# Life and the Monkey Wrench called Pheromones **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [October 8, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452 "2010-10-08T22:02:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/61 "2010-12-03T20:50:14Z")
I don’t actually ever recall outright aggression from guys, but of course I’ve only really tested 1.23A effectively so far. What I did notice was more congruency testing, but once I proved the status the respect was even more massive from their end. Reading your reports though I haven’t noticed a whole lot of male interactions. Were they avoiding you or you them? This is something I did notice from beta males, they avoided me like the plague. The ALPHAs wanted to hang with me though. Otherwise great reporting like always. Very informative. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/62 "2010-12-04T01:01:42Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I don’t actually ever recall outright aggression from guys, but of course I’ve only really tested 1.23A effectively so far. What I did notice was more congruency testing, but once I proved the status the respect was even more massive from their end. > > Reading your reports though I haven’t noticed a whole lot of male interactions. Were they avoiding you or you them? This is something I did notice from beta males, they avoided me like the plague. The ALPHAs wanted to hang with me though. Otherwise great reporting like always. Very informative. ^^^ This. I assumed -none might attribute aggression from guys since I was wearing 3 sprays of IJ, but I guess I need to test higher. Trying to use a backwards sweet spot system for this one. You have a point about the congruency testing. Some lady did talk to me in a negative manner when I was working at the mall at an earlier post. For male to male interactions, I never really got a chance at school due to the school social norms, seating arrangements, and ratio of girls to guys. Nice for you to mention your experience for the benefits and merits of being Alpha is pretty good in western culture. Glorification of individuality kind of pushes the every man for himself scenario but I see in some ways where this trend might be actually reversing. Just my opinion, but during my stay in Korea, I did notice a big trend in harmony and beta-like qualities such as obedience from older people. It’s actually considered beneficial to BE beta while alphaness is frowned upon when the average joe tries to be one. The barriers are being broken though, and individuality is paying off, but for a majority of people beta is the way to go. I guess in a way like-minded people tend to hang out with each other. I’m not sure where to put myself since my personality varies all the time between Alpha and Beta (and especially if you keep moving between cultures that support one or the other). ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/63 "2010-12-06T08:22:09Z")
Saturday and Sunday were pheromone free days. I stayed home mostly and did some homework along with some studies. I will have to do another presentation on Monday and the time now is 3:00am. I am most likely going to go on without any sleep. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/64 "2010-12-06T16:54:45Z")
Good reporting. Great detail as always. Sounds a bit like O-chem girl may have been proving herself a few times as an alpha female. I have seen similar situations when using A314 where one girl will begin to dominate the other girls while seeking my attention. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/65 "2010-12-08T04:05:59Z")
Monday, December 6th 2010 Daily Summary: No pheromone day (except for Dial Magnetic) Notes: Today was an unusually cold morning (high 30s). I find it harder to wake up on cold mornings and end up oversleeping most of the time. I thought about doing an [a314 spray](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic-spray/) application, but I realize that I forgot to bring the stuff since I had little sleep. I ran out of shampoo and I had the body wash left so I decided to use some of that as my shampoo. I noticed I had to get some gas and I went outside with my hood up and started to fill up my car. I was the only one outside, bundled up heavily when I see a white pickup truck with an older Caucasian lady inside stare at me as she drives to the pump station next to me. My fingers slowly losing feeling, I was about to leave for I was done pumping when I see the lady walking towards me. “Excuse me,” she says. “Do I know you? Do you work at Panera Bread?” 'Nope," I say as I shake my head. The lady nods and then goes back towards her truck. **Korean Class.** Today was presentation day and I had to present. I brought my portable gaming system with me to play in class since I was bored and Hip-Hop peeked over my shoulder to see what I was up to. “You wanna play,” I asked her while I offered her my gaming system. She nodded and proceeded to play, laughing occasionally when she saw the vivid letters of GAME OVER popping on the screen. Not sure if O-Chem was sitting behind me or not since I don’t remember looking back. If she was sitting behind me, then she was quiet (she was also done presenting on Friday too). **Japan Class.