# Life without mones, not that great as with...a rant.. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 9, 2007, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422 "2007-03-09T00:04:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/1 "2007-03-09T00:04:00Z")
okay, this might be a little long but I figured I’d share. I’m wondering if anyone feels the same. I’ve been using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for almost a year now. not all the time, but most of the time. This past week, I barely used any. I usually use androstenone in most of my uses, so basically I didn’t use any androstenone this past week. Anyway, I know some people say the differences with vs. without pheromones are slight. I used to think that way too, but I don’t really any more. I noticed a huge difference in the way stuff is without pheromones. I guess the other times that I thought I wasn’t wearing any were times that I still had some residue on me. I can feel a difference in the energy level of people around me. with pheromones, I feel like there’s a spotlight on me wherever I go. and maybe part of that is because I can sometimes get a few positive reactions and then attribute stuff to the pheromones that may not actually be another result of them. But still, generally, pheromones really draw people towards me. it seems like everyone around is in such a jolly mood and I’m the center of attention. now I’m not saying I get a boost off the attention or that i rely on it for any sort of positive feeling, i could care less. but, when i am the center of attention, I CAN GET AWAY WITH TONS OF STUFF and there are so many positives to it. I’ve gotten away with better grades in classes, getting a ton more respect in work environments even if i show up an hour late to a meeting, it’s sooo much easier to break the ice with women, and in any sort of negotiation (business or non-business) i always win. people avoid confrontations with me and i just seem to get my way no matter what. I don’t think it’s unethical or anything, but I feel like i’m cheating myself at the game of life. like, like I don’t have to try as hard to get my way with people, and so i think maybe that makes me not improve as much on own negotiation or persuasion skills. i’ve learned to just wear them and forget about it, but the difference is obvious when i went the past week mostly without. life is just so much easier with them, specifically androstenone. I’m not saying it’s bad or good, but i think it’s sort of weird. one thing i’ve noticed in the past week without is that the reactions i get with pheromones are unreal and not very common. in other words, pheromones create situations, at work, in negotiations, with women, etc. that i don’t see naturally happening among other people. what i’m saying is they don’t just bring out the best in my ‘charm’ but they bring out so much charm it’s just not natural. i don’t see any of the stuff that happens to me ever happening to other people. i mean it could be that i wouldn’t know but…for ex, i don’t see dihls happening to other guys, unless they are out of the ordinary looking. in work, school, etc., it’s almost as if when i’m around i get praised and other people get shit on. i guess part of it is that i feel like i’m getting hooked on the pheromone way of life. and the other part is that i’m not so comfortable with some of the unnaturally high reactions i get, and i can’t always be congruent to those situatons. of course the latter is my own choice, and actually both are but i just was wondering if anyone else feels their life is different with pheromones and if you’ve gone without them recently, don’t you also notice a stark difference? anyone else feel me on this? ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/2 "2007-03-09T00:35:46Z")
Yeah, i’d have to agree. For me it’s Taa, alphanol, and a314 but to each their own. That’s awsome that androstenone has had such a positive influence on your life. I wouldn’t worry about cheating life. If anything you are taking advantage of it. If pheromones help you get the most out of every day embrace it. ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/3 "2007-03-09T03:20:27Z")
Good post. For me it would likely more be -nol overall that has “changed my life”, made surreal situations etc. -none has underperformed totally. But glad it works great for you though. Matthew ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/4 "2007-03-09T03:42:21Z")
