# Let's get controversial! PUAs! **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 19, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587 "2007-03-19T19:27:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![vkat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/59ef9b/32.png) [@vkat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vkat)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/41 "2007-03-25T21:42:09Z")
[quote=“alseides, post:40, topic:2587”] I I understand and agree with your stance on this, and am tempted myself to take a little “time off” even though I was not personally insulted. That said, you are indeed a wonderful person Ail, and we’ll miss you. I’ll second that. ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/42 "2007-03-25T22:38:38Z")
I’ll third it. Like I said before, Ail, we don’t agree on everything, but you’re gutsy and kind and true to yourself, and I have great respect and admiration for that. Be well, lovely. I’ll try to remain in touch as well. :o ---
**Author:** ![saraunne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/saraunne/32/193_2.png) [@saraunne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/saraunne)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/43 "2007-03-25T23:08:28Z")
☹ You’ll definitely be missed. ---
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/44 "2007-03-26T01:27:33Z")
That’s sad… Don’t leave the women’s forum, they clearly respect you and your posts. It was just internet arguing, I for instance just saw it as entertaining to share views and did not take offence to what you said… just so you know I did not intend for this to happen. I think you should take a break, just as you’ve decided. But what I disagree with is you leaving this forum permanently. Jasmin saw it was heating up and took the right action, of course, she’s running a business here. But she’s very reasonable and for what I’ve seen, an intelligent poster, so that said: I think she would unban" you from the Men’s forum after this has cooled down. Consider this with that in mind that the women here value your contribution, and even some men. I, for once, was just happy the thread didn’t die. 🙂 Well, that said, good bye and at least keep it in mind that you’re probably just welcome to stay and continue sharing your opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/45 "2007-03-26T03:37:10Z")
> [@saraunne](#): > > All right, so a couple weeks ago, I said I had a lot of things to say. I wrote a bit, and was amazed at the response. > > So let’s see what happens now. Let’s spice it up a bit. > > PUAs, ladies!!! Your thoughts and feelings! > > As for me, I’ve read up on the techniques, watched the youtube videos (from Gem, I think?), seen a couple in action (but not very good ones, hah! Their peacocking was fun, though.) and to me, I’m completely fascinated by them. They’re like an alien species I want to observe and write research papers on. > > Let’s lay it out there – I’m a virgin. I haven’t even kissed a boy in 22 months (Oh, believe me, I’m counting the days, too. Kisses on the cheek don’t count either). I can’t do the casual thing. Dance, yes, talk and have fun, yes, but nothing past that. > > So when guys try to pick me up, it doesn’t work. It’s just not what I’m looking for. We have fun, we talk, we dance, it’s all good. And then when it’s time to go, I say good night. I’ve given my number out a few times, but that’s been about it. > > Now knowing a female PUA, it’s a little strange. She was basically a vigilante for all the women used by assholes, as she had been. She became walking karma, seeking those who needed to pay. This of course caused complications as she then entered the cycle for herself, and quite possibly just solidified the theories those boys already had. > > I’ve been negged before, and it didn’t have the desired effect. > > “You have fantastic… toes.” > “Um. Thank you?” > > Anybody else have thoughts? Any funny PUA stories? Wow! Sara! I have to salute you!!😛 😃 …and it makes me wonder too…😕 ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2007, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/46 "2007-04-06T11:32:28Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > Well… A PUA on here’s antiquated viewpoints, and ridiculous posturing caused me from last night, to no longer be allowed access to the men’s forum, so before THIS is whipped too, I wanted to tell you all I will be having this account deleted. I have copied this post anyway, so if it goes, I will just have Lori repost it later. > > I intend to copy all the posts you have all found some value in that I have made here, across to clipboard, and then will email them all to Lori to post. > > I am asking for this account to not just be closed, but totally deleted, so I want to make sure those of you who have said such lovely things to me about how helpful you found my posts do not lose out on them, as I do NOT want a trace of this account left here. > > I will NOT be part of a community where speaking the truth means I am censored and the MALE perpetrators get away with doing what the hell they like. Last night they even stopped reading what was written (a typical male trait I find - even with my own wee brother..) and decided to MAKE UP stuff they thought they saw, and even before I was given restricted access to the forums, I had had quite enough. > > Way to knock the women’s movement back a few thousand years Jasmin! I think you’re an amazing person, but to bow to the bullying of a few blow-hard, self-important, arrogant so-called men? NO, that does not compute or gel in MY