** I came into class and I found leader girl with an open container in her hand full of pound cake and offered me a piece. I took the delicious looking bread and I asked her what was it for and she said it was Amish Friendship Bread… kind of like a chain letter that uses baked good instead. I did notice that she offered the bread to whoever she was “close” with and I was surprised she offered it to me since I would just listen and provide some conversation to her once in a while. While we were waiting for our oral exams, conversations seemed mainly focused on leader girl. I would provide my input now and then and I was surprised on how much progress I made throughout this semester. I started with virtual no pheromone usage and little to no interactions with people. Half way through the semester, I decided to use pheromones since I had a stash still available (and due to my breakup with my girlfriend) I decided to get into this with a scientific view. Funny how people can change so fast. Tuesday, December 7th 2010 Daily Summary: 20 mcg of P78 and 5 mcg of P75 **Environment:** Bus -mid to high 30s. The bus was warm with little no wind. **Time:** 9:35am **Applications:** 2 x P75 @ 2.5mcg to the front of neck 4 x P78 @ 5mcg to the front of neck Notes: I applied at the parking lot and the mix smells very sickly sweet. Possibly a fruit or a girly hand lotion scent, but it is very pleasing to my nose. Later on as the day would go on, it kind of smelled like bubblegum? Anyways, I quickly sit down on the bus since it was cold out there. Three minutes pass and the bus stops at a bus stop when in comes a Caucasian girl with light brownish hair. She sits about 6 feet, northwest of me and within a minute she turns her head and does a quick stare at me. Does this over and over and over again withing a minute with a slight puzzled or curious expression on her face. I pretend I don’t notice and while I jot down my notes, she slyly starts to look at me now with using her eyes instead of her whole head. I’m pretty sure she was looking at me since there was nobody next to me and nobody behind me. **Possible Hit Summary:** -Rubberband neck. Today was a special day for the school decided to make this Tuesday into a Mon-Wed-Fri schedule so I had to go to Korean class again. Hip-Hop wanted to play my game again so I gave my game to her. O-Chem was sitting behind me and I was sure this time, but didn’t speak to any of us. Today was review day so we had to take a lot of notes so it could be due to the review that wasn’t letting in a talkative mood. **Japan Class.** Oral exams continued. I already went on Monday so I didn’t need to be in the classroom, but I wanted to anyways. Leader girl was missing since she went on Monday so that left Filipino/American girl and the other girl from the trio. Conversations were interesting for the two girls, perverted boy, some guy that I talked to now and then, and I were talking amongst each other about various things. I would just listen intently and nod now and then. I remember asking Filipino/American girl something and as she would talk to me, she made some steady eye contact that I happen to break by looking at my book. The conversation at first was centered on perverted boy’s wife then somehow got centered on me. People were asking some questions and I just answered them casually with some people either building upon that or further prolonging the conversation. Final thoughts for that day: -P78… maybe something to do with a social component? Possibly like nol, or something to do with a “friendly, get to know you” effect. -P78 and P75 mixed together smells really good. Wednesday, December 8th 2010 Daily Summary: A314 1.23B + IH + IS **Environment:** Car -high 30s. Car was well heated. **Time:** 2:30pm **Applications:** 2 x A314 1.23B To Go to the front of neck 2 x IHx2 to the front of neck 1 x IS To Go to the front of neck Notes: Some recent conversations on facebook revealed that M was a bit unsure of me since she didn’t “know” me. Then again, she had some issues with her last boyfriend cheating on her so I couldn’t blame her. What a better way to test beta nols since they seem to promote a bonding feeling. Ok, so for this date, she actually asked me out and we had a little bet. The bet was I was supposed to buy her some of those chocolaty snacks that Steve desires, if I couldn’t beat her high score in Robot Unicorn Attack. Applications were done at my house and I picked up M around 3:30 since I was late. Conversation were mostly personal with a lot of “secret” sharing. There was this one conversation I vividly remember where M was talking about how her mom had a very special intuition… too special to the point where she could read the minds of other people (if the thought was very focused). M gave me an example of this where her friend wanted to smoke some weed and M was unsure if she wanted to do it or not so she went to the kitchen to eat some lunch. Out of nowhere, her mom says she knows what M is up to and was shocked and appalled that she was about to do something illegal. M then gave me another example during a car ride when she thought about what music video to make with a song or two when she thought about Transformers. Out of nowhere, her mom says that is a great idea and agrees with the Transformers concept. Too bad M didn’t even mention a word to her mother. “I’ve never really told anyone this so you have to be careful with my mother,” M said. I couldn’t believe what my ears were hearing so I laughed like a hyena. She did mention a lot about her friend who recently moved away and didn’t wasn’t so affected about it. A lot of hair flicking along with a genuine smile or two. I thought I saw her staring at me, but wasn’t so sure about it since I was focused on my driving. Anytime we were walking outside, I made sure to make some sort of physical contact with her. We mostly spent our time walking side by side with my arm around her hip since it was cold. Lunch was okay, but there were a lot of pauses between conversation. Perhaps I was running out of things to say. After we had lunch, we went to the supermarket so I could buy her some Pocky. Instead of going straight to the snack aisle we took our time around the supermarket, staring at various items that caught our fancy. Another car ride, but this time to the place of lights where she told me it would be spectacular to go to. **5:30 or 6:00pm.