussions of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). Yet a search of this forum only shows that everyone seems to know what it means - except me. We’ve explored DIHL and I can understand that but perhaps I’m too far past adolescence to remember “crushes” on members of the opposite sex. I think it might refer to a female having a strong physical attraction (“You’re yummy!”) but mixed with longing and even respect. I’d guess that this means that **you’ve hit her hypergamy button in a sexually stimulating way.** Now that would be a goal worth pursuing since it means moving through disinhibitation should be relatively smooth and easy. Anyway, that’s my theory. Anyone want to riff off it? For my next swanky cocktail lounge adventure, I’m thinking of NPA or IJ to my chest, a dab of NPA to each wrist covered by P83, and maybe a shot of P83 to the top of my head. The wrist dose is for waving under her nose while we sip our cocktails. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/2 "2011-11-07T04:01:23Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > I think it might refer to a female having a strong physical attraction (“You’re yummy!”) but mixed with longing and even respect. > > I’d guess that this means that **you’ve hit her hypergamy button in a sexually stimulating way.** I think you hit it spot on with this. What I remember from having a crush on a member of the oppiste sex is the feeling that you need to be with that person, strong enough that you can’t get them off of your mind no matter how hard you try. So [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) does this? I have been trying to find a mone that could do this, since it is a very powerful effect. What guy doesn’t want to meet a hot girl at a club, get her number and have her longing to be with him and can’t get him out of her mind when they leave, makes it all the better when you actually call her. Great post! ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/3 "2011-11-07T06:03:57Z")
Dude you don’t get crushes on anyone? Loosen up, live a little. Let your freak flag fly, let your emotions run free, let your inner dumplings tilt & wiggle. Having a crush is just feeling sweet on someone, drawn to them, groovy with their vibes and spongy with their juicy goodness. The heart goes pitter patter and the stomach goes butterflies. In psychoanalytic terms, they have become an idealized self-object, reflecting more your own hopes and dreams of narcissistic fulfillment than the features of a common mortal. Because they’re just so dreamy, you know? To me, the effects of p83 do not resemble this state. The closest I’ve come is a mix I termed “The Crush,” consisting of a1, androstenetrione, beta-androstenol, and pregnenolone. Groovy stuff. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/4 "2011-11-07T06:12:59Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Dude you don’t get crushes on anyone? Loosen up, live a little. Let your freak flag fly, let your emotions run free, let your inner dumplings tilt & wiggle. > > Having a crush is just feeling sweet on someone, drawn to them, groovy with their vibes and spongy with their juicy goodness. The heart goes pitter patter and the stomach goes butterflies. In psychoanalytic terms, they have become an idealized self-object, reflecting more your own hopes and dreams of narcissistic fulfillment than the features of a common mortal. Because they’re just so dreamy, you know? > > To me, the effects of p83 do not resemble this state. The closest I’ve come is a mix I termed “The Crush,” consisting of a1, androstenetrione, beta-androstenol, and pregnenolone. Groovy stuff. Sounds like an interesting but expensive mix, might have to try this one. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 6:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/5 "2011-11-07T06:27:23Z")
Yeah, it’ll take a bit of elbow grease if you want to give that one a try. To this day the only source for Androstenetrione that I know of is to dissolve & dilute your own from supplement capsules. Some say it resembles p86, which I haven’t tried. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/6 "2011-11-07T07:04:36Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Yeah, it’ll take a bit of elbow grease if you want to give that one a try. To this day the only source for Androstenetrione that I know of is to dissolve & dilute your own from supplement capsules. > > Some say it resembles p86, which I haven’t tried. I have heard around that even A1 alone can create the crush effect. I was thinking of this mix. A1, IO/IH, [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/), with some IS thrown in. Heard some good things about MX297 so I think that would be good to add into the mix. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/7 "2011-11-07T12:00:22Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > I was thinking of this mix. A1, IO/IH, MX297, with some IS thrown in. Heard some good things about MX297 so I think that would be good to add into the mix. Get some none into that mix, or you are headed straight into the friendzone. A1 and [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) together may be amazingly social/charasmatic but far too comforting/best-friendy without it! Unless you are going for very young women? And personally, compared to P83 I’ve experienced far better crush effects from A1 mixes, or IH/P74 - both need repeated exposure. ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/8 "2011-11-07T12:27:48Z")
Ghostees crush mix 3 sprays IG 50 mcg meo est 25 mcg A1 1 spray IO 1x 1 spray IH 1x 30 mcg p83 Works best on women 18-25 and may take a few exposures but this mix is dynamite 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/9 "2011-11-07T12:47:26Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Yeah, it’ll take a bit of elbow grease if you want to give that one a try. To this day the only source for Androstenetrione that I know of is to dissolve & dilute your own from supplement capsules. > > Some say it resembles p86, which I haven’t tried. interesting, dbot. care to elaborate what each of pregnenolone and trione do by themselves? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/10 "2011-11-07T13:57:42Z")
