# Liquid Lust holy grail mix: stunning results on two women in a single day **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 14, 2006, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420 "2006-06-14T04:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![jjjphero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jjjphero/32/2026_2.png) [@jjjphero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jjjphero)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/503 "2009-04-29T06:19:49Z")
Bring on the Monster!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ball.Saxbury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ball.saxbury/32/1063_2.png) [@Ball.Saxbury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ball.Saxbury)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/504 "2009-04-29T19:13:11Z")
I … I … I want to go there. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/505 "2009-04-29T19:57:34Z")
I’ll let you guys see for yourselves what I meant by “monster” when the MX test pack is released. It’s not far now. This first round of testing has been quite fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/506 "2009-04-29T20:45:28Z")
Catlord, I’m really, really confused as to what a pheromone ‘calculator’ is. I thought at first you just meant manually working out your own sweet spot for various molecules and recording them in an Excel spreadsheet or something, but you wouldn’t be able to do that to 3 decimal places, or calibrate it towards general users. So, if you don’t mind me asking, what is the calculator? I’m not after trade secrets, just curious what it is. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/507 "2009-04-29T21:08:18Z")
There’s a so called “pheromone calculator” over at [www.pherolibrary.com](http://www.pherolibrary.com), but the link is dead. So far they just have a spread sheet available. > [@WildFlower](#): > > Catlord, I’m really, really confused as to what a pheromone ‘calculator’ is. I thought at first you just meant manually working out your own sweet spot for various molecules and recording them in an Excel spreadsheet or something, but you wouldn’t be able to do that to 3 decimal places, or calibrate it towards general users. So, if you don’t mind me asking, what is the calculator? I’m not after trade secrets, just curious what it is. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/508 "2009-04-29T21:19:41Z")
Sorry, dont mean t hijack But, Catlord, I will be in the FT. Pierce/PSL area friday night. Can you recommend A good spot for [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) testing. Sorry, thank you, let the Liquid Lust conversation continue. ---
**Author:** ![txironhead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/txironhead/32/595_2.png) [@txironhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/txironhead)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/509 "2009-04-29T21:24:17Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > There’s a so called “pheromone calculator” over at [www.pherolibrary.com](http://www.pherolibrary.com), but the link is dead. So far they just have a spread sheet available. I still haven’t figured out the LS/Androtics connection. There’s a (four-year old) link for Alpha A314 at the LS site. What’s the difference between LS’s version and Androtics? So as to not totally hijack this thread, hurry up with the MX pack!😃 ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/510 "2009-04-29T21:26:59Z")
> [@txironhead](#): > > I still haven’t figured out the LS/Androtics connection. There’s a (four-year old) link for Alpha A314 at the LS site. What’s the difference between LS’s version and Androtics? [AD A314 Vs LS A314](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ad-a314-vs-ls-a314/25216) ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/511 "2009-04-29T21:29:21Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > There’s a so called “pheromone calculator” over at [www.pherolibrary.com](http://www.pherolibrary.com), but the link is dead. So far they just have a spread sheet available. I think I’ve seen or heard of something similar to that before, but I thought the purpose of the calculator was to help you make your own mixes. For example you want to mix: 4mcg of p74, 12mcg of p93, 3mcg of EST, 5mcg of TAL and 7mcg Bnol. And say, you’ve bought togo bottles of each at 12.5mcg per spray. I thought the idea of the pheromone calculator was to determine the correct ratio of each to create the desired mix. Obviously Catlords calculator is something different. Either that or I have a serious misunderstanding of these calculators. I’m just trying to get it clear in my head. BTW: I wouldn’t recommend anyone try that fictional mix, I’d bet it would be absolutely horrendous all that p93 and TAL. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/512 "2009-04-29T21:39:03Z")
Not sure WildFlower, but I’m also curious about the whole calculator thing. Could be a secret of the pheromone Gods, for us followers not to know (or at least not to know just yet.) He, he. > [@WildFlower](#): > > I think I’ve seen or heard of something similar to that before, but I thought the purpose of the calculator was to help you make your own mixes. For example you want to mix: 4mcg of p74, 12mcg of p93, 3mcg of EST, 5mcg of TAL and 7mcg Bnol. And say, you’ve bought togo bottles of each at 12.5mcg per spray. I thought the idea of the pheromone calculator was to determine the correct ratio of each to create the desired mix. Obviously Catlords calculator is something different. Either that or I have a serious misunderstanding of these calculators. I’m just trying to get it clear in my head. > > BTW: I wouldn’t recommend anyone try that fictional mix, I’d bet it would be absolutely horrendous all that p93 and TAL. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/513 "2009-04-29T21:50:40Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Not sure WildFlower, but I’m also curious about the whole calculator thing. Could be a secret of the pheromone Gods, for us followers not to know (or at least not to know just yet.) He, he. Should we start a calculator thread in the forum. Maybe the veterans can chime in and let us know. I just looked at that spreadsheet calculator, all I have to say is 😕😕😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/514 "2009-04-29T21:54:59Z")
