# Let's explore the "Crush Effect" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 6, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180 "2011-11-06T23:00:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/41 "2011-11-14T18:21:41Z")
> [@fishdude](#): > > Tisha, > > Why not use P83 is a work environment ? I am not suggesting everyone shouldn’t use it for work. That comment was really just from my own personal experience at work. For me I find people tend to touch me more not really in a inappropriate way but more then I am comfortable with in that environment. > [@](#): > > Arent crushes something that happen when you’re in highschool? They happen in any stage of life really we just dont take it as seriously as we age and mature. A crush to a young adult in high school for instance is noticed more by those around them and by the person experiencing the crush themselves simply because the maturity level of those experiencing it. For instance the teenage girl being convinced she will never love anyone else except her “crush” or she can not face the world without a particular pair of shoes all her friends have. Everything is more drama filled. Then we grow up and its not that crushes stop. We still have them and no sorry I dont believe that people grow out of them. They are part of human nature and emotion. We just view those feelings differently then we did back then. Its not so drama filled. Like dbot mentioned crushes are fun as long as you keep reality in perspective. I once had a crush on my husband. That cleared up though when we fell in love and made a commitment. Love is much deeper and meaningful then a simple crush. Agasin I dont think there is really a clear cut answer. It means a little something different to each of us. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/42 "2011-11-15T05:12:58Z")
My thanks to Tisha and Bella for offering their enlightened opinions at my invitation. The female view has been missing and I know of no two more knowledgable contributors of either gender. My point in this thread is that the “crush effect” attributed largely to P83 was not a useful description. It impliedsmore than P83 delivers. Sorry to be the mean old [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) engineer here but sometimes we need to deflate the claims that are overblown and misleading. P83 has its uses but creating a “crush effect” is probably not one of them. Why do I link P83 and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)? Partially based on my own experience that I documented here: [P83 Self-Effects - Heightened Aggression](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-self-effects-heightened-aggression/25045) I can see where it can add purposefulness which is the healthy version of of a behavior that is the basis for the problem of OCD. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/43 "2011-11-15T20:16:54Z")
A crush can also be partly a form of borderline obsession with your target. For example, I met a woman very beautiful, and 2 days later found myself fantasizing about her. Then when I went to the store to meet her I got all nervous dressing up as if I had to be perfect as if it mattered so much. I also got racing pulse, and pondered what it would be like to have her as my girl. She was young (in her early 20’s) and I’m 42 so it seemed like a fantasy. I think that is my “experience” of a crush. To be honest I don’t like it on me. It feels like it takes away all my power . 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/44 "2011-11-21T02:00:31Z")
“She was young (in her early 20’s) and I’m 42 so it seemed like a fantasy.” “There’s no fool like and old fool.” But then, I’ve had such experiences too. When you’re in your 40s+ and faced with such an opportunity, being the cool, in control actor is of vital importance. The last response you want in yourself is to get the tizzies about the young chick. ---
**Author:** ![samuraitea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/samuraitea/32/1998_2.png) [@samuraitea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/samuraitea)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/45 "2011-11-21T03:46:21Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > I’ve seen this description come up several times, especially in discussions of P83. Yet a search of this forum only shows that everyone seems to know what it means - except me. > > We’ve explored DIHL and I can understand that but perhaps I’m too far past adolescence to remember “crushes” on members of the opposite sex. > > I think it might refer to a female having a strong physical attraction (“You’re yummy!”) but mixed with longing and even respect. > > . I get crushes at least once a month and I keep these girls on my radar until they tell me something or do something to me that offends me… Right now I personally have 3 crushes, and I mone up every time I see them (when I know I am going to see them). At school I tend not to mone up as much as I did back at Community college but when I do, I am usually far to wasted and when I am not, the girl is… I am working on a perfect balance now… I am working on letting go of the girl , just so it is fair for both of us. And once I am “single” for real, I will be a lot better with my game! ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/46 "2011-12-04T20:43:56Z")
Let me throw out this concept for the hypothetical [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) “crush effect” - “puppy love.” ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/47 "2011-12-04T20:54:54Z")