world. > > Anyway, this is very likely to be my last post here, as I do NOT want this account active if I am only allowed access to SOME of the forums. > > Thanks to all those who have been good friends, and to the women who appear to think it cool to try to BE and act like men, whilst tearing down one of your own - I will only say, watch out for karma. Karma is the universe’s own lovely way of making sure we ALL get just what we deserve, and trust me - be it in this world or another - you will. > > Thanks to everyone here, and I hope you have a wonderful pheromonal journey. > > Lori has my email address, and should any of you wish to get in touch with me, please ask her for it. > > Take care of yourselves everybody. I have posted this here, as I know it will definitely be seen then, and if I made a separate leaving thread, it would no doubt be pulled, so I guess this is a last act of defiance. > > I will not be silenced, I will not be bullied and I will NOT be made to feel unwelcome in a “man’s” domain - not ever. > > I have one last thing to say.. > > It was brought to my attention that some of the women here apparently believe it is because I was a battered wife for almost 8 years that has led to my viewpoints on PUA, the seduction community et al, but I can assure you it is absolutely NOTHING to do with that fact. > > It is to do with me standing up for my principles and my belief that EVERYBODY who is genuine gets on a whole lot better in life if they are just literally, themselves.. > > I have never been less than exactly who I am in my entire life, and my SO will tell people my brutal honesty is often pretty hurtful, but you will NEVER hear lies from me, and I abhor liars like no tomorrow. I don’t have any friends who are less than 100% genuine, and I don’t think I could associate with people like that. > > I am very proud that us Scots are considered to be the most WYSIWYG people in this world, and I can tell you, it is a tag that is not taken likely here. We just are what we are, and artifice has no part of our make-up at all. > > Stay true to yourself, and the rest will follow. > > It has never seen me wrong, and I am damn sure a week from turning 40, I am not going to adopt some mindless game-playing and incorporate it into my very HAPPY life. > > I am a strong woman, and if certain of the men here want to see me as weak, BECAUSE I stand up for myself and my beliefs, that just shows how very threatened they are by a woman who is SELF-empowered, and while I have an amazing relationship - with the man who for 11 years was ONLY my best friend and went through hell and back with me, we are all about give and take, and THAT is how friends CAN become lovers, and STAY that way. > > No matter what inane rubbish you hear from the men to the contrary. > > I live by simple rules: > > - Be yourself. > > - Stay true to your beliefs and don’t be swayed by those wanting you to become a sheep. > > - Tell someone you love them, the minute you realise it IS the case, as we just never know when it will be too late to do so, given this troubled world we live in. > > - Treat people as you expect to be treated, but NEVER kowtow to someone just to keep the peace. > > - Regret nothing, Even the bad experiences are all part of the giant Learning-Curve of this complex journey we call life. Each and every trauma or happy event is a silken thread weaving part of Life’s Rich Tapestry. Treasure each and every one, and learn and grow from those events that upset and unsettle us. > > - And finally my mantra: “Live every single day as if it were your last, 'cos after all..one day you WILL be right..” > No tricks, no mind-shagging, no games. I am simply, me. > > Like I said last night, games are for kids. > > ..and that..would be how this ALL started in the first place… > > Blessings to one and all. > > BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA… > > Ail )O( AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I had to come out of the woodwork for this, it put a smile to my face… ---
**Author:** ![alpha\_wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha_wolf/32/1800_2.png) [@alpha\_wolf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha_wolf)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 6:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/47 "2007-04-24T06:21:05Z")
Wait so why’s Ali leaving? She seems to speak her mind quite often but I haven’t heard anything worth banning for from her. -AW ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 9:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/48 "2007-04-24T09:11:36Z")
I will be curious to see if the forum administrators actually fulfill Ail’s hope of deleting all evidence of her account. If there was an arbitration case that I had to adjudicate, I don’t think I would ~allow~ all of those posts to be removed, let alone require it; they are part of creating a community, and everyone here has a potential interest in retaining them. Once you made the contributions, Ail, they ceased to be your property. They were given … as contributions, and I don’t see that you have a stand to demand they be “taken back”. Is this supposed to be a “pack up my toys and go home” gesture? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/49 "2007-04-24T14:11:45Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > I will be curious to see if the forum administrators actually fulfill Ail’s hope of deleting all evidence of her account. > > If there was an arbitration case that I had to adjudicate, I don’t think I would ~allow~ all of those posts to be removed, let alone require it; they are part of creating a community, and everyone here has a potential interest in retaining them. > > Once you made the contributions, Ail, they ceased to be your property. They were given … as contributions, and I don’t see that you have a stand to demand they be “taken back”. > > Is this supposed to be a “pack up my toys and go home” gesture? i have to wonder what the point of this particular post is,Markl. BRONZIE as well. can positive or useful come from questioning someone or _about_ someone who can nolonger reply to your comments? what good will come of this? bronzie came out of the woodwork to laugh at Ail after her banning, but wheres the balls in that? also,Ail’s contributions would definately be missed if they were to be removed. i would not like them lifted either. i actually take into account when someone posts anything, if they have a genuine interest in adding something positive to the forum/community, or if everything they have EVER posted is negative / demeaning / AND has anything to do with pheromone usage at all. some people here do not even use [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) or have ever used an Androtics product, yet they are allowed to speak as if they have anything to contribute. id be MORE inclined to point THAT out. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![thr3shold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thr3shold/32/2316_2.png) [@thr3shold](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thr3shold)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 2:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/50 "2007-04-24T14:12:22Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > I will be curious to see if the forum administrators actually fulfill Ail’s hope of deleting all evidence of her account. > > If there was an arbitration case that I had to adjudicate, I don’t think I would ~allow~ all of those posts to be removed, let alone require it; they are part of creating a community, and everyone here has a potential interest in retaining them. > > Once you made the contributions, Ail, they ceased to be your property. They were given … as contributions, and I don’t see that you have a stand to demand they be “taken back”. > > Is this supposed to be a “pack up my toys and go home” gesture? > [@alpha\_wolf](#): > > Wait so why’s Ali leaving? > > She seems to speak her mind quite often but I haven’t heard anything worth banning for from her. > > -AW You guys do know that that post by Ail is like a month old right? Gem left at the same time too by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/51 "2007-04-24T14:19:40Z")
> [@alpha\_wolf](#): > > Wait so why’s Ali leaving? > > She seems to speak her mind quite often but I haven’t heard anything worth banning for from her. > > -AW While I agree with you, the men’s forum had to be free for any and all to be posted…by men. this means that ALL men’s views have to be **respected** ,whether or not anyone of any gender **agrees** with it. if we started moderating because we disagreed with views, then we would have to moderate an awful lot, and i personally like to know i can say what i think in the womens forum. i think the men ought to have that freedom too. in Ail’s case, buttons were pushed for this exact outcome. that is just my opinion, just my [http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/sign0134.gif](http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/sign0134.gif) . 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/52 "2007-04-24T15:44:03Z")
Some of you people take this forum way too seriously and blur reality with fantasy, this particular post is an example of that. By the way, I didnt reply to this post so I could humiliate Ail or “laugh” at her as Lor stated (she already did a good job at that). In fact, I liked Ail and thought she was articulate or rather imaginative on alot of things, perhaps now, since she has been banned, she could channel some of her built up “anger at the world” energy to something a little more constructive rather than waste it on 20 year old PUA wannabees on a pheromone forum. Lor, get a life. ---
**Author:** ![vkat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/59ef9b/32.png) [@vkat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vkat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/53 "2007-04-25T00:02:31Z")
> [@bronzie](#): > > Some of you people take this forum way too seriously and blur reality with fantasy, this particular post is an example of that. > > By the way, I didnt reply to this post so I could humiliate Ail or “laugh” at her as Lor stated (she already did a good job at that). In fact, I liked Ail and thought she was articulate or rather imaginative on alot of things, perhaps now, since she has been banned, she could channel some of her built up “anger at the world” energy to something a little more constructive rather than waste it on 20 year old PUA wannabees on a pheromone forum. > > Lor, get a life. Not sure why you called your subject HAHAHAHAHAHA if you weren’t laughing or why it’s more constructive to use energy to resurrect a painful month old episode and then start in on Lor. Lor, I don’t disagree that men have to have a place to post where their views are respected, I only wish that women did too. But apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 6:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/54 "2007-04-25T06:46:12Z")