too complicated would never work ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/515 "2009-04-29T21:58:36Z")
haha I’m very confused too. > [@](#): > > _Marty: Have you done any number crunches on P86?_ > Catlord: Yes. That came out suggesting around 10 mcg/spray for best results. You see, 10mcg of p86, isn’t the optimal dose for me personally. Far from. But it may well be for other people. I just can’t understand how something could predetermine relevant doses unless Catlord is inputting his sweet spot. Which would surely make it unique to him? Or is the calculator unique to the ‘Panty scorcher’ mix? i.e. 10mcg is the best dosage of p86 with relation to the other molecules within the mix. That spreadsheet calculator mikotorocks linked, also made me very confused, but I think it is what I was talking about before. A tool to convert mcg’s so you end up with the right ratio. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/516 "2009-04-29T22:00:45Z")
Ha, ha same here jesse. “Derrr, I dun now nophing!” - me. 😕 > [@jessejester](#): > > I just looked at that spreadsheet calculator, all I have to say is 😕😕😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/517 "2009-04-29T22:07:48Z")
Ha, ha I can just picture the pheromone Gods looking down on us laughing while saying: “These fools, they know nothing muahahahaha!” If catlord is going by his own “sweet spot” Wild I’m sure that it can’t be that, only because ones sweet spot is never great (or good enough) for someone else. Now balancing out a product right in the _middle_ where it can be seen as being good enough to work for a broad range of people is another story. A perfect _balance_ in other words, but how do we get to that perfect balance? My head hurts now… ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/518 "2009-04-29T22:13:51Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Or is the calculator unique to the ‘Panty scorcher’ mix? i.e. 10mcg is the best dosage of p86 with relation to the other molecules within the mix. Yes. That. Catlord knows his shit. Do not doubt the Rex Felis. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/519 "2009-04-29T22:22:21Z")
lol I’m not doubting anyone. I’m just both very intrigued and very confused. If the dosages the calculator, calculates are just unique to catlords MX then how come previous TAL dosages for men have been all wrong? A calculator that determines ‘a TAL dose should be no more than 1mcg for Catlords mix’ is something I can understand. But a maximum does of 1mcg TAL in general - whether right or wrong - is not something I can understand how a calculator could work out. The only thing I can think of is what Mikotorocks suggested, finding the middle ground of a Molecule that is a nice balance for most people. This would still have to be in relation to other molecules though. The pheromone Gods really must be laughing at me tonight. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/520 "2009-04-29T22:40:29Z")
Ha, ha at all of us Wild. We’re a bunch of ants under the pheromone God’s umbrella shading us from awesome pheromone knowledge! Ha, ha _j/k_. Finding the correct balance for everyone (and of a molecule) sounds pretty good, but as you mentioned Wild in relation to other molecules also comes into play. As _every_ little molecule works as their own buffer/s _buffering one another_, so _a lot_ of thinking and balancing of the molecules you have chosen for a mix comes into play to make sure one another does not drown out each other, but balances one another as an anchor to keep each molecule effect from being drowned in a sea of “noise.” So that’s why testing a product by itself first is always a good idea, so you can fuck around with its dosages until you find _your sweet spot_, and then work with that sweet spot when it comes to finally mixing it with other products/mixes/molecules. Fuck, that made my mind hurt ha, ha. > [@WildFlower](#): > > lol I’m not doubting anyone. I’m just both very intrigued and very confused. If the dosages the calculator, calculates are just unique to catlords MX then how come previous TAL dosages for men have been all wrong? A calculator that determines a TAL dose should be no more than 1mcg for Catlords mix is something I can understand. But a maximum does of 1mcg TAL in general - whether right or wrong - is not something I can understand how a calculator could work out. The only thing I can think of is what Mikotorocks suggested, finding the middle ground of a Molecule that is a nice balance for most people. This would still have to be in relation to other molecules though. The pheromone Gods really must be laughing at me tonight. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/521 "2009-04-29T22:53:52Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > Yes. That. > > Catlord knows his shit. Do not doubt the Rex Felis. 😃 Well if we are getting scientific then I guess we should listen to the Lilium Columbianum too 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420/522 "2009-04-29T22:56:53Z")
Exactly. MHarris’ view on TAL worn by men (and he really is the pheromone god lol) is that the mcg of the molecule should be less than the mcg of the masculine molecules in the mix. i.e. 5mcg none, 2.5mcg TAL, or 100mcg rone, 30mcg TAL, etc, etc. This conflicts with the ‘1mcg of TAL period’ calculation. MHarris recommended TAL to me as a way to combat any reserved-ness caused by the high none in MX292 (or other none products). My order should be here tomorrow and it’s a 2.5mcg bottle. I’m going to keep with small, half sprays at first because I know I’m dealing with a [female pheromone](https://phera.com/) which has the potential to turn me into an androgynous blob if too much is used, however I’m more inclined to believe that 1mcg would have a different effect when paired with various doses of none. Hence, there can be no universal ‘sweet spot’ for a molecule, because the combination of other molecules dramatically changes the dynamic. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420.md?page=25) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-lust-holy-grail-mix-stunning-results-on-two-women-in-a-single-day/420.md?page=27)