** We got out of the car and the first thing she mentions was Saturday, November 27th’s (IJ initial testing) event. “Remember that convention? Well at that convention we did the Pocky test… you remember right?” My brain franticly scrambled to recall those events, but failed to due to my alcohol intoxication. “Oh yeah,” I said. “I do remember the Pocky test,” I say as I secretly say to myself, “What in the hell is the Pocky test?!?” Well it turns out that the Pocky test is basically when two people hold that chocolatly snack on their lips and proceed to eat it as they get closer and closer until they kiss. Kind of like the Lady and the Tramp image ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/9/95865846ab8f9ec7d4a051087a4c4b6273f1d2b4.jpeg) “Well, I want a redo since I was chewing gum!” She opens the snack and proceeds to put one in her mouth. I then get on the other end and we start to eat together and we eventually share a short, but brief one second kiss. The lights were very entertaining and we spent about two hours walking around in the cold. More conversations, some funny and some personal. The interesting part was when it was all over and when we were in the parking lot. M gave me a hug and said that she enjoyed the lights and she was unusually very close to my face, sporting a great smile. Out of nowhere she gives a quick peck on the lips and I react accordingly. “Hey now. That was a wimpy kiss,” I say. I give her a proper kiss that lasted for about twenty seconds and I stop since I didn’t want the cold to irritate her extremities. She invited me over for some Mochi ice-cream since I never had it. The car ride was a bit more quieter than usually and I swear I could have seen a big smile on her face… but then again I was grinning like a mofo as well. After about 5 minutes, we arrived at her house. She then introduced me to her dog (a Maltese) and the dog was all over me. “He really likes you,” she said as the dog nibbled and bit on my fingers and wrists. She then gave me a short tour of the house and we came to her room where she explained a lot of things while we waited for the ice-cream to warm up. Went back to the kitchen and I stuffed the mochi in my mouth for I thought it was warm enough, but I was treated to brain freeze instead. M laughed as I tried desperately to swallow the ice-creamy, cold dessert down quickly. “My mouth is soooo cold,” I scream as I enjoy the sweet tasting treat. “Maybe I could warm it up,” she says as she gets close to me. She then gives me a kiss to which I end abruptly. “I would continue, but I don’t want powder to get all over your lips,” I say with a cheesy smile. The rest of the evening goes well when her little brother and sister comes into the house along with her mother. I greet everyone except for the little brother since he already knows me. We then proceed to go upstairs to play some Wii. No negative interactions with the kids. The kids seem to like me and there was this one point where the kids and M would sometimes ask me for approval for certain things in the game such as, “Do you think I am able to make this shot?” or “Is this a good place?” I eventually had to go and I said goodbye to M’s little sister. The little sis however, was drinking a soda when her mother made a comment about it. “Drink some water or milk. It’s really good for you and you should drink only a little bit of soda,” I say knowing from personal experience. M’s mom looks at me and nods in agreement. We make some small talk and I bid her farewell. She extended her hand out for a farewell handshake and I gave her one. M followed me out to my car and we hug one last time. Mentions something about getting together again before I leave out of town for the Christmas holidays and I agree to her intentions. Another hug and another kiss. “You know you give some better hugs when you’re drunk,” she says. I laugh and I bid her farewell. **Possible Hit Summary:** -A lot of personal information obtained. -Mood didn’t seem to differ much when I mentioned something sad. -A lot of preening -Seemed comfortable in the realm of physical contact -Kids seemed to like me. Like I was a good ol’ friend of theirs or a bigger brother / another father. -Dog liked me as well. Final thoughts for that day: -Much different from the previous car rides. Lack of quantity of conversations without the IO, but more personal related conversations since there was more IH. -With the A314 1.23B, there was a bit more decision making in my part along with maintaining conversations. -A314 1.23B + IH + IS mix… I give it a 7/10. High marks go to the **amazing bonding power** and the desirability of the man the A314 1.23B presents, but it doesn’t surpass an 8 due to the lack of conversations. In some cases, I feel like it can be overbearing when with a shy girl… ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/66 "2010-12-14T01:38:12Z")
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. No pheromone application days. I also stayed home and got some studies done. The only thing I should mention is I have been using Dial Magnetic again since I ran out of shampoo (dime/quarter sized). Tuesday and Wednesday is going to be no pheromone days as well. M offered me plenty of chances to get together before I leave for Florida for the holidays. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 6:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/67 "2010-12-20T06:26:31Z")
Thursday and Saturday were no pheromone days. I basically stayed home. Friday, December 17th 2010 Daily Summary: 3 Sprays of A314 1.23B **Environment:** Mall **Time:** 11:30am **Applications:** 3 x A314 1.23B Notes: Plenty of respect and submissiveness by clients. Comparing my notes from Friday and partly Sunday since I didn’t have on pheromones then, a lot of clients would ask me for something and would make a decision then. Some persuasion would lead me to purchases, but without a -rone application, it is hard to steer it to a good direction (Unless IH + IO is present, can replace -rone). I could definitely see a difference between no pheromones and with pheromones, although it is important at times to work on your natural chemistry… Didn’t really have a chance to observe men’s reactions since it was busy. Sunday, December 19th 2010 Daily Summary: IJ + IO + P78 + IS **Environment:** Car -high 30s. Car was well heated. **Time:** 4:30pm **Applications:** 3 x IJ To Go to the front of neck 3 x IO to the front of neck 2 x IS To Go to the front of neck 3 x P78 @ 5mcg to the front of neck Notes: There was a slight problem with either the IO or P78 application for I applied outside of the car and the wind picked up very quickly, thus it may be possible