Nice introspection man. I really think that after continued pheromone use, it might be a good idea to lay off of them for a while and to note the difference. I haven’t intentionally done this, but there have been extended periods where I simply didn’t have the time or opportunity to put mones on when I otherwise would have. (ie really crazy weeks). It really allows you to appreciate how good they are once again. Continual pheromone use makes the effects seem second nature, and we lose track of how effective these things really are. For me when testing products and mixes, leaving certain things out and noting the change can give me a better idea of what an individual component is doing (kind of the backwards process of testing products individually). I went through a testing phase where I left androstenone completely out of my mixes for a couple of weeks, and I actually ended up missing it. I got so caught up in the negative effects of it, that I neglected the positives. Through that experience I learned how to use androstenone a bit more effectively, though I’d still like to find a comparable substitute. As far as life changing pheromones go, I’d have to say that the most beneficial ones to me are beta and alpha androstenol. When I leave these out of the mix, things certainly do change around me. All of my mixes sit on a base of alpha or beta nol (at times both) ---
**Author:** ![talache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@talache](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/talache)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/5 "2007-03-09T03:54:20Z")
i dont know what life with pheromones is like i have never used them but from what i see and read it makes life much beter i hope mine arriva before i get my grades back ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/6 "2007-03-09T04:37:53Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > If anything you are taking advantage of it. If pheromones help you get the most out of every day embrace it. I concur, and I also want to thank Smoothplayer for sharing such a deep insight on things concerning with and without pheromones. It’s great to hear you making the best of everyday as I wouldn’t call it cheating life if you have advantages everyday, I call that living life to the best we can! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/7 "2007-03-09T07:18:49Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Nice introspection man. > > I really think that after continued pheromone use, it might be a good idea to lay off of them for a while and to note the difference. I haven’t intentionally done this, but there have been extended periods where I simply didn’t have the time or opportunity to put pheromones on when I otherwise would have. (ie really crazy weeks). It really allows you to appreciate how good they are once again. Continual pheromone use makes the effects seem second nature, and we lose track of how effective these things really are. > > For me when testing products and mixes, leaving certain things out and noting the change can give me a better idea of what an individual component is doing (kind of the backwards process of testing products individually). **I went through a testing phase where I left androstenone completely out of my mixes for a couple of weeks, and I actually ended up missing it. I got so caught up in the negative effects of it, that I neglected the positives. Through that experience I learned how to use androstenone a bit more effectively, though I’d still like to find a comparable substitute.** > > As far as life changing pheromones go, I’d have to say that the most beneficial ones to me are beta and alpha androstenol. When I leave these out of the mix, things certainly do change around me. All of my mixes sit on a base of alpha or beta Androstenol (at times both) Sigma, what exactly did you miss about Androstenone’s positives? Was it say wearing all comfort/social mones, things were progressing well in a social direction but actual ‘arousal’ and ‘getting action’ were placed on the backburner for your targets - as in Androstenone seems to push the envelope sexually unlike anything else and without it, things seem to move in the ‘slow lane’ too much… or was it the way Androstenone seems to make things ‘edgier’ and a touch more aggressive in interactions… or was it both or is there more you can add… Visionary ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/8 "2007-03-09T12:40:41Z")
> [@](#): > > i guess part of it is that i feel like i’m getting hooked on the pheromone way of life. and the other part is that i’m not so comfortable with some of the unnaturally high reactions i get, and i can’t always be congruent to those situatons. of course the latter is my own choice, and actually both are but i just was wondering if anyone else feels their life is different with pheromones and if you’ve gone without them recently, don’t you also notice a stark difference? > > anyone else feel me on this? Yes - it’s like going out wearing crappy clothes and hair when you are normally perfectly groomed and dressed and the bump down in status is no fun. The thing is the effects compound over time in ways that are much more noticeable to others than you. So you meet up with old friends you haven’t seen for a year or two and in many ways they are just in the same place they always were whereas you have changed and grown. Even if one were to stop wearing pheromones after five years, I think you would see a permanent improvement in your life compared to how it would have been otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![chirimoya](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chirimoya/32/1538_2.png) [@chirimoya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chirimoya)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/9 "2007-03-09T14:57:34Z")
