# Let's really be honest guys..... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 11, 2007, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593 "2007-07-11T12:02:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Z0R0XX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z0r0xx/32/1494_2.png) [@Z0R0XX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Z0R0XX)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/1 "2007-07-11T12:02:11Z")
I’ve heard several times on this site that when getting into mones you experiment with one first for a period of time before going on to the mixing, but let’s be honest guys (and gals for that matter), how many of you actually ignored this advice and started trying mixes like some mad [pheromone](https://a314.com/) scientist??? ---
**Author:** ![carlinbud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@carlinbud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/carlinbud)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 12:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/2 "2007-07-11T12:16:09Z")
I’ll be honest, when I got my first order it was straight to mixes. Just felt like I wanted to try everything at once. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/3 "2007-07-11T13:06:34Z")
LOL Me I did it, I mixed them right away got discourged and thankfully went back and tried again the right way and learned how to use them correctly. Now they work great for me. I think alot of us have done it. It seems like such a easy concept just spray it on and thats all there is to it but there is more. You have to learn how to recognize the reactions and how much product will cause it as well as the enviroment and correct placement you use your product in. Just An example. One of the girls will get say [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Lust After Me and then put it on and go to work. Then they report back that the products dont work for them. Well work is not the enviroment to use Lust After Me. I am sure men were turned on but they are not animals they will control those responses especially in the work place. Some work places are different such as mine and we have mostly known each other for years so we are more open. But most have a zero tolorance rule which in my opinion is more harsh on the men. Or someone will wear a mix of ammo and Instant Openness and shine and notice smiling or just a little staring when they go to a bar. They report back it dosnt work that great because i didnt get any big hits. Bars are frequantly sweaty, musty places. You need to get close to your target and when they smile or notice you, you need to open your mouth and start a conversation. The smile and stare are the hit its how you react to that hit that will determine the outcome. You really need to wear each one seperate and in different enviroments first and note how much you need to get a reaction. This way you will no what to wear, how much and when. I have it down pretty good almost to the individual person. There is a guy at work who will hang around me constantly chatting away and complimenting me if I wear Instant sexiness or MX140. If he begins to annoy me all I have to do is spray on some MX134 and he will avoid me and settle down. We have tested this more than once and it has consistantly worked. My boss will hang around me all happy when I wear Shine he will be in a really up beat mood and tease. None of this behavoir is normal for him but I notice it with him because its so out of character for him. I dont see this huge effect on others although I do see some uplifting effects. Then someone out of the blue will say to me. Gosh you always make me feel so good when your around and I know that its the shine even though I never would have just noticed this from that person without them mentioning it. If a person is generally upbeat its harder to see the reaction of shine. Because this is behavoir you expect and normally see and most people dont go around yelling “Hey I feel great” Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Z0R0XX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z0r0xx/32/1494_2.png) [@Z0R0XX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Z0R0XX)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/4 "2007-07-11T13:37:43Z")
Thanks for the detailed and informative response, you deserve to be rep’d…as soon as I figure out how to do so…I remembered seeing how somewhere on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/5 "2007-07-11T13:41:10Z")
Your Welcome I just babble more when I am wearing IO and I have it on today. My posts are always so much longer when I wear it :o Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Z0R0XX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z0r0xx/32/1494_2.png) [@Z0R0XX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Z0R0XX)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/6 "2007-07-11T13:52:48Z")
Well still, I appreciate the answer. IO for making people babble…hmmmm that mind come in handy. ---
**Author:** ![mtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mtown](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mtown)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/7 "2007-07-11T14:31:27Z")
Thank you tisha that was very informative and helpful i add some rep points to you for that one. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/8 "2007-07-11T15:31:36Z")
Well at first I just had Pure Instinct so I couldn’t mix with anything 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carlinbud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@carlinbud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/carlinbud)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/9 "2007-07-11T17:51:16Z")
