# Limited Effect from Pheros :( **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 27, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663 "2008-01-27T02:33:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Houseonthehill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Houseonthehill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Houseonthehill)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/1 "2008-01-27T02:33:09Z")
Hi there everyone! So I have been experimenting with Pheros for the last 3 weeks or so - Unfortunately to very limited sucess. I am not to sure what it was. I kind of feel that Ammo/[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), do have a slight affect on others, I notice people (girls) _slightly_ more flirty, talky, and laughing. I find essentially 0 effect from A314, I applied it in huge amounts (probably 10 drops) to my neck wrists etc, to see what an overdose would be like, and found no different results. I asked my friend who I work out with (keep in mind my body temperature is high, and we are pretty close to each other the entire time), if there was any difference, and he said no. Kind of confused, any suggestions for better success? ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/2 "2008-01-27T03:04:38Z")
> [@Houseonthehill](#): > > I kind of feel that Ammo/Instant Shine, do have a slight affect on others, I notice people (girls) _slightly_ more flirty, talky, and laughing. OK - so it sounds like you are getting some effects. These are some of the kinds of effects you would expect to see with these two products. Now that the girls are slightly more flirty, talky, laughing you have to step up with those great social skills of yours and take advantage of that extra boost. Remember - it is always 90% you, 10% [pheromones](https://a314.com/). As for the A314, 2-3 drops is all you need. You are not normally going to see big OD results with it like you would with TUTH. In fact the effects are subtle at first and build with time. But they only work if you ARE the warm alpha male that they make you out to be. You will read people writing about “congruency” - that is you have to exhibit the behaviors the products are portraying in otherwise people will not treat you accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/3 "2008-01-27T06:09:36Z")
I agree with bosshank, I think [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Shine is working for you. Maybe you’re expecting more from those two products than what they can actually do for you. Or maybe you still need to find that sweet spot to get that maximum effect. Try different application points, amounts, different mixes, etc. As for A314, the reactions from others won’t be “forward,” but trust me they do work on a long-term basis. At your age, I’d say stick with 2 drops as well. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/4 "2008-01-27T07:00:46Z")
> [@](#): > > So I have been experimenting with Pheros for the last 3 weeks or so - Unfortunately to very limited success. Do you realize Dr. SmellGood’s Pheros is a scent only product? It contains no pheromones whatsoever. Instead it uses fragrances derived from EOs and other natural ingredients, many of which are reputed to be aphrodisiacs. It’s a darn good cover for pheromones but pheromones it ain’t. On the other hand, your other products–Ammo, IS and A314–contain actual pheromones. I would consider reactions from passive wearing of pheromones to be subtle at best, somewhat similar to wearing a new shirt or hairdo. People that know you may notice something’s different about you but they may not bother to verbalize it unless it bites them on the ass. Now if you combine that subtle edge with behavior, words and appearance that complement your pheromone signature you’ll get obvious reactions. For example A314 helps impart a fatherly alpha vibe, a peaceful authority figure if you will. If you combine that pheromone signature with leadership status, confident body language, authoritative speech, etc., people will bow down and call you sir. Sit there like a lump on a log ‘n nuttin’ will ever happen even if you’re soaked in A314. It’s totally up to you to provide congruent behavior to match your alpha vibe. When the two come together it’s a powerful thing. A bottle of A314 is like having a million bucks in the bank. Unless you actually withdrawn it and spend it–invest, travel the world, etc.–it can do nothing for you. You might as well be a street bum. Likewise, success with pheromones requires a strong investment in congruent behavior. Learn to project the persona you desire the pheromones to reinforce and you’ll kick serious arse. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/5 "2008-01-27T07:02:08Z")