Great thread. I’ve only been using pheromones for about 2 months, but I’m intrigued in the tone my life has taken since I began. I feel far more centered, far more powerful. I am still a noob, but I know enough now to know that there is “something there.” I agree with PheroQuirk that if you were to stop using pheromones after 5 years, you life would have permanent improvement. There is a subtle psychological shift if your intent is to improve your life and your access to opportunities: the pheromones help but you are tuning your own intention to achieve those same things. Perhaps the pheromones just oil the gears and make the journey to achievement that much smoother of a ride. They are not a magic pill, but I believe in concert with other personal growth efforts, it’s an impressive combination. I look forward to marking my one year anniversary with pheromones and looking back on my life to see what I have achieved. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/10 "2007-03-09T15:35:05Z")
What PheroQuirk and chirimoya said … ditto. If you work with pheros as a tool for personal growth, expanding your awareness, persona and repertoire of social skills with the aid of the subtle shifts of mood and mindset they trigger, you will soon not _need_ them to achieve much the same goals. You might enjoy the related discussion here: > [@Self conditioning of personality](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-conditioning-of-personality/2429): > > I theorize that pheromone use can be used to change ones personality with repetative use (ie long term use) This was brough about by the A314 meglomania post [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-megalomania/2408](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-megalomania/2408) It makes perfect sence to think that [pheromones](https://a314.com/) could slowly change you into the person you desire to be. I also think that the changes would self taylor themselves to each individual due to what that person would wear. If somebody is a little shy, they are probably going to wear more … ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/11 "2007-03-09T15:57:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Sigma, > what exactly did you miss about Androstenone’s positives? Was it say wearing all comfort/social pheromones, things were progressing well in a social direction but actual ‘arousal’ and ‘getting action’ were placed on the backburner for your targets - as in Androstenone seems to push the envelope sexually unlike anything else and without it, things seem to move in the ‘slow lane’ too much… or was it the way Androstenone seems to make things ‘edgier’ and a touch more aggressive in interactions… or was it both or is there more you can add… There’s a certain ‘kick’ to androstenone that was missing when I left it out of my mixes…even when I threw in some of the less abrasive ‘sexual’ pheromones such as TAA and P79. There was less sexual attention and reaction from the women around me…something I’ve grown accustomed to after long-term androstenone use apparantly. Long-term androstenone use certainly makes you ballsier than you might have been beforehand, and when I left it out and women didn’t seem to reciprocate as well as they usually do, it left something to be desired. Not to give all the credit to the pheromones, but things certainly seemed easier…‘smoother’…with androstenone thrown in. So yeah androstenone still plays a part to my mixes, although I will say that the amounts that I use now went down considerably after messing with none-less mixes. The missing ‘umph’ factor to androstenone wasn’t a significant loss to the mix really…as androstenol and TAA really are the most beneficial ingredients and the real base of the mix. Androstenone to me now is like a slight sexual edge, that plays on a very subtle level. When you start trying to bowl women over with high, overtly detectable doses of of androstenone, it becomes problematic. The more socially oriented (broad spectrum)pheromones work very well at putting you in an advantageous position…androstenone gives it a slight push in the ‘right direction’. Very different from my old mixing philosophies, which put androstenone at the front-end of the mix, and used socially oriented pheromones to merely ‘steer’ the androstenone effects. I’m still looking at alternatives to androstenone though, and I think we’ve really come a long way. P79 has proven its worth sexually. I can see some potential behind P83, but I can’t get the dosing right. P74 is showing a lot of promise though, and I’ve had two good nights in a row with it so far. I’m gonna experiment with it further this weekend ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/12 "2007-03-09T16:13:15Z")