for some of the spray contents to miss my neck area. The goal in mind was to raise **sexual interest** and at the same time to figure out what in the hell P78 was. I applied about a short 5 minute drive away from her house at a gas station and I noticed that there was a slight piss-like smell (very very faint), but not too much. I roll up to her house and I ring the doorbell, hoping for my pretty date to answer the door, but what I got instead totally threw me off. It was her dad! (We met during the initial A314 1.23B testing date) I never really did well with -none applications and people of higher authority do much well with -rone, but I managed to squeeze out a weak, “Is M here,” after freezing for a moment or two. “Let me see… No, she’s not here,” M’s dad replies in a joking manner, but I can hear M’s protest behind the doors. She pops out and greets me with a smile before I managed to fumble with goodbyes to her dad. Car ride was interesting. Without IO, I would have a hard time maintaining conversations, but the IO seemed to kick in. It was a more… relaxed environment should I say. There was a slight aggressive component / aggressive speech pattern M managed to manifest, but this could be slightly due to the -none since I remember a same pattern on the night of the IJ initial test. Couple of DIHL displays. After we saw a movie, M gave me a very brief kiss before we got in the car. The movie made her cry a little bit so I made sure to cheer up her while we ate some good Japanese food. Conversations was hard to make while we ate, but then again with good food, I’d rather be eating than talking. Japanese cashier lady (mid 20ish) asked if I enjoyed my meal and I said yes. She seemed a bit bubbly. A lot of smiles and interest… I think. It was my first time eating Japanese Ramen, I say to her while I wait for the credit card machine to print out my receipt. She then asks me if I was Korean and I say yes in Japanese. The next words I couldn’t make out since I was calculating tip, but I could have heard her say something about Korean people being cute? cool? (in Japanese btw) Throughout the car ride back and throughout the day, I experienced a bit of IH effects on the both of us. Maybe it was the “rules” of conversation where people take turns discussing something personal in their lives, but then again there was a point where M took the liberty to talk about two secret aspects about her after having a mini-debate with herself. Complained that she wanted to stay out longer with me. The last part of the car ride was interesting. Out of the blue, she tells me that I smell really good and I offer her a chance to get a good whiff. Sniffs my neck for about 10 seconds and continues to do so while I drive her back to my house. Seemed a bit fixated on my scent and keeps on complimenting about it. Finally arrived at her house when she says out loud, “Oh, I have ten minutes left before I need to go back to my house.” I make my move and we start to kiss. The kiss seemed longer. Definitely no resistance, along with a couple of soft moans of pleasure. She really seemed to enjoy it and didn’t pull away for I pulled away first as we just cuddled inside my car. More kissing followed. She mentioned that I was a good kisser and I swear I thought I heard her say, “I’m up for more than kissing and hugging…” I do remember when we was cuddling, she would stay right near my neck **Possible Hit Summary:** -sexual interest seemed to be increased due to -none -a lot of talking Thoughts for the day: -I’m digging the IJ / IO / IS / P78 mix. IS to counter any negative thoughts and to lift one’s spirits. IJ to keep that sexual interest. IO to make way for talk and P78 to familiarize? -Hunch time for P78. I got a feeling it has something to do with familiarization? I tended to get some IH effects even though I wasn’t wearing IH. Familiarization is a funny thing for people can use it to increase likability… -I give the mix above, 8 out of 10. Seems to suffer when it comes to high status people unless one has good game to win the hearts of the royals. -For the scent, I believe it is either the IJ or the P78 that held her interest. It was about 5 hours after application when she sniffed my neck. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/68 "2010-12-20T19:08:53Z")
Great report!! However at this point I have to tell you that I think this a lot more you than it is mones. The mones may be making things easier and communicating for you, but you are the one that put this together. She likes you not the mones. That was evident a while back. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/69 "2010-12-22T19:23:43Z")
JosieW is right, like what’s new there! Seriously this was foretold a long time ago by my magic 8 ball. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/70 "2010-12-23T13:53:46Z")
Thursday, December 23rd 2010 Daily Summary: IJ + P78 in a sales environment **Environment:** Mall **Time:** 8:50am **Applications:** 2 x IJ To Go? 5 x P78 @ 5mcg ,total 25mcg. Notes: For my To Go sprays, there seems to be something funny going on with them. Sometimes I would get a spray that seemed like a normal amount, but it would be all concentrated in one spot instead of diffusing. The next spray would operate normally… I’ve always wondered what a -none application would do versus a -rone application. I find that too much -rone makes me go into “observer” mode since I think I am too good to make talk with you. With the IJ I feel like it is easier to make talk, but I didn’t get a lot of respect I would usually get with -rone (longer eye contact, establishing facial contact while communicating). Nothing really out of the ordinary. I guess today was more like a self analysis day. Perhaps a 2:1 -none to -rone ratio next time? There is going to be a New Year’sesque party some time next week. I plan to go with M, but in the meantime I will be pheromone free. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/71 "2010-12-28T14:52:50Z")
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**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/72 "2010-12-29T05:11:16Z")