Trisha, VERY well put. That should be posted for all the newcomers to read because it is so true. GOOD job. Scott ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/10 "2007-07-11T19:49:33Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve heard several times on this site that when getting into pheromones you experiment with one first for a period of time before going on to the mixing, but let’s be honest guys (and gals for that matter), how many of you actually ignored this advice and started trying mixes like some mad pheromone scientist??? I did. You guys must be richer than me buying all those products at once. I spend $25 on one mone product, TE, and used it for 2 months before buying another, SOE, on sale for $40. That combo worked great for me. That was 4 years ago. Although I’ve bought many products since then, some combination of none, nol and rone seems to work best for me. What I did was buy the raw chemset mones and mix tweaked batches with my fav colognes. Randomly combining a bunch of premixed products usually doesn’t give good results. It’s like going to your closet and putting on your best shirt, pants, belt and shoes. The only problem is you didn’t check if the colors, textures and styles work together. You might look like a clown one day and a stud another. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/11 "2007-07-11T20:06:39Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > LOL Me I did it, I mixed them right away got discourged and thankfully went back and tried again the right way and learned how to use them correctly. Now they work great for me. > I think alot of us have done it. It seems like such a easy concept just spray it on and thats all there is to it but there is more. > > You have to learn how to recognize the reactions and how much product will cause it as well as the enviroment and correct placement you use your product in. > > Just An example. > > One of the girls will get say Instant Openness and Lust After Me and then put it on and go to work. Then they report back that the products dont work for them. Well work is not the enviroment to use Lust After Me. I am sure men were turned on but they are not animals they will control those responses especially in the work place. Some work places are different such as mine and we have mostly known each other for years so we are more open. But most have a zero tolorance rule which in my opinion is more harsh on the men. > > Or someone will wear a mix of ammo and Instant Openness and shine and notice smiling or just a little staring when they go to a bar. They report back it dosnt work that great because i didnt get any big hits. Bars are frequantly sweaty, musty places. You need to get close to your target and when they smile or notice you, you need to open your mouth and start a conversation. The smile and stare are the hit its how you react to that hit that will determine the outcome. > > You really need to wear each one seperate and in different enviroments first and note how much you need to get a reaction. This way you will no what to wear, how much and when. > > I have it down pretty good almost to the individual person. There is a guy at work who will hang around me constantly chatting away and complimenting me if I wear Instant sexiness or MX140. If he begins to annoy me all I have to do is spray on some MX134 and he will avoid me and settle down. We have tested this more than once and it has consistantly worked. > > My boss will hang around me all happy when I wear Shine he will be in a really up beat mood and tease. None of this behavoir is normal for him but I notice it with him because its so out of character for him. I dont see this huge effect on others although I do see some uplifting effects. Then someone out of the blue will say to me. Gosh you always make me feel so good when your around and I know that its the shine even though I never would have just noticed this from that person without them mentioning it. If a person is generally upbeat its harder to see the reaction of shine. Because this is behavoir you expect and normally see and most people dont go around yelling “Hey I feel great” > > Tisha I think most people are guilty of getting over zealous and mixing right away when they first get started. I know I did when I first started out on LS a couple of years back. When my results aren’t as good as what I was expecting, I scaled things back and experimented with the products on a more individual basis, and was better equipped with a solid enough understanding of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) to build far more effective mixes. You tend to hear the same story time and time again with newer phero users: “today I wore a mix of X+Y+Z and didn’t see any results! Pheromones don’t work for me!” The more products you mix, the more complicated the effects get, and the less likely you are to produce positive results unless you really know what does what, and how certain pheromones work together. Many times what sounds good in theory, doesn’t always translate into actual results in practice. This is especially true if you really don’t understand how these molecules work for **you** and are basing your mixes purely on speculation. Also, just because a mix works wonders for someone else, doesn’t necessarily mean it will work for you. There are a number of variables unique to specific users, targets, and situations that can have a significant impact on how well a mix works. ie a mix worn by an older caucasian male in a casual setting, would work very differently for a younger african american male in a club setting. There really is a difference between wearing a mix to experiment to find and learn results, and wearing a mix to produce results. To be proficient with pheromones I think its important to mentally separate and dedicate time to these two approaches. To better **produce results** on days where it matters, you need to spend sometime experimenting to **learn and find results.** Learning appropriate dosages, individual effects, pheromone ‘contexts’ etc etc etc will allow you to be far more successful with pheromones. Without that knowledge, whether or not a mix works for you is more a matter of luck than anything. Conversely on days when you’re trying to produce results, be sure you’re more involved with the social interaction. Be less involved with experimentation and looking for results, as the act and the mentality of experimenting can often detract from your ability to produce results. The best results are produced when you aren’t looking. With that in mind, even if you want to start mixing right away to produce results, take some time on days where there’s less at stake to experiment with products individually to gain a better understanding of the how to use these molecules most effectively. I still do this with new molecules even today. Pheromone use is a constant learning process…even to those who manufacture pheromones (such as AD)..and effective pheromone use is a product of one’s willingness to constantly learn more! ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/12 "2007-07-12T19:57:56Z")