Lor, regrets if my motives weren’t clear … I was trying to say if I had to make a choice about “cleaning house” and removing all of Ail’s posts, I would not do it, even though she seems to have wanted that. Actually, although I thought that some of Ail’s “hot button” responses were … over-reactions … I considered many of her posts to be a] knowledgeable or b] insightful or c] delightful / entertaining. I realize that Ail might never come back, but then again, she might. And even if she is banned (temporarily, or for all time) from POSTING in the Men’s forum, that’s not the same as “cannot respond”. I wish Ail and Gem had stuck a while longer… but I appreciate that she felt “embattled” and didn’t need the stress… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/55 "2007-04-25T10:32:09Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > Lor, regrets if my motives weren’t clear … I was trying to say if I had to make a choice about “cleaning house” and removing all of Ail’s posts, I would not do it, even though she seems to have wanted that. > > Actually, although I thought that some of Ail’s “hot button” responses were … over-reactions … I considered many of her posts to be a] knowledgeable or b] insightful or c] delightful / entertaining. > > I realize that Ail might never come back, but then again, she might. And even if she is banned (temporarily, or for all time) from POSTING in the Men’s forum, that’s not the same as “cannot respond”. > > I wish Ail and Gem had stuck a while longer… but I appreciate that she felt “embattled” and didn’t need the stress… my apologies MarkL. i didnt know you didnt know shes banned- period. she cant reply to anything _at all_ in _any forum_ now as far as i know. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/56 "2007-04-25T11:03:08Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > my apologies MarkL. > i didnt know you didnt know shes banned- period. > she cant reply to anything _at all_ in _any forum_ now as far as i know. Do people get banned here too? I thought I read someone said that this is an “unsensored” forum! I can understand about the technical malfunction the forum is having now but this is the first time I hear forum member being banned!😮 :o And if it is true, what particular reason which contributes to it? Expressing an opinion even if it is opposed by a 1000 people still does not justify it. I don’t know for sure whether she was banned or she quit. Perhaps the administrator could kindly clarify the matter…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/57 "2007-04-25T11:26:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Lor, get a life. your not the boss of me. 😉 > [@](#): > > Do people get banned here too? I thought I read someone said that this is an “unsensored” forum! as far as I know,Ail is the only one,and for the most part,it is. without rehashing it, there was a heated moment and this was the result. we dont see heated moments here often. as a matter of fact, we get alot of “welcomes” and “enjoy the forum” s here from especially hospitable forum members 😉 😃 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/58 "2007-04-25T16:25:37Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > my apologies MarkL. > i didnt know you didnt know shes banned- period. > she cant reply to anything _at all_ in _any forum_ now as far as i know. Oh! Wow! Talk about out of touch… My apologies for opening up old painful business… _pause_ _bows deep to the room_ I offer my sincere regrets if I contributed to this unfortunate outcome. But now that this is done, I wish that Ail may find peace, with everyone else who is/was distressed by these events. And especially, thanks and support to Jasmin, who had to make what was surely a difficult call. _bows deep to the room_ ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/59 "2007-05-06T17:12:35Z")
It is my interpretation (granted a bit after the fact now) that Ail was restriced from posting in the men’s forum as a kind of “timeout” brought about by some rather “hot button pushing” interchanges. I also think she is not the only one who has/had been resticted in some way or has had some posts deleted/edited. It’s just not advertised. (Also refer to MHarris’s thread on “how you want to be censored” some time ago). It is also my understanding that she then _voluntarily_ requested her account be “closed” (you will notice the info panel to the left no longer includes her “reputation” numbers etc). I don’t think she was unilaterally totally “banned” by the administration. Also IMO there has been some lack of basic courtesy displayed by some members of this forum. But that’s just me. Just my opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587/60 "2007-05-06T17:58:02Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > It is my interpretation (granted a bit after the fact now) that Ail was restriced from posting in the men’s forum as a kind of “timeout” brought about by some rather “hot button pushing” interchanges. > > I also think she is not the only one who has/had been resticted in some way or has had some posts deleted/edited. It’s just not advertised. (Also refer to MHarris’s thread on “how you want to be censored” some time ago). > > It is also my understanding that she then _voluntarily_ requested her account be “closed” (you will notice the info panel to the left no longer includes her “reputation” numbers etc). I don’t think she was unilaterally totally “banned” by the administration. > > Also IMO there has been some lack of basic courtesy displayed by some members of this forum. But that’s just me. > > Just my opinions. dig those ever-changing anime avatars, you are always interesting !!! just my opinion 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-get-controversial-puas/2587.md?page=4)