Wednesday, December 29th 2010 Daily Summary: A314 1.23B + IO **Environment:** M’s House **Time:** 4:00pm **Applications:** 1 x A314 1.23B to the front of neck 2 x IO to the front of neck Notes: Made a big mistake in going to M’s house for I misunderstood a written part and thought it was okay for me to go to her house. Turns out her mother wanted to go see a movie with M… Anyways, I applied around 4:00 and arrived at her house around 4:40pm. I ring the doorbelll and M’s little brother and sister greet meet, delighted to see me as well. The brother goes upstairs to get M and she goes on a hysteria for it was a long time since we met each other and she really wanted to see me as well. Attempted to hide her face from me since she wasn’t dolled up and such. “What are YOU doing here,” she says in a happy, questionable manner. “I thought you said it was okay for me to come over,” I say. She then explains the situation in which makes me look kind of like a fool. “Well as long as I am here, might as well play with the kids!” I greet M’s mother and she’s pleased to see me. Much better confidence and situational awareness due to the -rone application. I didn’t freak out as usual without -rone, so the A314 was a big boost to my mannerisms and actions. M then asked her Mom if it was okay if I could go to the movies with them and she accepted without any hesitation. Upstairs in the gaming room, M’s little bro was beating the hell out of me in a fighting game. I did fairly well considering it was my first time playing, but I saw M tearing it up. I did notice something unusual though. Couch Diagram: ME–M’s sis–M–M’s bro I sat on the very left and observed quietly when her little sister at first kept some space between me, started to lean ever so slightly to the left and eventually placed her head on my arm. I knew she wasn’t tired and it seemed like forever that she held it on that spot. We also played some card game where you had to reason with a “judge” in order to win their approval. At first I had a weak reason and thought I lost, but when it was M’s little sister’s turn to be the judge, she declared me a winner. On later matches, she would 80% of the time declare me to be the winner and would explain to M and her brother that I didn’t pressure her to judge faster so I would win her approval (the beginning though, there was no pressure). M would try to lean into my arms while I would playfully push her away. The kids turned hungry and wanted some food so M proposed some Taco Bell. **6:00pm** Before heading towards Taco Bell, we made a trip to the dollar store to see what treasure were there. Ended up buying some candy for her to sneak into the movies. Some lady at the checkout lane accidentally backed her cart onto my thick sneaker and said “Sorry, sir.” Taco Bell however, was another story. Cashier lady greeted us and I told her our order, but it turns out that I failed to order it in a combo. The lady didn’t want to void the transaction or tack on extra money so she decided to give drinks to us for free. “Sorry for that confusion,” I say. “No, no. It was my fault. I should have asked you if you wanted it in a combo,” she says. We wait for our food and made some small talk with M. She offered to share her root beer drink with me and I asked if there was water at her house and she said yes. “You can always drink healthy at your house,” she says. “I suppose I could drink some root beer…” **7:00pm** Not a lot of talking since everyone was too busy eating. I finished first and casually made some questions to each person while I waited for them to finish eating. Questions seemed easy to flow out of my mouth. At the movie theater I offered to pay for my own ticket, but M’s mother insisted that she pay for mine. I accepted her generosity and waited in line with the two for M’s mom wanted popcorn. I saw this waving done by M and wondering what in the hell she was doing. “Grab my hand,” she says and I quickly do. I don’t try to show interest especially in the proximity of parents, but it appears like M’s mom already knew. We enter the place where the movie was actually being shown and that is when M’s mom said, “Where do you want to sit,” to M at first. She turns to me and then says, “Actually, you make the decision for us.” Calm and cool, I lead us to a middle section. In the fearful parts of the movie, M would occasionally turn her head away from the screen and bury her face into my arm. **10:00pm** Back at the house, played with the dog again. Dog seemed to love me. M made a comment about my jeans saying that she like the buttons on the side. I thank her with a smile. Out of the blue though, she did mention that she had a similar lesbian-like dream the protagonist in the movie had with the same actress. **Possible Hit Summary:** -cashier lady was giving me a lot of respect -M’s little sister’s actions -increased flow of conversations from me Thoughts for that day: -A314 definitely helps when meeting the parents. -at 1 spray, I don’t seem to get the all mighty powerful god effect, which is good. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/73 "2010-12-29T22:37:48Z")
So what movie did you see? Did the whole family go? Were you able to accomplish the yawn arm around M maneuver? Did my echo chamber trick work to get you back? ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/74 "2010-12-30T00:48:21Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > So what movie did you see? Did the whole family go? Were you able to accomplish the yawn arm around M maneuver? > > Did my echo chamber trick work to get you back? Black Swan. Only M and her mom went since they were supposed to have mom / daughter time together. I don’t think I did the yawn arm trick since she was grabbing my arm for the most part (the scary bits did the work for me). Might have been due to the chamber trick. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/75 "2011-01-06T02:20:03Z")