Pheromone effects can often be very subtle on their own. They’re effects are greatly multiplied when they are paired with congruent behavior from the wearer. You’re certainly on the right track, as the results you’ve seen are pretty consistent with AMMO…just run with the effects. People who know you well will not respond as readily to pheromones when you initially wear them. People you know have very strong, hard-wired conscious perceptions about you. Pheromones, which operate on a more unconscious level, take longer to permeate the perceptions of people who know you well. Also did you happen to try your pheromones in a gym setting? If so, gyms are flooded with natural pheromones wafting around the air. Its what gives gyms that ‘gym smell’ (smells like clean androstenone). Even an OD level of A314 could be drowned out in a gym setting. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/6 "2008-01-27T10:44:55Z")
I gotta agree with the guys here. Your getting the effects, you need to act on them now. pheromones are only going to enhance and influence and you need to take it the rest of the way. > [@](#): > > Do you realize Dr. SmellGood’s Pheros is a scent only product? It contains no pheromones whatsoever. I think he ment Pheromones not Pheros by Drsmellgood, the product. Now I am confused again LOL. I asked Drsmellgood this once and he told me Phero’s did have pheromones in it just not alot. Here is his post on whats in it… > [@Pheromones for depression](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-depression/5914/35): > > Thanks for your interest. Pheros contains trace amounts of many [pheromones](https://a314.com/) and copulins, as well as analog pheromones from essential oils, mammalian musks, and other natural substances. Although I’ve posted this information in many places over the years, always in the same way, it is often misunderstood. Pheros is also an aromatherapy product, with full aromatherapy benefits. All told, it has approximately 150 natural ingredients, any number of which (e.g., valerian root, jasmine, sandalwoo… Tisha ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/7 "2008-01-27T21:24:26Z")
> [@Houseonthehill](#): > > I notice people (girls) _slightly_ more flirty, talky, and laughing. when girls are 10% more flirty with you, they are 90% more willing. by the time her newly found attraction to you makes it out of her head and into her actions it has gone through a lot of processing and adjustment. any change for no apparent reason and i’d push that much harder. let’s say a girl has an opinion of you comprises of 10 parts. let’s say it was 6:4 in your favor before. let’s say her threshold in your case would have been 7:3. let’s say phero’s gave you that one extra point, only a 17% increase. after much adjustment to the social place and norm she could only show 10% more attraction outwards through a little more flirting. however, in reality you’ve just gone from night to day, the pitch black sky is now a clear and bright morning. attack. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/8 "2008-01-28T00:01:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Dr. SmellGood writes, “Pheros contains trace amounts of many pheromones and copulins, as well as analog pheromones from essential oils…” Thanks Tisha, now I’ll have to be dipped in honey and rolled in oats, Pheros does contain trace amounts of pheromones! I wonder if the trace amounts actually contribute anything noticeable to your pheromone signature? Most folks use Pheros as a cover for heavy doses of pheromones. The “analog pheromones” are interesting. I believe those are plant substances know to be similar to animal pheromones. For example, celery produces an “analog pheromone” similar to androsterone. I’ve tried repeatedly eating celery in front of women with zero results! I gave up on celery and switched to A314! ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/9 "2008-01-28T03:02:04Z")
Gegogi, how were you eating the celery? You cannot eat celery _passively_ in front of a woman and expect it to be effective. You must eat the celery _actively_ with a seductive, alpha air. Remember, it is 10% the celery, and 90% you. If you put a stalk of celery on a corpse… Kidding! Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Houseonthehill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Houseonthehill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Houseonthehill)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/10 "2008-01-28T03:08:59Z")
Well the one thing that is extremely evident about this group, is the amount of support. True pioneers trying to create something great here, I am a part of a number of different forums and have never had the amount of support that I have had here. Thank you. I will keep trying A314 out for the next couple of days and see how it works. Maybe try applying it to my hair? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/limited-effect-from-pheros/8663/11 "2008-01-28T03:40:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Gegogi, how were you eating the celery? You cannot eat celery passively in front of a woman and expect it to be effective. You must eat the celery actively with a seductive, alpha air. Remember, it is 10% the celery, and 90% you. If you put a stalk of celery on a corpse… Well, I was completely nekid and like the Rock 'o Gibraltar! I suspect the loud munching sound to be a turn-off, drying up her scared falls. Next time I’ll pre-blend the celery, drink it 'n smear it on my body.