I’m one of those peeps that bought a bunch at once and started mixing. Then I bought even more stuff for more mixing 🙂 I keep my dosing relatively low and gauge what would be appropriate. Nothing but positive really. Except for a couple of occasions. Which still didn’t turn out to be all that negative. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2007, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/13 "2007-07-13T07:11:21Z")
When I received my first batch of pheromones from Love-Scent, I mixed it blindly like a mad scientist with Pherlure, altered the original scents, made everything gone hay wire and didn’t see much positive results! (Most of the “hits” I got then, came from my communication skills and “seducing art”!)🙄 😃 I guess I “upset” the molecules!!😃 Now I have Androtics pheromones and I treat those like gold! Would not simply waste it even a drop!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2007, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/14 "2007-07-13T09:04:50Z")
> [@Mohammad\_Shah](#): > > When I received my first batch of pheromones from Love-Scent, I mixed it blindly like a mad scientist with Pherlure, altered the original scents, made everything gone hay wire and didn’t see much positive results! (Most of the “hits” I got then, came from my communication skills and “seducing art”!)🙄 😃 I guess I “upset” the molecules!!😃 Now I have Androtics pheromones and I treat those like gold! Would not simply waste it even a drop!🙂 hehehe… you’re a seducer… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2007, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/15 "2007-07-13T09:22:25Z")
> [@Mohammad\_Shah](#): > > When I received my first batch of pheromones from Love-Scent, I mixed it blindly like a mad scientist with Pherlure, altered the original scents, made everything gone hay wire and didn’t see much positive results! (Most of the “hits” I got then, came from my communication skills and “seducing art”!)🙄 😃 I guess I “upset” the molecules!!😃 Now I have Androtics pheromones and I treat those like gold! Would not simply waste it even a drop!🙂 Oh Mix and match Great Grand Master Shah, As a new boy venturing into this glamorous world of fine fragrances and fixitives, i am very impressed with your wisdom and also your wonderfull wit. 😉 If thou may be so kind dear Sir i would be most greatfull if thou may please inform this poor humble brahmin as to what would be your favourite most loved and top 4 [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). Thank you kindly in advance Oh illustrious Mariner. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/16 "2007-07-14T01:40:56Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > hehehe… > you’re a seducer… 😃 Hehehe! But definitely not as good as you are!!!😛 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2007, 2:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/17 "2007-07-14T02:13:06Z")
> [@alpha314](#): > > Oh Mix and match Great Grand Master Shah, As a new boy venturing into this glamorous world of fine fragrances and fixitives, i am very impressed with your wisdom and also your wonderfull wit. 😉 > > If thou may be so kind dear Sir i would be most greatfull if thou may please inform this poor humble brahmin as to what would be your favourite most loved and top 4 pheromone products. > > Thank you kindly in advance Oh illustrious Mariner. 🙂 Wow! Compliments that came from a well educated person, refine attitude, possesses high levels of virtue and sincerity are truly an honour to me!🙂 The word ‘Thankyou’ suddenly became ‘too small’ to be uttered and probably fail to make an impact to you!🙂 Truly speaking, I haven’t tried all the 13 types of pheromones which I possess. As you may already known that its effects not only vary on the wearer but also on the people around you especially when the “targets” are entirely Asians. It may take months of testing and observations before I could make any firm conclusions! However, my favourite 4 pheromones are Alpha 314, Ammo, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Instant Shine. One thing I noticed is, when I use pheromones (no matter for what purpose), it boost my confidence, and when you have it with you, you can consider that you have achieved 50% success and (I believe) the remainder won’t be so hard to accomplish. In other words it gives you the “Have Gun Will Travel” feelings!!😃 😃 😃 Anyway, It’s really nice to have you on board. Thank you very much, Sir! May God bless you always.🙂 “Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding” - The Holy Bible, Proverbs 4 ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2007, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/18 "2007-08-02T02:11:39Z")
I’m too much of a cheapo to buy very many products at once. Usually only 1 to 3 at a time so there wasn’t much to mix in the first place. Plus I’m also lazy and would rather just spritz on a single “all-in-one” like Ammunition or Chikara, with maybe a single “side booster” like IFM. Plus I actually am one of those people who like to know what each individual product does on it’s own. Only recently have I taken to “mixing” products with the intention of targeting a specific individual or small group, ie I might do Androstenone, Shine, IFM, and a shot of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). The “symphonic” mixes like catlord created were too much hassle in my mind. But that’s me. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-really-be-honest-guys/4593/19 "2007-08-02T02:21:32Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > I actually am one of those people who like to know what each individual product does on it’s own.The “symphonic” mixes like catlord created were too much hassle in my mind. Same with me too 🙂