Wednesday, January 05th 2011 Daily Summary: IJ+IG+IS+IH+P75 **Environment:** Car **Time:** 11:30am **Applications:** 2 x IJ To Go to the front of neck 1 x IG To Go to the front of neck 2 x IHx2 to the front of neck 3 x IS To Go to the front of neck (with 1 application applied at 11:30am and two more applied at 2:00pm) 4 x P75 @ 2.5mcg to the front of neck (total of 10mcg) **A little background info** (or specifically what happened on NYE) No pheromones applied that day, but I did bring some alcohol which she did enjoy. Ended up making out more than usual, but she seemed very hesitant whenever I went to touch her erogenous zones. Actually stopped me and voiced her opinion on how fast I was going and that we weren’t boyfriend and girlfriend yet. It’s all about communication folks and I thought that we were already a couple so by the end of the day I made it official. WEDNESDAY’s EVENT Car ride took about an hour to her house. I don’t think I tried the IJ + IG combination so I was very curious about the effects. I also wanted to revisit P75. No eye twitching throughout the day whatsoever and the sudden sleepiness that comes with it seemed to be not present. Then again, I was lacking some sleep that day so I was surprised. Arrived a bit early. I talked to her little brother and sister while I waited on her to dress up. They seem happy whenever I visit them and we usually get into good conversations. A simple question usually gets long answers whenever I apply IH. **Car Ride** , Time was about 12:40pm. Started off with the usually greets and such. M told me a change of plans for we were supposed to go double dating with her friend, but there was an unseen problem. Most of the conversations was based on experiences playing a certain video game (and with **great detail** ). It seemed comfortable in the car without much awkwardness. **My House** , Time was about 1:30pm when we arrived. Gave her a little tour and we proceeded to play video games. At first we sat side-by-side and I noticed that she would try to lean into me as I watched her play. Saw that she would usually scratch her neck or flip her hair to the side. We played for a good hour before I decided to see what I could scrounge up for lunch and she ended up eating some roast beef slices. The atmosphere was pleasant and relaxing (considering my brother was still in the house). Brother went outside to workout and that when I made my move. She seemed very receptive this time, with no comment made whenever I touched her spots. The only resistance part I did receive was when I attempted to go beneath her clothes, that’s when she mentioned “Outside, good. Inside, Bad.” “Why don’t we move to my bed,” I say. “I don’t want you to get a neck cramp.” She complies and we cuddle on the bed for a good while. More kissing and cuddling. That’s when I discovered she gets turned on whenever I stroke her neck softly. There was this one point where she did get on top and was slightly aggressive in her advances towards me. More cuddling, when I decided to pop her a question. I don’t like talking about sex and it took me a good while debating this before I asked, “You’ve had sex before right?” Innocent, yet seductive, she replies with a no. Even more cuddling and I noticed that she spent a majority of her time near my neck, giving me plenty of compliments on how I smell. **Car Ride Back** , Time was about 5:30pm. It was raining on the way back. I explained that since she was a virgin, I didn’t really want to ruin her life by having sex with her. She said that I wasn’t going to ruin her life. Some quietness in the car and she mentioned that she was sorry about being a bit sexually aggressive for a moment back in my house. “I have a tendency to… not stop once I get past a certain point,” she says bashfully. **M’s House** , Time was about 7:30pm. Spent time lounging around. More time spent with her little sister. The three of us was in the kitchen when M wanted the little sister to leave by asking her trivial stuff. “Don’t you have better things to do?” or “Why don’t you watch football with Dad?” Eventually the little sister complied and left the two of us in the kitchen. She then proceeded to kiss me with a bit more effort than usual. After a good makeout session, I told her that I had to go, but she didn’t want to release me! Plus the fact that anyone could easily go to the kitchen and see us all tongue-tied made it a bit risky, yet she continued to kiss. More making out ensued. I made sure to stop when she was excited and she released a little girly whimper. “I have to go,” I say. “But I’m turned on right now,” she says with a slight frown of disappointment. “There’s always next time,” I say with a smirk. **Possible Hit Summary:** -some actions seem a bit easier to carry out. -some secrets shared -sexual advances seem to be increased -less sexual resistance -more cuddling / clinging? Thoughts for that day: -Perhaps the combination of P75 and IH made it easier to convey my inner most questions. I had a huge dilemma with her being a virgin and with me having sex. -P75 does it increase sexual aggression? Normally when we makeout, I have to do all of the work, but it seemed like another part of M took over… ---
**Author:** ![Deja\_Vu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deja_vu/32/256_2.png) [@Deja\_Vu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Deja_Vu)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2011, 5:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/76 "2011-01-06T05:13:24Z")
Okay please elaborate more on the “action in her kitchen” when you get the time 😃 ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/77 "2011-01-09T23:09:57Z")
Recent phone call with the girlfriend. She drunk called me at midnightish and we talked about all sorts of things. When it came to the topic of snuggling however, she did make a lot of comments about how I smelled. Seemed to really really like how I smell. “You smell like comfort. Whenever we snuggle you smell AMAZING and it is comforting for me.” I have a strong feeling it is due to the IH. Oh IH, how I thought I was a simpleton in just using you as a topic deepener, but the power of bonding seems to be very underrated ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/78 "2011-01-15T05:34:47Z")