I think puppy love is a fine concept for thinking about crushing, but I don’t see why either idea should be tied to p83. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/48 "2011-12-04T20:59:45Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > Let me throw out this concept for the hypothetical P83 “crush effect” > > - “puppy love.” Nah, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is to sensual to describe it as puppy love. Its hard to explain. Its like a pleasant heat that builds up in side and is expressed through touch, body language and flirtation. Of course effects are going to vary from individual to individual. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![samuraitea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/samuraitea/32/1998_2.png) [@samuraitea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/samuraitea)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/49 "2011-12-04T23:40:21Z")
I consider p83 as that Drunk horny feeling… Great for getting people to get more touchy feely with you. GREAT for parties or a girl that you want to start something more with. It is a disinhibitor… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/50 "2011-12-05T00:20:56Z")
Yup - I go more with Sam’s take. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is a good disinhibitor/space reducer. **Especially** in situations where inhibitions/boundaries are already lowered. Great for that “OH! - I got carried away” moment. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![boogywoogy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@boogywoogy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boogywoogy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/51 "2011-12-05T01:08:52Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yup - I go more with Sam’s take. P83 is a good disinhibitor/space reducer. > > **Especially** in situations where inhibitions/boundaries are already lowered. Great for that “OH! - I got carried away” moment. 😉 To bad I cant buy this stuff lol ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/52 "2011-12-05T01:23:54Z")
Keep reporting on what you do have and all will come to you in time! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![boogywoogy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@boogywoogy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boogywoogy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/53 "2011-12-05T01:26:19Z")
Thanks and I will. The things I work from home and dont have my car currently so there isn’t much I can do lol ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/54 "2011-12-05T15:56:27Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Now A314 with some IH and IS I’ve seen the crush effect. I’ve also seen it with A1. > > My current target…a cute lil’ native american girl I’ve been spending most of my time with tells me she lies awake at night thinking of things I’ve said…or spent the day coming up with a cute nickname for me, or thinking about what she can make me for breakfast lunch and dinner…yes all 3 in one day…LOL. > > I am on her mind when I am not around and I rarely if ever wear P83 around her. its 9 times out of 10 my A314, IH, IS ammo mix. So you use A314 + IH + IS + AMMO or just A314+IH+IS ? Sorry but I wasn’t sure which one you meant. And I’m interesting in trying this mix 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/55 "2011-12-05T15:59:09Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > A314 2-3 drops > Ammo regular strength 2-4 sprays, mostly 2 > IH 2-4 sprays, conservative 2, but for max effect 4. > IS 4 sprays Ah ok.. now I found it 🙂 thks anyway ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/56 "2012-05-08T11:29:24Z")
Just tested a variant on this. A314 2 drops IH 2 sprays of 2x IS 1 sprays of 1x ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/57 "2012-05-10T02:08:14Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Just tested a variant on this. > > A314 2 drops > IH 2 sprays of 2x > IS 1 sprays of 2x I guess this isn’t effective. Can anyone test and confirm please? Probably it needs the Ammo. Also noticed my IS was a 2x spray. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/58 "2012-05-10T03:00:11Z")
Thats a good work/social mix - I’ve used it at public events before - Helps you keep charge. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/59 "2012-05-10T03:03:52Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Thats a good work/social mix - I’ve used it at public events before - Helps you keep charge. 🙂 but not for crushing it seems.. not even on someone exposed to the original mix with ammo ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/60 "2012-05-10T03:36:23Z")
Get some [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) in there, with or without the IS. I cut right back on my usage of A314/IH/P74 at work and work/social because of the stalkers I was collecting. You can add any of a a variety of none products to further sexualise it but my best results were all built from initial contact without added none. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180.md?page=4)