well im crazy in the way that i believe the _way you carry yourself_ has a direct impact on your phermone output, so for me its not just wear phermones- get a reaction its wear phermones - get reaction -digest that and modify behaviourly- put out new and different ratio naturally. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/13 "2007-03-09T16:54:37Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > well im crazy in the way that i believe the _way you carry yourself_ has a direct impact on your phermone output, so for me its not just > > wear phermones- get a reaction > > its > > wear phermones - get reaction -digest that and modify behaviourly- put out new and different ratio naturally. Oh don’t get me wrong miss lor, you’re absolutely right in that aspect. The way you carry yourself equates to how you feel (or maybe you feel equates to how you carry yourself)…and how you feel could very well trigger changes in your natural pheromone output. This is the very reason why I think OD responses are highly accentuated when they put you in a foul mood, and why really good results are accentuated when they put you in a good mood. At times I find myself ‘checking myself’ when mixes veer off in the wrong direction…I sort of self-correct the pheromones through my demeanor. I’m not doubting that by making a conscious decision to make those changes we directly trigger changes in your natural phero signature. We can modulate our behavior to match or compensate for our synthetic pheromone signature, but in an ideal situation, there would have already been a perfect level of congruency between how we carry ourselves/how we appear, and the pheromone signature we impress upon people. Unfortunately these types of results are always eluding, and when they happen, they’re often hard to replicate. I’ve seen a greater degree of consistency nowadays, but there’s always room for improvement. What I search for in playing with mixes is a greater degree of efficiency. To me a mix has gone well when it seems to incorporate itself into your personality seamlessly…and things just seem to go your way with minimal effort. I think pheromones work at their best (and I’m kind of veering off topic here) when they project a strong phero-impression of who you really are, not who you _want_ to be. Its hard to put into words, but I’m sure all phero users know what its like when they’re ‘in the zone’…and awesome things happen simply by being who you are. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/14 "2007-03-09T16:58:17Z")
> [@](#): > > What I search for in playing with mixes is a greater degree of efficiency. To me a mix has gone well when it seems to incorporate itself into your personality seamlessly…and things just seem to go your way with minimal effort. I think pheromones work at their best (and I’m kind of veering off topic here) when they project a strong phero-impression of who you really are, not who you _want_ to be. Its hard to put into words, but I’m sure all phero users know what its like when they’re ‘in the zone’…and awesome things happen simply by being who you are. in a NUTSHELL thats how i explain charisma, exaggerated YOU. like if you could be YOU more… ---
**Author:** ![dolly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dolly/32/1591_2.png) [@dolly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dolly)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/15 "2007-03-09T17:06:18Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > in a NUTSHELL > > thats how i explain charisma, > > exaggerated YOU. > > like if you could be YOU more… PRECISELY…exactly why I love TAL sooooooo much…it is the exaggerated ME…😃 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/16 "2007-03-09T17:06:47Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > in a NUTSHELL > > thats how i explain charisma, > > exaggerated YOU. > > like if you could be YOU more… thats a good way of putting it, Lor. The important thing to note about charisma, is that its something that you could never fake. Like you said, charisma is YOU. Its something YOU own, not something that owns you. I think pheromones, to some extent, operate behind the same logic. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/17 "2007-03-09T19:41:37Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > in a NUTSHELL > > thats how i explain charisma, > > exaggerated YOU. > > like if you could be YOU more… I’m still trying to understand charisma. But part of it seems to be presence (can you have charisma without presence?) and presence seems to have to do with signal:noise ratio - no unnecessary movements and not reacting overly to what is going on around you. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/18 "2007-03-10T00:34:19Z")
I can’t claim any lofty personal growth, heightened perception or subtle shifts of mood or mindset from pheromones. I don’t feel any different. Of course my bread 'n butter as an artist lies in the realm of emotion, personal expression and sensitivity, so perhaps the floodgates were already open. However I can say daily use of pheromones during the past 4 years has made the social aspects of my life easier: smoother negotiations, increased cooperation and generally more friendly and respectful interactions. Basically I get what I need with less effort and time. It’s not like falling off a log–you still gotta work it–but fewer brick walls. It gives me more time and energy to focus on my art. And, yes, I’m a hardened androstenone user. Perhaps it’s some combination of my age, race and persona, but I have not experienced negatives to androstenone use. No body has ever tried to whip ma ass or run away in fear and the ladies love it. I probably produce little or no natural androstenone. My fav situation is using it in the car when I pickup a date. I spray on a mix of Burberry Weekend/NPA/A-1 just prior to picking them up. The tiny enclosed space and fresh pheromomes often drive her over the edge–almost as if intoxicated–and she wants it right then and there. At the least she’s all hot 'n bothered. Doesn’t work nearly as well in more open spaces such as offices or bars. