# Let's explore the "Crush Effect" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 6, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180 "2011-11-06T23:00:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/61 "2012-05-11T02:51:57Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Get some P74 in there, with or without the IS. > > I cut right back on my usage of A314/IH/P74 at work and work/social because of the stalkers I was collecting. > > You can add any of a a variety of none products to further sexualise it but my best results were all built from initial contact without added none. Thanks. I’ll add the [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) then. I found a post on P74 where Steve suggested it might give a woman the tinglies (the one)… so I definitely need to add this and start using more and more in my mixes. What about adding some P83? hmm. I’ve been with this person for a while now, I hope to give her memorable tinglies plus STRONGLY increase her MEMORY of me afterwards. Also I will shower with Dial magnetic clean rinsing before, and use hair gel with A1 within it.. So this is the mix I’ll use. 3 drops A314. (rather than just 2?) 30 mcg P74 IH 2 sprays of 2x - back of neck IS 1 spray of 2x ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/62 "2012-05-11T06:14:07Z")
You need to keep the [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) in similar proportion to the IH in this, although it has similar bonding properties, too much P74 is maybe a bit too best-friendy. I usually use equal sprays of IH/P74 at 10mcg. to about 30/40mcg P83 will indeed help with the physical/getting close side of things but do damm-all for the crush effect. I reckon its the A314/P74 that contribute most, with the IH to bring it out. 🙂 And yes, in other mixes, P74 alongside sexuals does seem to help a woman get comfortable with being horny around you - The number who have let slip about how horny I was making them feel has surprised me, even when I had not long met them! - And it fairly surprised husbands/partners in a few cases where they were within earshot! 😮 :o 😃 P74/A1 alongside NPA is also interesting - In a much more of a hand-grenade kind of horny/crush way too. ---
**Author:** ![newnyer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f4b2a3/32.png) [@newnyer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newnyer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/63 "2012-05-12T13:08:50Z")
So I haven’t received it yet but ordered IS, IH and P83 for my LTR. I was looking to receive more touchy/feely and affectionate behavior from him while re-igniting some of our (or his) high school crush feelings (we dated in high school). As I have been reading more from this forum I’m seeing more questionable effects from P83. Maybe MEO-EST would have been the better route? And by the way, I’m still SUCH a newbie and even though I keep seeing MEO-EST on this site, I can not find the exact product listed on the AD site (can’t tell which Experimone it is. oops…I know…I’m a little pheromone slow.) Oh and I’ve also purchased Desire Me… What combo do you think would work best? ---
**Author:** ![classicalflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@classicalflower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/classicalflower)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/64 "2012-05-12T13:47:06Z")
> [@newnyer](#): > > Maybe MEO-EST would have been the better route? And by the way, I’m still SUCH a newbie and even though I keep seeing MEO-EST on this site, I can not find the exact product listed on the AD site (can’t tell which Experimone it is. oops…I know…I’m a little pheromone slow.) MEO-EST has been unavailable for quite a while - think it has something to do with a patent. EST is available though from a different company. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/65 "2012-05-12T14:02:09Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You need to keep the P74 in similar proportion to the IH in this, although it has similar bonding properties, too much P74 is maybe a bit too best-friendy. I usually use equal sprays of IH/P74 at 10mcg. to about 30/40mcg > > P83 will indeed help with the physical/getting close side of things but do damm-all for the crush effect. I reckon its the A314/P74 that contribute most, with the IH to bring it out. 🙂 > > And yes, in other mixes, P74 alongside sexuals does seem to help a woman get comfortable with being horny around you - The number who have let slip about how horny I was making them feel has surprised me, even when I had not long met them! - And it fairly surprised husbands/partners in a few cases where they were within earshot! 😮 :o 😃 > > P74/A1 alongside NPA is also interesting - In a much more of a hand-grenade kind of horny/crush way too. I ended up excusing myself and spraying [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) on… ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/66 "2012-05-12T17:11:22Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > And yes, in other mixes, **P74 alongside sexuals** does seem to help a woman get comfortable with being horny around you - **The number who have let slip about how horny I was making them feel has surprised me** , even when I had not long met them! - And it fairly surprised husbands/partners in a few cases where they were within earshot! 😮 :o 😃 You wouldn’t by any chance still have the mix/ratio that cause such a naughty slip in your notes, would’ja, Mob? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/67 "2012-05-13T07:41:36Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Thanks. I’ll add the P74 then. I found a post on P74 where Steve suggested it might give a woman the tinglies (the one)… so I definitely need to add this and start using more and more in my mixes. > > What about adding some P83? hmm. > > I’ve been with this person for a while now, I hope to give her memorable tinglies plus STRONGLY increase her MEMORY of me afterwards. > Also I will shower with Dial magnetic clean rinsing before, and use hair gel with A1 within it.. > > So this is the mix I’ll use. > 3 drops A314. (rather than just 2?) > 30 mcg P74 > IH 2 sprays of 2x - back of neck > IS 1 spray of 2x I ended up adding IJ to this later on the night. Results on the night were good. Later on it seems the effect was there, if not the memory. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/68 "2012-05-13T09:26:24Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > You wouldn’t by any chance still have the mix/ratio that cause such a naughty slip in your notes, would’ja, Mob? 😛 OTOH, one incident that springs to mind was 40mcg p74, 2 sprays 2x IH, 2 sprays NPA 1+4 (togo) 2 or 3 drops A314. ---