Ah yes, they are two very interesting molecules. Pregnenolone is a remarkably consistent mood elevator with strong attractive and light sexual properties. It makes people feel happy to be around you. When paired with a-nol, it makes people feel happy to talk with you. This effect can be amazingly pronounced. Pregnenolone (or “neno” as I have come to refer to it) is perhaps my single all-time favorite molecule. It is versatile, predictable, and universally positive. I have worn it by itself many times. Androstenetrione is somewhat more complicated and brooding. I have referred to it as Instant Soul. It seems to awaken a deep artistic longing and sense for beauty. This one can be a bit too moody for me at times. The rationale for my crush mix was: a1 for love, trione for beauty, bnol for intimacy, and neno for happiness. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/11 "2011-11-07T17:23:56Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Ah yes, they are two very interesting molecules. > > Pregnenolone is a remarkably consistent mood elevator with strong attractive and light sexual properties. It makes people feel happy to be around you. When paired with a-nol, it makes people feel happy to talk with you. This effect can be amazingly pronounced. Pregnenolone (or “neno” as I have come to refer to it) is perhaps my single all-time favorite molecule. It is versatile, predictable, and universally positive. I have worn it by itself many times. > > Androstenetrione is somewhat more complicated and brooding. I have referred to it as Instant Soul. It seems to awaken a deep artistic longing and sense for beauty. This one can be a bit too moody for me at times. Do you think pregnenolone is TAA? Pago included some androstenetrione (I believe) as a gift to me, I’ll have to try it out. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/12 "2011-11-07T17:39:59Z")
I’ve never used TAA solo, only as a part of instant shine, but I’d say it’s very unlikely that it’s neno. IS never did much for me at all. IIRC, some have compared neno to p78, but I haven’t tested that one yet, although I have some lying around. It’s also been compared to p104. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/13 "2011-11-07T21:37:03Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Get some none into that mix, or you are headed straight into the friendzone. A1 and MX297 together may be amazingly social/charasmatic but far too comforting/best-friendy without it! Unless you are going for very young women? > > And personally, compared to P83 I’ve experienced far better crush effects from A1 mixes, or IH/P74 - both need repeated exposure. The girls I am going for range from about 18 to 22 at the oldest. And I have some AMMO so I can throw that into the mix as well. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/14 "2011-11-07T22:02:53Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > In psychoanalytic terms, they have become an idealized self-object, reflecting more your own hopes and dreams of narcissistic fulfillment than the features of a common mortal. This is a philosobomb. So good. > [@dbot](#): > > I’ve never used TAA solo, only as a part of instant shine, but I’d say it’s very unlikely that it’s neno. IS never did much for me at all. > > IIRC, some have compared neno to p78, but I haven’t tested that one yet, although I have some lying around. It’s also been compared to p104. Thats interesting that IS never did much for you.. Given your descriptions of TAA, I was almost sure it must be. It’s nice that mones are in such small mu in doses, neno isn’t expensive, and I can run it through the gamut soon. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/15 "2011-11-08T04:47:57Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Dude you don’t get crushes on anyone? Loosen up, live a little. Let your freak flag fly, let your emotions run free, let your inner dumplings tilt & wiggle. > > Having a crush is just feeling sweet on someone, drawn to them, groovy with their vibes and spongy with their juicy goodness. The heart goes pitter patter and the stomach goes butterflies. Sorry DUDE, I don’t get crushes on anyone. Better to get females to have crushes on me, which happens. I don’t think your description describes the state very well either, except perhaps with the pitter patter and butterflies stuff, but even that is more “love” rather than a crush. Women do most of the crushing anyway. One would think the libido is involved somehow as first crushes happen in the early teens. Ergo, sex hormones are involved. I do think crush is a bit more complicated than naked lust though. Pregnenolone has been easy to buy as a supplement. Perhaps one could open a 10 mg capsule and dissolve in a perfumers solvent like PG or EtOH and use it. I’ll have to try it. As to A-1 inviting or strengthening crushes, I don’t see. In women, it just relaxes and mellows them. A crush is an active state. For men, in the worst case it depresses them. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/16 "2011-11-08T05:06:22Z")
I agree that A1 might not be the best for crush inducing, at least not in the first stages. I think the beginning of relationships or for ‘repairing’ things with friends might be a better use. So comfortable-feeling. !\_! It isn’t a mind-comfort, for me, though. It’s definitely a sitting-by-the-fire or sleeping in sort of body-feeling. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/17 "2011-11-08T05:12:29Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > Pregnenolone has been easy to buy as a supplement. Perhaps one could open a 10 mg capsule and dissolve in a perfumers solvent like PG or EtOH and use it. I’ll have to try it. That’s exactly how I first came to know neno. There are detailed instructions on my blog somewhere. I find that DIY neno comes in at about 1/10 the potency of lab-grade stuff, but aside for the need for a higher dosage it performs exceptionally well. p.s. I highly recommend developing a super-ooey-gooey crush on something or someone with great haste. It’s awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/18 "2011-11-08T06:46:02Z")
I Searched and Found Your Instructions… However while Scanning to See what Pregnenolone Tablets Cost I Also Found it Also in Liquid Form… Just Curious if You’d Seen This Before and if So would it be an Option to Making it from Tablets?!? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/19 "2011-11-08T06:47:39Z")
> [@Pandakun](#): > > I Searched and Found Your Instructions… However while Scanning to See what Pregnenolone Tablets Cost I Also Found it Also in Liquid Form… Just Curious if You’d Seen This Before and if So would it be an Option to Making it from Tablets?!? Sure, sounds good to me! I’ve never seen it in liquid. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/20 "2011-11-08T07:21:37Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Ah yes, they are two very interesting molecules. > > Pregnenolone is a remarkably consistent mood elevator with strong attractive and light sexual properties. It makes people feel happy to be around you. When paired with a-nol, it makes people feel happy to talk with you. This effect can be amazingly pronounced. Pregnenolone (or “neno” as I have come to refer to it) is perhaps my single all-time favorite molecule. It is versatile, predictable, and universally positive. I have worn it by itself many times. > > Androstenetrione is somewhat more complicated and brooding. I have referred to it as Instant Soul. It seems to awaken a deep artistic longing and sense for beauty. This one can be a bit too moody for me at times. > > The rationale for my crush mix was: a1 for love, trione for beauty, bnol for intimacy, and neno for happiness. thanks for this. what range of doses for pregnenolone have you found useful? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180.md?page=2)