Friday, January 14th 2011 Recent BIG snowstorm in the southeast made road conditions very bad. On the other hand, it gave me time for my [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and Olfact’s MX301 mix to come to my house. Daily Summary: P83 Introduction **Environment:** M’s House **Time:** 2:30pm **Applications:** 2 x P83 @ 2.5mcg to the front of neck (total of ~5mcg) Notes: Didn’t seem to feel any noticeable self effects on the drive to her house. It took about an hour. **3:30pm** Her dad greeted me at the door and was pleased to see me. The dog was happy to see me as well, bouncing off the walls and such. M did her usually greeting followed by a hug. She happened to wear a dress for me and I complimented her on it. Her little brother was taking a test so I helped her little sister out with her homework. Some chaos when the little bro dropped a plate and I made sure to clear a pathway for everyone to escape. **4:30pm** Interesting part here. The little sis and I played some video games and we were sitting right next to each other and I noticed that she leaned on my arm as if in a “comfortable” or “I like you manner.” Victories together would be shared with a lot of joy coming from this elementary school girl. M freshened up in the bathroom and sat next to me and waited for a good bit, but eventually tried to persuade her little sister to stop playing so M can show me a better video game. The two kind of got into a little fight over me and all I could do was nervously laugh. **5:30pm** M took her usually spot and sat on top of my legs. I didn’t try to make a lot of advances on her, but it’s hard not to when you got a cute, nice-smelling, dressed as a boy’s fantasy girl right in front of you. Being a good gentleman I am, I tried to focus on the video game and not her intoxicating, wonderful smell that was coming from her neck. **6:30pm** My favorite part of the day. M proceeded to show me her sex visual novel game, which is like a good story book, but with SEX and all that fancy jazz. We already made a plan for her to show me this game during the snow days so I’m not surprised. By the time the characters had sex, she was already sitting on my lap looking at me with all sorts things in her mind. We kissed and slowly made our way to her bed. I found that biting her ear can make her turn a bit “aggressive” in her acts so I wondered what would happen if I did that. The next thing I knew I was on the bottom and she was getting very physical. I thought she was licking my neck, but it turns out she was giving me a bloody hickey! “Huhuhu,” she laughs in an evil, seductive way. “Now you’re mine,” M says with a slight smirk on her face. I didn’t know she was referring to the hickey until the next morning. More kissing and such, but her friend arrived! **7:30pm** Made our introductions. From what I hear, M’s friend (a girl) had somewhat of a bi-curious tendencies that M currently possesses. The kids were hungry so I made a quick trip and got food. When we were eating though, I noticed M’s friend would out of nowhere start to flick her hair towards M’s direction (but I was sitting behind M too so it could be to either one of us). **9:00pm** Three of us in M’s room. At first M’s friend acted all shy n such for she didn’t want to give M a kiss, but here she made a sudden move and gave her a quick one. We just hanged out in M’s room going through her stuff (and occasionally played monkey in the middle with M’s panties and bras). Strange part was while I was on M’s bed playing with her bedtime doll, the friend would be on her computer busy explaining and talking about the good ol’ days. M would sometimes lay right next to me or even get on top while I tried to not show any displays of affection due to her friend being in the room (it’s to preserve the harmony and not to be selfish in order to please other people). She goes far enough to give me kisses and physically places my hand on her breast in order to stimulate her. Very different since she is a bit shy when it comes to this kind of stuff. Or maybe she is getting comfortable with me? More kissing done by M’s friend to M. **10:30pm** Time for me to go. Made my farewell, this time getting a good hug from M’s mother (and our first). Farewell kiss and I bidded a goodbye. **Possible Hit Summary:** -more touching going on with her little sis. -sexual advances increased Final thoughts for that day: -interestingly enough, P83 seems to have the touchy feely going on without any -none. -P83 also might have to do something with lowering inhibitions. Considering the fact that M’s friend gave more kisses to M as time progressed and with multiple attempts of M trying to make a move at me even though I was passive. -at this low of a dose, it takes more time for someone to do something. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/79 "2011-01-18T06:43:47Z")
Sunday, January 16th 2011 Daily Summary: Olfact’s MX301 introduction **Environment:** M’s House **Time:** 6:00pm **Applications:** 2 x OA-MX301 to the front of neck (one spray applied at 1:30pm and the other at 6:00pm) Notes: I had to go to the mall and help out today so I was curious to see what this mix is about. One spray and it was very spicy? musky? I assume I got the scent packaged up in cologne grade Akuto instead of a lighter version. Compared to A314 1.23B, I found that it ranked slightly lower than A314. Couldn’t really tell any self effects. Customers seemed a bit easier to talk to for sometimes I would hesitate without any pheromones. M’s friend was still hanging out at her house so we didn’t get to do much. I felt like this wasn’t sexual and leaned a little towards social, but this could be due to not enough alone time. We mainly cuddled with her friend reading some magazines on the bed. I couldn’t gather anything so I might need to test this again. ## Final thoughts for that day: -needs more testing in various situations Monday, January 17th 2011 Daily Summary: A314 1.23B + IO + P83 **Environment:** M’s House **Time:** 6:30pm **Applications:** 4 x P83 @ 2.5mcg to the sides of neck (total of 10mcg) 1 x IO to the front of neck 1 x A314 1.23B to the