**Author:** ![PheroHobbyist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PheroHobbyist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroHobbyist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/69 "2012-05-13T14:18:36Z")
mobo, what do you mean by 1+4 NPA exactly? cheers, PH ---
**Author:** ![PheroHobbyist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PheroHobbyist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroHobbyist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/70 "2012-05-13T14:43:01Z")
mobo, that seems like a lot of IH (2, 2x). did it feel ok to wear ? Also, does a lot of IH help stimulate action as well as communications? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/71 "2012-05-13T15:20:42Z")
> [@PheroHobbyist](#): > > mobo, what do you mean by 1+4 NPA exactly? > > cheers, PH 1ml NPA diluted by 4ml cologne in a togo - About 20% stronger than standard dilution (0.8+4.2) - Seems to suit my age better. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/72 "2012-05-13T15:47:58Z")
> [@PheroHobbyist](#): > > mobo, > that seems like a lot of IH (2, 2x). did it feel ok to wear ? Also, does a lot of IH help stimulate action as well as communications? This was in the days before the price rises and I’ve gone further with 4x IH to good effect - This is why I’m hanging-on to my last two thirds of a bottle of 4x IH like gold dust, for very special occasions. 😉 Yes it is - Strong IH plus A314 is another of these “greater than the sum of its parts” mixes - Really promotes a sense of confidence, bonding and trust - Esp useful alongside a sexual. Its one of those mixes that just seems to draw a woman in, have her talking her deepest and then you are holding her as she talks, then - well… one of those “moments” that got carried away! 😃 It is almost intoxicating as well and yes, if you are prone to strong self effects with nols, you do have to keep control of your own tounge and after refreshing, you can feel a bit drained/burned out after a while. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/73 "2013-07-09T13:39:19Z")
I’m interested in test reports on the crush properties of P104, if they exist. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/74 "2013-07-09T15:23:21Z")
I don’t recall much by way of crush properties attributed to P104? Most of what I remember was light disinhibitor/feelgood/mood lifting. IIRC it was often used to steer IH, or heavy-going status mixes of the sort that already have fallout potential and that quite a few guys combined it with A1 to good effect in PMS mixes - which again has established crush potential. I’ve got a bottle barely started - I was keeping it for after the surgery as I don’t think it would suit hobbling around in agony mixes. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/75 "2013-07-09T17:32:59Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I don’t recall much by way of crush properties attributed to P104? > > Most of what I remember was light disinhibitor/feelgood/mood lifting. IIRC it was often used to steer IH, or heavy-going status mixes of the sort that already have fallout potential and that quite a few guys combined it with A1 to good effect in PMS mixes - which again has established crush potential. > > I’ve got a bottle barely started - I was keeping it for after the surgery as I don’t think it would suit hobbling around in agony mixes. ☹ Some ladies liked it, but that doesn’t always equate to performing well if I wear it. I’ve done P102 and 103, so going with that sequence seems neat. Found a hypnotic effect with 103 and slightly with 102. Alternatively, I’ve done 74, 75 and 83, so P78 is another candidate…that also did well with women for self fx. I like things such as [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) that have a charm quality. I think P103 was good with IH. I’d have to check notes. But an additional hypnotic quality would probably help betanol and IH. > [@MX257 P104 Its a hit !!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-p104-its-a-hit/5430): > > I decided to start my own post about it in the womens section because my results are a little different then the mens. This could be my new favorite after Mx216. I was gonna wait for a few days of testing but I cant stand it I gotta share. LOL I used 1 spray 2.5 mcg to my wrist yesterday before work just to see the self effects. I didnt like the coconut smell but I dont normally like coconut to much anyway. It still wasnt offensive though. No head rush effects at this time. About 10 minutes aft… Generally, excepting TAL, mones that _girls like_ in doses tested well _by men_…these perform well when _I wear_ them. Mole L on a guy is like None on a girl. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/76 "2013-07-10T01:23:32Z")
Yes - I find quite a gap in effects between P102/103 but 103 and 104 are much closer in effect. I get P103 as being much harder hitting and far more physical, taking its tone more from the other components in the mix, whilst P104 is lighter, more playful/silly and feelgood in a way that is less dependant on other components. P104 also lacks the god-awful cheesy stink that I get and can never cover adequately from P103. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/77 "2013-07-12T17:33:28Z")
I know that Rone products have been linked to the fallout effect by themselves. Specifically, A314 alone was I think the first item where this came up, with many other users reporting a similar result. _Has androsterone alone or combinations of it (with IH, P74) ever shown promise?_ I seem to see only 314 and IG reports. 74 by itself and 74 with P75 is effective. I am now testing out pure Rone with 74 vs 75 and 74. Frankly, I enjoy Rone for self effects at home, but deriving effective combos for social settings is problematic. Future tests will look at these with betanol vs IH and possibly steering mones. Frankly, 75, I H, and 74, occasionally layering on P130 or [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) was very good. Frankly, 75, I H and 74 was one of the most effective blends ever, for long-term results. Worthy of bottling. If 314 is superior, a “fallout special edition” MX of 314, specially adding extra IH and 74, would be awesome. 5 mcg of 74 with 4 sprays Honesty and 20-30 micros of 74 was easily 9 out of 10. One of the most effective LTR combos on this board. Great commercial potential for relationship material. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180.md?page=3)