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 4:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/19 "2007-03-10T04:40:33Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > There’s a certain ‘kick’ to androstenone that was missing when I left it out of my mixes…even when I threw in some of the less abrasive ‘sexual’ pheromones such as TAA and P79. There was less sexual attention and reaction from the women around me…something I’ve grown accustomed to after long-term androstenone use apparantly. Long-term androstenone use certainly makes you ballsier than you might have been beforehand, and when I left it out and women didn’t seem to reciprocate as well as they usually do, it left something to be desired. Not to give all the credit to the pheromones, but things certainly seemed easier…‘smoother’…with androstenone thrown in. > > So yeah androstenone still plays a part to my mixes, although I will say that the amounts that I use now went down considerably after messing with none-less mixes. The missing ‘umph’ factor to androstenone wasn’t a significant loss to the mix really…as androstenol and TAA really are the most beneficial ingredients and the real base of the mix. Androstenone to me now is like a slight sexual edge, that plays on a very subtle level. When you start trying to bowl women over with high, overtly detectable doses of of androstenone, it becomes problematic. The more socially oriented (broad spectrum)pheromones work very well at putting you in an advantageous position…androstenone gives it a slight push in the ‘right direction’. Very different from my old mixing philosophies, which put androstenone at the front-end of the mix, and used socially oriented pheromones to merely ‘steer’ the androstenone effects. > > I’m still looking at alternatives to androstenone though, and I think we’ve really come a long way. P79 has proven its worth sexually. I can see some potential behind P83, but I can’t get the dosing right. **P74 is showing a lot of promise though, and I’ve had two good nights in a row with it so far.** I’m gonna experiment with it further this weekend Sigma, I dont want to go offtopic but can you tell us some of your [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) results in detail sometime? Based on my reading of people’s results with this putative, I would not think it gives some of the sexual attention benefits that you attributed to Androstenone above. It sounds like it is a great add-on for partying and socialising but does it do something else as well that you can pinpoint? As far as charisma, yea I agree with Lor, it is in very simple terms ‘exaggerated YOU.’ But also I think it is the _better/best_ parts of you exaggerated which cause you to be dominant in some way whether it be over one person or a number of persons. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422/20 "2007-03-12T22:40:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Sigma, > I dont want to go offtopic but can you tell us some of your P74 results in detail sometime? Based on my reading of people’s results with this putative, I would not think it gives some of the sexual attention benefits that you attributed to Androstenone above. It sounds like it is a great add-on for partying and socialising but does it do something else as well that you can pinpoint? > > As far as charisma, yea I agree with Lor, it is in very simple terms ‘exaggerated YOU.’ But also I think it is the _better/best_ parts of you exaggerated which cause you to be dominant in some way whether it be over one person or a number of persons. I’m still playing with [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), but I went into my initially results with it over here: > [@P74 - Good for everything?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-good-for-everything/2469/3): > > I don’t have a whole lot of experience with P74, but I have been running a few trials with it (by itself and in mixes) > > Women seem a little…_addicted_ to me when I throw it into the mix. Thats the best way I can describe it. It seems to have the magnetism of TAL, but works better at creating sexual magnetism when used in conjunction with sexual type pheromones. To put it simple, it isn’t as girly as TAL, though P74 doesn’t seem to be the most masculine pheromone either. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-without-mones-not-that-great-as-with-a-rant/2422.md?page=2)