front of neck Notes: I couldn’t bear to test the MX301 again so I opted for the A314 1.23B since I had a possible meeting with her parents (and because the scent absolutely rocks). I was supposed to pick up M’s siblings and tutor the little lil sis so I was careful not to -none up. Some IO to make talking with the siblings a bit better and P83 as a possible substitution for -none. **8:00pm** Picked up M and her siblings. M was a little embarrassed to show her face since she was all sweaty from exercise. Siblings were in a positive mood with the little brother talking A LOT about the video game I let him borrow. **8:30pm** Dinner at M’s house. Light dinner with the siblings. The little bro seemed still enthusiastic about the video game. M wanted the tutoring session to quickly go by so we could have some private time. \*\*\*\*9:30pm No problems with tutoring. She did however take me to the living room where she started to get a little physical on the couch with me. “Why don’t we go to your room,” I ask in a whisper. She agrees and we quietly go upstairs not to disturb the children. We get inside and the first thing she does is she locks the door. “A bit strange,” I thought since she usually closes the door without locking it. I get on top and I start to get her real hot and going (especially by biting her ears). She switches positions with me and once again, goes for my recently healed neck that had a hickey and goes a bit crazy here. I probably had it coming to me since I tend to show very pleasurable reactions when she is going at my neck, but this time not one but TWO hickeys. Two bigger in size, two darker in color and one on each side of my neck that were strangely near the P83 application spots. **10:00pm** We both sat with the little bro and observed him play my game. Seemed very excited about it and expressed to me many times on how much he enjoyed the game. I would ask him simple questions and he would further prolong the conversation by adding more and more details. Kind of reminded me of the youtube video where the kid received a Nintendo 64 as a Christmas present and spazzed out. I wasn’t annoyed by his constant banter for I was pleased he was having fun. M would have her face near my neck and kind of position herself in a clingy?/ I’m yours? kind of way. **11:00pm** Farewells and goodbye kisses. Can’t seem to get enough of me for she was reluctant to let me go. **Possible Hit Summary:** -sexual advances -a lot of talking done by the brother Final thoughts for that day: -sexuality a bit easier to express? Comparing Friday with today, I got double the amount of hickeys with a doubled dose of P83. Expressing sexuality was easier for me and it was easier for me to make advances if I wanted to. Same probably went for M. -not sure where the clingy comes from. I don’t mind it, but I may have a suspicion it might be due to A314 1.23B ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452/80 "2011-01-23T15:56:11Z")
Friday, January 21st 2011 Daily Summary: Olfact’s MX301 resumed **Environment:** M’s House **Time:** 2:00pm **Applications:** 2 x OA-MX301 to the front of neck (applied at 12:30pm) Notes: M and I had a little bet going where we couldn’t kiss each other and the first person who made a move had to be in a dress. She teased me and got real close to my face for she really wanted to win, but I resisted. The car ride was full of talk since M was talking about one of her video games that she was playing. Saying how awesome it was and noting how much it meant to her as well as the correlation she gotten from it. A lot of IH-esque moments without an IH application. **3:30pm** Played some video games at my house. She remained close in proximity and I felt like I wanted to keep hugging her. I felt more cuddly with her even though on the screen she was blasting away at people. We did happen to eat lunch and she stated that one of the reasons why she mentioned the game earlier in the car was that she compared one of the protagonists as me and she wanted to spend the best of her time with me even though I had to leave the country. It’s kinda like if you had a boyfriend or girlfriend and you found out they had only a couple of months to live, what would you do? Couple minutes after hearing that, I kissed her, thus making me lose the bet. **6:30pm** M kept yawning in the car. She decided to put her head on my lap and we rode like this for a while. **8:30pm** After meeting up with some friends, I couldn’t tell anything from what the 301 was doing. One of my friends offers me party locations as usual and everyone wasn’t different. I suppose it would be easier if I tested this in a random environment. M was having fun. I had to drop her off so we went to the car and made out. Went further than usual though, with M actually telling me that she was going to let me go further with her body on her birthday, but allowed me to proceed on for today. Told me to call her when I was done hanging out with friends. **11:30pm** Got a couple of text messages and missed calls (her phone acts strange, so it’s nobody’s fault). Says she wants to talk to me and already misses me. I called her briefly and said I was going to call her later since we were someplace really loud. At that time she sounded a bit frustrated due to her phone acting up **12:30am** Called her again and it was like a wife waiting for her war-deployed husband to return back home. Says how much she missed me and such. We talked about everything that happened today and our relationship in the future. Nothing negative. A lot of understanding and support. Final thoughts for that day: -this mix seems to be more of a bondy / relationship builder. -more clinging behavior than usual, then again we didn’t see each other for a long time + whenever I advance sexually she tends to follow up. -hard to say what were the effects on my friends. we didn’t see each other for about a month. still acted like good friends though. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452.md?page=3) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-and-the-monkey-wrench-called-pheromones/42452.md?page=5)